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In my case, the vertical lines remain constant most of the time. However, it continues playing with the correct images "underneath" the vertical lines. If you're saying that you see ONLY the vertical lines (and nothing else) once they occur, then it becomes more possible that we have different problems.
Yeah, the image I posted is all I see - a solid field of blue with vertical lines in it. Not a single pixel changed no matter what I did until I cycled power on the projector.
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This sounds somewhat different than what I've been seeing. As I said above, the video can be seen playing "underneath" and everything else (including the remote) still works, so I don't think it is a sync issue. But it's not completely clear whether we have one common issue or two separate ones.
Interesting. I couldn't see any actual content 'underneath' the blue lines and patterns, and in the situation I'm talking about, there is nothing 'underneath' - just a pattern of lines, colors, etc.

I'll be following this to see what is causing this.

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Are there some common out of the box settings for the NX series that people are changing? Granted there will be custom variations based on the source, room and screen. I'm just trying to get a good baseline.
What Picture Mode, Color Profile and Gamma mode, MPC settings are you all using for TV content and 4k HDR player content?
Has anyone compared the scaling capability of this projector against their pre or a stand alone scaler like the DVDO?
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It seems all grey n doom from all the comments so far. Is the N series really so bad in terms of PQ or just some bugs that needs to be fixed?
That is always the case on AVS in almost all display devise threads ? There are more then a few guys loving there units. Not to mention guys out there who buy and do not post
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How do you enable IP control by a PC on these projectors? It looks like the networks is set up but I can't communicate with the projector. Thanks
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Are there some common out of the box settings for the NX series that people are changing? Granted there will be custom variations based on the source, room and screen. I'm just trying to get a good baseline.

What Picture Mode, Color Profile and Gamma mode, MPC settings are you all using for TV content and 4k HDR player content?

Has anyone compared the scaling capability of this projector against their pre or a stand alone scaler like the DVDO?


I would be curious to hear from others as well


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How do you enable IP control by a PC on these projectors? It looks like the networks is set up but I can't communicate with the projector. Thanks
Menu - Function - Network

IP control does require a special protocol. You can't just send commands like you can via RS-232. See Manual pg 72 and following.
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IP control does require a special protocol. You can't just send commands like you can via RS-232. See Manual pg 72 and following.
Yeah I looked at that and have no idea what a '3 way handshake' is or how to perform it. Sounds like a good time though
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It seems all grey n doom from all the comments so far. Is the N series really so bad in terms of PQ or just some bugs that needs to be fixed?

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Usually this is how the forum works. Only complaints majority of times. However, there is often times when we attempt to talk about things that can improve the projector, like MadVR, but it is viewed with criticism. I enjoy reading about other components and devices to improve our projector performance, rather than complaints.
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My dealer received my NX7 today and will be installing it on Thursday.

Keeping my fingers crossed it traveled securely.
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It seems all grey n doom from all the comments so far. Is the N series really so bad in terms of PQ or just some bugs that needs to be fixed?

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Picture quality is really good on the new JVC's. Most of the issues seem to be related to delivery.
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My Credit Card just got hit, rs2000 on the way. Awaiting tracking info. Praying for safe delivery! I opted for delivery from dealer as oppose to direct from distributer. Hopefully extra wait and double box will be worth it!
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Between the unplanned delays, S L O W production rollout, reported "issues" and "damaged during shipping" complaints/problems, so far, it has been a... fill in the blank.

You want an answer; simply read through the entire thread and make two lists.

Place all of the positive owner and review reports on one side, and all of the negative reports on the other side and then draw your own conclusions.
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Between the unplanned delays, S L O W production rollout, reported "issues" and "damaged during shipping" complaints/problems, so far, it has been a... fill in the blank.

You want an answer; simply read through the entire thread and make two lists.

Place all of the positive owner and review reports on one side, and all of the negative reports on the other side and then draw your own conclusions.
This is a very very very terrible way to approach "reviews" (what we have here are people commenting and pointing out things) on any item, especially electronics.
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So, 4K and HDR is working fine on my Xbox One S. 4K/3D are intermittent at best (mostly not working) with my Zappiti. New cables are here today, but it seems the Zappiti has had an issue going back to before I even tried to do 4K or HDR. Never could get 3D to work, and that seems to be a bandwidth issue since when it does manage to do 4K (without HDR), the 3D kicks in as well. Other devices always handled 3D okay. The Xbox One handles 4K/HDR okay. Not sure why the Zappiti struggles so much.

At least when I did finally try a physical 4K UHD disc in the XBox One it looked outstanding. Far and away the best picture I've ever seen on my screen.


Side note, I did notice the yellowing people mentioned. Accidently, left it on the HDR setting (was trying to force HDR to the Zappiti to see if it would help somehow) and went to Netflix. Netflix has a flash screen that is all white with the red logo. Before that screen it goes all black, and when the flash screen comes up, it was yellow for the briefest of moments. Noticed the same occurrence with some text.

I didn't notice this at any other time, because I haven't adjusted any other settings, so it's usually set to manual instead of auto 1 or auto 2.

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This is a very very very terrible way to approach "reviews" (what we have here are people commenting and pointing out things) on any item, especially electronics.
No, it's simple statistics based upon the information reported to date by owners and reviewers.
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rwestley posted this new nx5 review on the other 2019 projector thread.

http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...is-de-gregory/

Some observations:

The lag test seems wrong/broken, no way we are getting 7.5ms input lag (god I wish)
P3 seems lower than expected at 82%
Lumen output seems great (might be a bad thing for people with small screens)
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No, it's simple statistics based upon the information reported to date by owners and reviewers.
No, it's not simple statistics. Among other things, it's a small population of owners, who have particular idiosyncrasies to some extent, and generally those who have issues are more likely to report them, and to report them over and over as they seek solutions. Reading experiences of others with the new projectors is indeed informative, but the notion that one can count up the "positive" threads and count up the "negative" threads in order to determine whether it makes sense to purchase one of the new units is just silly.
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No, it's not simple statistics. Among other things, it's a small population of owners, who have particular idiosyncrasies to some extent, and generally those who have issues are more likely to report them, and to report them over and over as they seek solutions. Reading experiences of others with the new projectors is indeed informative, but the notion that one can count up the "positive" threads and count up the "negative" threads in order to determine whether it makes sense to purchase one of the new units is just silly.
Correct. The reported problems outside of AVSF have been much much smaller. Believe me, I am hearing from JVC that the AVSF numbers are ridiculously high compared to the rest of the US.
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Correct. The reported problems outside of AVSF have been much much smaller. Believe me, I am hearing from JVC that the AVSF numbers are ridiculously high compared to the rest of the US.
An educated buyer can indeed be problematic!
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Does anyone know where I can get test patterns used in linked review? I'm looking for 4k patterns I can view through my Panasonic 820, either disc or USB drive.
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No, it's simple statistics based upon the information reported to date by owners and reviewers.

The problem is you're not really gathering proper statistics. You are basing your opinion on what you seem to be reading on the forums. The problem with such an approach is simple...


1. Forums are generally a place to post issues and hopefully find resolutions. When most people buy something, they don't go onto forums and post about their experience. It's mostly when they experience issues that they start looking for answers on the internet and make their way to the forums.
2. There will be many many more people that are buying these projectors worldwide than just the individuals posting on these forums.


Every product will have their flaws.


When I was planning to buy a Mercedes, I was all over the Mercedes forums digging up as much information as I could on the model I was interested in. The situation is the same in that world. Very rarely do people post their good experiences with the cars. It's mostly issues and resolutions. After all the research and negative posts, I still went and purchased my Mercedes. I love the car, works fantastic, haven't had any of the issues posted online. Does that mean it may not happen? No, but you need to take everything you read with a grain of salt and enjoy the product you buy.


Just my .02 cents.
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No, it's simple statistics based upon the information reported to date by owners and reviewers.
Unfortunately, as others have pointed out - you can't take this approach as the data will have a bias towards people with issues (otherwise they'll be sailing off into the sunset - or at least their film will).

The data you can use, albeit a much smaller subset and not really sufficient to draw conclusions from - is comments from people who were already posting before they got their projector, and promised to give their feedback. Those are not victim of the same bias - the data should be objective and usable.

We clearly can't draw any conclusions from this limited volume of people. That being said, it does feel like there are a couple of gremlins being sorted out, when you put all the pieces together. I'm sure it's not unusual and it'll settle down.

I just want to see the damn things
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Place all of the positive owner and review reports on one side, and all of the negative reports on the other side and then draw your own conclusions.
Better yet, find someone within two hundred miles with a new generation JVC and road trip to watch any number of jaw dropping movies on it and then decide. I stopped counting the number of projectors I have owned 10 years ago; from my first CRT projector in circa 1999 to DLP, to an RS1, to Sony 4k and JVC e-shift machines. For my money, best value and best image hands down is JVC. If you get one with problems, replace it. It is worth the hassle.

Find a way to see for yourself so that you are not influenced by guys like me who love theirs, and self-anointed critics who don't own one, and those that have an axe to grind with JVC.

The interweb chatter blows everything out of proportion.
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Does anyone know where I can get test patterns used in linked review? I'm looking for 4k patterns I can view through my Panasonic 820, either disc or USB drive.

These are good - https://www.diversifiedvideosolution...uhdhdr-10.html
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That is always the case on AVS in almost all display devise threads ? There are more then a few guys loving there units. Not to mention guys out there who buy and do not post
Both your last two statements are true. However, as someone else posted on here, while there are probably many owners who have problem free units and are not on these forums, there may also be many who have units with problems from minor glitches to DOA. We just don't know, so unless JVC is forthcoming it's impossible to know whether this generation will be considered truly problematic or not.
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rwestley posted this new nx5 review on the other 2019 projector thread.

http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...is-de-gregory/

Some observations:

The lag test seems wrong/broken, no way we are getting 7.5ms input lag (god I wish)
P3 seems lower than expected at 82%
Lumen output seems great (might be a bad thing for people with small screens)
How does one get a a translation of this review?
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How does one get a a translation of this review?
Google Chrome browser usually translates stuff for me. Or you can put the URL into google translate in another web browser.
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My RS2000 arrived last Tuesday, while I was out of town. I spent Saturday building a new shelf for it, and swapping out my screen material for ScreenAcoustics V6. I spent Saturday night and most of Sunday just enjoying it--watching movies and reference scenes.

Mine is flawless--no issues at all, and a really stunning upgrade over my old Epson 8500UB. It's exactly what I was hoping for. It takes longer to start up, and longer to sync when switching modes, but I knew that going in, and the delays are still not objectionable. From my seating position, I can hear the filter moving, but I can't hear the iris or the fan. I don't have any purple donuts, red stripes, yellow letters, green clovers, or blue diamonds.

Since I don't have any issues, I wouldn't be posting at all, except that the usual suspects are still here providing senseless commentary and predictions of doom about a projector they don't own, and I thought it was worthwhile to make the point that there ARE satisfied owners--you just don't hear from them for the most part.
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The reported problems outside of AVSF have been much much smaller. Believe me, I am hearing from JVC that the AVSF numbers are ridiculously high compared to the rest of the US.
To paraphrase The Three Stooges, "We resemble that remark."
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