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post #6781 of 15177 Old 02-26-2019, 05:39 AM
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Was high lamp also in high altitude mode, since you are in CO?
Yes but the fan is quiet in high altitude and low.

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or spend around $150+ if you want a better one, but the better ones probably wont do that much better reading high lumens numbers anyhow.
The error margins are high in the lower numbers, not the higher numbers (for the most part).
Keep in mind, Jav's bought a cheap meter, thinking it would be close. Once it was actually profiled against a good calibrated meter, he found his cheap meter was off over 30% on the low side. You just do not know what you have with the cheap meters, unless you can profile them against a calibrated meter.
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I read a little while back on this forum about the slow startup times of the new series PJ's. I knew my NX7 was taking its time cranking up. I timed my startup time this morning to see exactly how long it takes. 6 minutes, 10 seconds until the D-ILA logo pops up. Firmware v1.20. Did this problem ever get resolved with original posters?
Next firmware should solve this.
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rwestley posted this new nx5 review on the other 2019 projector thread.

http://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blog...is-de-gregory/

Some observations:

The lag test seems wrong/broken, no way we are getting 7.5ms input lag (god I wish)
P3 seems lower than expected at 82%
Lumen output seems great (might be a bad thing for people with small screens)
Yea, 7.5ms lag would be a world record for projectors wouldn't it?

So the biggest problem with the new series of projectors seems to be fan noise on high lamp. I'm inclined to move the projector to the back of my theater on a shelf which would probably extend it 8-10 ft from where it would be anyway. I think I already have to move it further back from where my AE7000 is because I replaced the screen with a 135" 16x9 (from a 120") and it's too close, but I don't want to do anything until my RS2000 gets here. What is the throw range? Isn't there a calculator page somewhere?
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Yes but the fan is quiet in high altitude and low.
For me the projector is inaudible at low lamp with HA off and HA takes it over the audibility threshold. Also high altitude makes the high lamp fan even louder. High lamp may be a bit less objectionable to people who don't need to run HA mode.

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Next firmware should solve this.
Any idea why some projectors are only taking a minute and some are taking several minutes when they are running the same firmware?
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Other posters have noted times between 1 and 2 minutes. 6 minutes seems rather excessive.
6 mins!!!!! That's unacceptable!

My JVC N7 boot-up takes about 38 secs only!
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Still no projectors in Chicago, really!!
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Next firmware should solve this.

Man I hope so! Thanks Mike.
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I am sure one of the models are there. You looking to demo a unit in a store or residence I take it?
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markman, since there are a number of people on this thread who have asked for information and help using madvr dynamic tone mapping, what do you think we start a new thread sharing our thoughts and settings for madvr and madvr tone mapping using the new JVCs? There are a few on here that dont seem to want madvr talk taking up space, and the "4K build an HTPC" thread sometimes gets bogged down with other related talk....

The problem with many of the HTPC/madvr threads is most who use them dont use projectors, as you know the settings are very different for a projector. I think if there was a thread say, "Madvr/Madvr Tone Mapping with JVC NX Proj Set-Up", would be a great help for those with projectors who are new to madvr, Im happy to help....

Unless there is such a thread already for madvr/projs but Ive never seen one. I subscribe to all the related ones here and on other forums, but never seen one for projs.... If its not you maybe someone else may start something, it cant be me even though I have used madvr for years and years with JVCs Im still not qaulified enough to take the lead....

I was starting to document my MadVR HTPC build for the NX7. I am happy to compile the wisdom I glean from you fine folks on to that thread

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I'm hoping the next firmware will also address the yellowness issue with the soft focus as well. It finally drove me nuts to the point of turning off DI and using manual for now.
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Yea, 7.5ms lag would be a world record for projectors wouldn't it?
That would be better than many 4K gaming monitors so it's hard to believe, where is the 4K Leo Bodnar....

I don't even know what would be realistic number, probably in the 20s. Hard to follow such a long thread but probably it's under 30ms
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That would be better than many 4K gaming monitors so it's hard to believe, where is the 4K Leo Bodnar....

I don't even know what would be realistic number, probably in the 20s. Hard to follow such a long thread but probably it's under 30ms
We don't yet have a 4k measurement but I believe the measured 1080p lag is 42ms. 4k may be faster but I don't think we've seen a credible measurement for that yet.
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I read a little while back on this forum about the slow startup times of the new series PJ's. I knew my NX7 was taking its time cranking up. I timed my startup time this morning to see exactly how long it takes. 6 minutes, 10 seconds until the D-ILA logo pops up. Firmware v1.20. Did this problem ever get resolved with original posters?
How did this ever get released for shipment with a 6-minute lag time?

It's not like that would pass any version of beta testing, would it?

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Is your manual aperture fully closed or open?

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What do you get when the BT2020 filter is not in place and you are using high lamp with manual iris fully open?
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This does not sound good. I think if it were me, I would disengage the color filter and reclaim the lumens. The color filter takes a big chunk of light like 25%. You can hear the filter spin into place. It sounds like a servo motor run for a moment.

The aperture was fully open (setting 0) and in manual mode, I have changed to Auto 2. The lamp power is high in picture mode HDR10, color profile HDR, color temp HDR10 and gamma HDR(PQ). I have attached some pics of BT2020 versus HDR (no color filter, yes I hear the noise), as well as a suggested gamma curve (Custom2) and the HDR(PQ) with picture mode +5 for tone mapping to make it a bit brighter. Do these look okay? I am just worried I have a defective unit if the lumens is too low, is this possible?


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$20
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https://www.amazon.com/Dr-Meter-LX13...gateway&sr=8-2

or spend around $150+ if you want a better one, but the better ones probably wont do that much better reading high lumens numbers anyhow.
The error margins are high in the lower numbers, not the higher numbers (for the most part).
Thanks, just ordered one.
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How did this ever get released for shipment with a 6-minute lag time?

It's not like that would pass any version of beta testing, would it?
Well, my NX7 doesn't take nearly that long...maybe 45 secs (I haven't actually timed it). I suspect it has to do with how long the HDMI handshakes take. That depends on cables and attached devices.

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We don't yet have a 4k measurement but I believe the measured 1080p lag is 42ms. 4k may be faster but I don't think we've seen a credible measurement for that yet.
I recall JVC touting 37ms at the last CEDIA which is like 10ms slower than the X series. They would've been shouting 7.5ms from the mountaintops if that were the case.
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Well, my NX7 doesn't take nearly that long...maybe 45 secs (I haven't actually timed it). I suspect it has to do with how long the HDMI handshakes take. That depends on cables and attached devices.
No, it's not an HDMI handshake issue. The startup time variations we're seeing are just to show the D-ILA logo which is before any HDMI handshake is attempted. It'll take just as long with the HDMI unplugged.
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No, it's not an HDMI handshake issue. The startup time variations we're seeing are just to show the D-ILA logo which is before any HDMI handshake is attempted. It'll take just as long with the HDMI unplugged.
Well, mine doesn't have that problem...and are you certain that there isn't something in the environment causing it? Mine has NEVER taken that long to show the D-ILA logo.

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You need to send a PJREQ command either before each command, or as part of an entrance/repeat. I simply stack PJREQ before each command, otherwise it closes the menu if you send it regularly.
Is there a hex representation of PJREQ or anything, or is the data just "PJREQ"? I added the PJREQ command that was with the iRule codes I downloaded to all of my buttons (in the first position) and it did not work. Do you use the "Network" or "HTTP" Gateway type? When I try the Network type and use TCP, that connection shows as red on the app. When I use HTTP, it's green, but the commands still don't work.

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I read a little while back on this forum about the slow startup times of the new series PJ's. I knew my NX7 was taking its time cranking up. I timed my startup time this morning to see exactly how long it takes. 6 minutes, 10 seconds until the D-ILA logo pops up. Firmware v1.20. Did this problem ever get resolved with original posters?
My RS3000 doesn’t even take a 1/3 of that time, however I’m still using 1.17. I’ve never timed it. I would imagine less than a minute.
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My RS3000 doesn’t even take a 1/3 of that time, however I’m still using 1.17. I’ve never timed it. I would imagine less than a minute.
I'm still on 1.17 firmware as well.

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Well, my NX7 doesn't take nearly that long...maybe 45 secs (I haven't actually timed it). I suspect it has to do with how long the HDMI handshakes take. That depends on cables and attached devices.
This NX7 is my replacement unit following the ‘ol purple doughnut caper. That unit started up in no more than 2 minutes I recall. Same cable, Ruipro HDMI Fiber cable 40 feet. Just don’t get how someone with same 1.20 firmware has a startup time of 1 to 2 minutes and my unit goes past 6 minutes. I hope Mike is correct about this being cleared up with next firmware.
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Is there a hex representation of PJREQ or anything, or is the data just "PJREQ"? I added the PJREQ command that was with the iRule codes I downloaded to all of my buttons (in the first position) and it did not work. Do you use the "Network" or "HTTP" Gateway type? When I try the Network type and use TCP, that connection shows as red on the app. When I use HTTP, it's green, but the commands still don't work.
Just PJREQ in data.

The gateway is network, IP address of the projector (make sure it's fixed or reserve the address for the PJ in the router if you use DHCP).

Port is 20554

Protocol is TCP
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On your PC, open a command prompt (hit windows key, type command, click the black icon) and type "ping 192.168.1.1" where "192.168.1.1" is your projector's IP address. Replace the 192.168.1.1 with your projector's actual IP address. If you cannot ping the projector then it's a network issue you need to fix.



If you can ping the projector and get responses, then you can use my jvccontrol package that I already linked in other responses to test the projector IP stuff.


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Well, mine doesn't have that problem...and are you certain that there isn't something in the environment causing it? Mine has NEVER taken that long to show the D-ILA logo.
Nothing in my Setup has changed between my first NX7 and this one. Swapped out swapped in.
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Keep in mind, Jav's bought a cheap meter, thinking it would be close. Once it was actually profiled against a good calibrated meter, he found his cheap meter was off over 30% on the low side. You just do not know what you have with the cheap meters, unless you can profile them against a calibrated meter.
My three year old Dr Meter reads about 30% higher than my new Sper with the NIST certificate too. However, at Kris' place it read 15.7fL with a 100% IRE pattern and so either extremely close to what I thought was a 16fL calibration or 33% under if he was at the 24fL max he could calibrate the Sony 995 too. So I don't know what to believe, but it seems the Sper is way out no matter what. The measurements I get from that indicate I'm getting just 1040 lumens calibrated on my RS3000 in low lamp. The Dr Meter look "correct". I'll have to see if I can test them against a Minolta.
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This NX7 is my replacement unit following the ‘ol purple doughnut caper. That unit started up in no more than 2 minutes I recall. Same cable, Ruipro HDMI Fiber cable 40 feet. Just don’t get how someone with same 1.20 firmware has a startup time of 1 to 2 minutes and my unit goes past 6 minutes. I hope Mike is correct about this being cleared up with next firmware.
Unplug your Ruipro HDMI Fiber cable and time the projector startup. Some fiber optic cables take a lot of voltage from the HDMI port to the point that could cause the device to crash. This was the case with the Emotiva XMC-1 New V3 HDMI Board and some fiber optic cables.
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My RS3000 doesn’t even take a 1/3 of that time, however I’m still using 1.17. I’ve never timed it. I would imagine less than a minute.
The 1.17 firmware booted much faster and HDMI sync times were about half of what they are under 1.20. I had two identical projectors, one running 1.17 and one running 1.2. Mike Garrett has mentioned that this problem will be fixed with the next firmware update.

Hopefully, the yellowing of white text on black backgrounds by the DI will also be addressed.
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