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I just want to chime in also, considering the latest pages not so positive posts. My replacement N7 is perfect. No convergence adjustment needed at all, focus uniform, no bright corners and no noisy DI. Clocked the startup time yesterday at about 50 seconds. I have about 80 hours on it now and am still amazed at the image. Both SDR and HDR. However I do not use tonemapping at all but run a set gamma instead. I feel the picture gets a bit dull and washed out using tone mapping. I like a punchy image. Maybe I will try messing with the brightness level to counter and see how it looks. Used to run manual aperture 0 and Auto1, but switched to Auto2 which seems to bring a little more contrast.
I think yours is the experience everyone will be having once they get the new-model kinks worked out.

Better resolution than ever, but with lesser black levels compared to previous JVC players.

Tone mapping best handled by a Panasonic player or a MadVR-like component.

Native 4K with no e-shift needed anymore.
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Received my rs2000 yesterday. It was sent from dealer double boxed with foam peanuts between 2 boxes. QC tape on projector box. Only have about an hour of usage but so far.. Wow! I am coming from a Sony HW55ES. I have no weird noises or purple donuts. I had to move both red and blue one click. At first I could not get a 4k signal to projector but then realized I had a second non 4k monitor hooked up to receiver so it would not send the signal. Once I disconnected the second monitor it worked as advertised.
Hmm...I wonder if that has contributed to my issues at all. I do still have my old projector connected to my receiver on a 2nd output, however it is always off. Was your 2nd monitor on?

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My post pg. 107 / 2192 – First single-boxed RS3000 arrived Jan 24 freight damaged with misaligned panel.

My post pg. 197 / 5890 ¬– Second double-boxed RS3000 arrived Feb 10 in perfect condition.
Out of the box with no adjustments, other than simple Lens Control for Focus-Zoom-Adjust to my Screen Innovations Slate 1.2 16:9 screen, projected image was outstanding – bright, detailed, colorful vibrant though a little bit of color “push”.


Chad B arrived yesterday to conduct a 5-hour calibration. This was Chad’s third RS3000 calibration. After Chad departed to his hotel about 10:00 pm, I had intended to view only a few minutes of his work before going to bed. But I couldn’t! About 3 hours later, I finally pulled myself away! Everything seemed substantially better – especially rendition of colors! Can't say enough about the quality of Chad's work. He even indulged me by answering a gazillion questions the next day during his long drive back to Ohio.

Attached are pages of Chad B’s charts of Before and After Calibration from just one of several custom Picture Modes he set up. (provided with Chad B's permission).
cargen,

So we are somewhat neighbors ............
I'm in Franklin, TN. maybe like 20 minutes from Brentwood.
I also had Chad B. do the custom calibrations to my complete Audio as well as the JVC RS4500 laser projector.
He is without doubt a professional.

Enjoy your New JVC RS3000 projector buddy.



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Hmm...I wonder if that has contributed to my issues at all. I do still have my old projector connected to my receiver on a 2nd output, however it is always off. Was your 2nd monitor on?
No that monitor was off
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Hmm...I wonder if that has contributed to my issues at all. I do still have my old projector connected to my receiver on a 2nd output, however it is always off. Was your 2nd monitor on?
If you have a non 4K display connected to the AVR, then you will not be able to send 4K to the new projector, even if the other display is in stand by.
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Trouble is, there are far to many "BUM UNITS!"
Less of a problem in the USA, since JVC USA does a quality control check of them in Long Beach. The real problems here involve UPS trashing them in transit.
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My post pg. 107 / 2192 – First single-boxed RS3000 arrived Jan 24 freight damaged with misaligned panel.

My post pg. 197 / 5890 ¬– Second double-boxed RS3000 arrived Feb 10 in perfect condition.
Out of the box with no adjustments, other than simple Lens Control for Focus-Zoom-Adjust to my Screen Innovations Slate 1.2 16:9 screen, projected image was outstanding – bright, detailed, colorful vibrant though a little bit of color “push”.


Chad B arrived yesterday to conduct a 5-hour calibration. This was Chad’s third RS3000 calibration. After Chad departed to his hotel about 10:00 pm, I had intended to view only a few minutes of his work before going to bed. But I couldn’t! About 3 hours later, I finally pulled myself away! Everything seemed substantially better – especially rendition of colors! Can't say enough about the quality of Chad's work. He even indulged me by answering a gazillion questions the next day during his long drive back to Ohio.

Attached are pages of Chad B’s charts of Before and After Calibration from just one of several custom Picture Modes he set up. (provided with Chad B's permission).
The guy is a JVC wizard! Enjoy the killer picture - I am still amazed at his work 14 months later !!
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Expecting delivery on N7 late today or tomorrow –
Looking for decent starting settings from current users.
There is some information on recommended settings on the first page of this thread.

P.S. My NX7 is supposed to arrive later today.

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I'm in Franklin, TN. maybe like 20 minutes from Brentwood.

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Didn't know you are in Franklin, TN. One of my favorites towns in the USA. I really miss the Vanilla Milkshake from Puckett's

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Didn't know you are in Franklin, TN. One of my favorites towns in the USA. I really miss the Vanilla Milkshake from Puckett's




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My post pg. 107 / 2192 – First single-boxed RS3000 arrived Jan 24 freight damaged with misaligned panel.

My post pg. 197 / 5890 ¬– Second double-boxed RS3000 arrived Feb 10 in perfect condition.
Out of the box with no adjustments, other than simple Lens Control for Focus-Zoom-Adjust to my Screen Innovations Slate 1.2 16:9 screen, projected image was outstanding – bright, detailed, colorful vibrant though a little bit of color “push”.


Chad B arrived yesterday to conduct a 5-hour calibration. This was Chad’s third RS3000 calibration. After Chad departed to his hotel about 10:00 pm, I had intended to view only a few minutes of his work before going to bed. But I couldn’t! About 3 hours later, I finally pulled myself away! Everything seemed substantially better – especially rendition of colors! Can't say enough about the quality of Chad's work. He even indulged me by answering a gazillion questions the next day during his long drive back to Ohio.

Attached are pages of Chad B’s charts of Before and After Calibration from just one of several custom Picture Modes he set up. (provided with Chad B's permission).
Can i ask how much he charged for calib.
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Can i ask how much he charged for calib.
Such depends somewhat on what is being calibrated and if you've had previous calibrations by Chad B in the past (he calibrated my prior RS-600). Because I'm in the hotel business and early in my career lived off service gratuities, I add on top - but of course such is not required or encouraged by Chad B. but certainly accepted.

Fee schedule and more is all on his website here: http://www.hdtvbychadb.com

IMO, Chad B.'s fees are extremely reasonable.

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You think so ? We have had grand total of what 3 units for entire Australia, I think one in new zealand ?
I was speaking of the USA only, I was trying to say they seemed to be flowing better then before. Anything is better then the zero everyone had for some time

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halp... Ok, my Nx7 with HTPC running madvr with mpc-be and a denon avr. Cables are all certified and short. Projector sits 22.6 feet on a Draper 183" 1.5 gain screen. I'm currently on madvr 60 build and have tried most setting combo's recommendations that I have found. Another biggie is I for the life of me cant get the em2 emitter to do anything. I'm hoping someone with the 7 and a large higher gain screen running madvr would share with me some guidance. Also I'm hoping to get Chadb to calibrate for me at some point. so I've got that going for me.
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Seems like units are flowing pretty good now, except for the NX9 / RS3000. In the USA anyway.......
"Pretty good" is a slight overstatement. They are still coming in onesies-twosies to most dealers...

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Yep, I'm still waiting for my NX7 replacement to arrive at my dealer. They still have no idea/estimate of when that will happen.

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You think so ? We have had grand total of what 3 units for entire Australia, I think one in newzealand ?
I was told by Kenwood there were only two NX9s that went into Australia, both came to NZ and I have one of them, the other went to Christchurch. The only other one was the pre production one in Australia that went to woofer...They are still like hens teeth in the Southern Hemisphere, I really dont know why the shortage world wide, it was never this way that i remember with past models
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I know it’s off topic, but given how many people said they’d be interested in madVRs dynamic tone mapping if it was available as a separate device for HDMI streams, it looks like it is happening.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post57673062

No real details yet but looks like something should be coming soon.
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I know it’s off topic, but given how many people said they’d be interested in madVRs dynamic tone mapping if it was available as a separate device for HDMI streams, it looks like it is happening.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post57673062

No real details yet but looks like something should be coming soon.
Oh, wow. That would be incredible!
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Oh, wow. That would be incredible!
Just a heads up there is an anticipation thread for it here now:

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Received my rs2000 yesterday. It was sent from dealer double boxed with foam peanuts between 2 boxes. QC tape on projector box. Only have about an hour of usage but so far.. Wow! I am coming from a Sony HW55ES. I have no weird noises or purple donuts. I had to move both red and blue one click. At first I could not get a 4k signal to projector but then realized I had a second non 4k monitor hooked up to receiver so it would not send the signal. Once I disconnected the second monitor it worked as advertised.

I did notice that it will automatically go to HDR when given that signal but then if I change back over to regular cable TV it does not change back, Is this normal?
Can't wait to get more time under my belt.

Also I forget -
clear motion drive? on or off?
Low latency on or off?
there was another ??

Anyway, I am very happy, so far it's a great projector!!!

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Do you know what they added in firmware 1.21 from 1.20?
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I know it’s off topic, but given how many people said they’d be interested in madVRs dynamic tone mapping if it was available as a separate device for HDMI streams, it looks like it is happening.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post57673062

No real details yet but looks like something should be coming soon.
I signed up. At the rate things are going I might even see an Envy before I see my RS2000, lol.
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Received my RS2000 this afternoon, double boxed from Chris of Cleveland Plasma. Thanks for the double boxing, Chris.

The unit had been QC'ed by JVC. No holes in the box or styrofoam. Some slight denting on the corners of the outer box, but nothing unusual for a package going across country and being handled several times. So it doesn't appear any obvious shipping issues.

The unit powered up nicely and the picture is very good right out of the box. I watched a few 1080p movie scenes, as I don't have my 4k HDMI cables and stuff set up. I've still got to fiddle with a number of settings, so this was just a check to make sure everything was working and nothing was funky. Everything looks good so far, and the image got noticeably better as the bulb warmed up and settled in.

I did check the convergence after about 45 minutes. It is spot on, both horizontally and vertically all across the screen, and I didn't see any other obvious issues, although I haven't put up any gray or colored fields yet.

Software version is 1.20.

It's going to take me a couple of days to adjust some things and figure out the correct aperture settings with my High Power screen. But I did set it on Auto 2 for a while and couldn't see any issues or hear the iris moving.
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I was told by Kenwood there were only two NX9s that went into Australia, both came to NZ and I have one of them, the other went to Christchurch. The only other one was the pre production one in Australia that went to woofer...They are still like hens teeth in the Southern Hemisphere, I really dont know why the shortage world wide, it was never this way that i remember with past models
So of the two production units that made it to you guys, are they functioning correctly? Any damages or problems?
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How does one know if they have a noisy DI? I honestly don't even know if or when the DI engages. When is it suppose to? There is some part that is noisy when I switch between picture modes, but that lasts for a few seconds and I haven't heard it at any other time except when switching.

I have really not done much of anything with settings as of yet. Haven't touched brightness or contrast or color. Haven't changed any auto1/auto2/manual settings. Haven't even looked at convergence yet. I've been too busy trying to figure out the HDMI issue with my Zappiti, which might not be as resolved as I thought. After testing new cables on Monday and everything working, I ran the cable through the wall Wednesday and tested last night, only for it not to be working again. I did swap the HDMI cable back and forth from my avr to the Zappiti and back again and it was working last night when I went to bed. Hopefully, this doesn't turn into a luck of the draw situation where sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

I only get a few hours a night to do anything in the theater, once the baby goes to sleep, and half of my nights are taken up by basketball or going to AMC (yay A-List). I should get more time with it tonight, though I'll be mostly playing a game and not tinkering too much.
If you have to ask this, you dont have a noisy dynamic iris. You should be glad about this and not try to look for problems you're not already finding.
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Spoke too soon. Not getting HDR from Zappiti and often times only 1080p. And this is after unplugging my old projector from my AVR. Same with a direct connection.

And now the JVC seems frozen. It's not responding. Then after 5 minutes "focus" popped up and nothing is responding again.

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Finally received my RS2000 this week. I have it in a temporary location for testing before I unmount the old projector, a Sony HW40ES. I was sure it had been damaged in shipping - the interior box had taken a very hard hit along one edge, it was caved in and smashed up the styrofoam inside.

I'm happy to report that it seems to be working just fine though. Some initial thoughts:
  • I was able to fix up the convergence using whole pixel adjustment. No issues there.
  • I'm not able to get the focus quite as sharp as I'd like. This may be the temporary off-center positioning, hopefully it improves a bit once mounted. I was used to a very sharp picture with the Sony and its Reality Creation.
  • I can definitely notice the yellowing when the DI is engaged. Can't notice it pumping at all though, but you can always tell when it kicks in by the yellowing.
  • My unit also has some noticeable reflections on dark scenes. When there is something very bright on a black background you can see a reflected spot a few feet up and to the left. I am thinking this is also due to lens shift, so hopefully it will be less noticeable in the final spot with much less shift.
  • 4k UHD blu-ray picture is incredible. Ridiculous actually. Tested with Lucy, as is the custom, and I was shocked at the quality. Extremely bright on a 130" StudioTek 130.
  • 4k games look great. RDR2 on Xbox is a pretty big improvement over SDR.
  • SDR picture is admittedly not that much better than my Sony HW40ES, except for the blacks being much nicer of course. I'm not sure exactly what I was hoping for, but it doesn't blow me away like HDR does.
  • Speaking of blacks, the first time there was a full blackout and the iris did its thing, my jaw dropped. I was used to very grey blacks!
  • Xbox One X passes through MaxFALL/MaxCLL metadata for UHD discs when available, but nothing for games. (This may be covered elsewhere in the thread, but I had that question myself and I thought others might be curious)
  • Vero 4k+ running OSMC/Kodi does NOT pass HDR metadata for UHD rips. The devs are aware and there is a thread on the community forum.

Most settings are out of the box. I set iris to -7 with Auto2 for SDR and wide open for HDR. Bumped up the tone mapping / picture tone by 2, Low Latency On and CMD and any motion OFF. Firmware 1.21.

Are people just using the standard Gamma 2.2 setting? Are there custom curves available for these models yet? Wondering if that might help my SDR picture.
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Auto iris highlight blow-out/blooming/clipping test

Hey everyone.

I was recently playing around with a friend's NX7 and another friends NX9 and I came across an image artifact/phenomenon that I was hoping you other NX owners could test as well.

I am actually seeing a drastic difference between the NX7 and the NX9.

Essentially what I am seeing on the NX7, is on scenes dark enough to trigger the Auto DI closing, bright highlight details are almost completely blown-out. On the NX9 I am seeing basically NO blow-out.

I have taken some screenshots from a good test scene for you to try on your projectors. I took these images from the UHD and tone-mapped them to SDR with madVR so that everyone will end up displaying the exact same image on their projectors.

What you need to do is open the image, and then look at it in manual iris mode, and then turn on Auto 2 and even Auto 1 iris, and watch for a couple seconds to see if all the detail in her dress blows out. The blow out doesn't happen instantly, it happens in a smooth transition over about 2 seconds as the iris starts to clamp down.

Settings to use:
High Bulb
Gamma 2.2

I have included both rec709 as well as rec2020 images so you can try testing it in SDR picture mode as well as with the rec2020 filter engaged on the NX7 and NX9.

I would also really love to see this tested on an NX5 as I have not gotten to test one. I know the iris on the NX5 is slightly different as there is no lamp iris, so maybe it will have a different result?

I assume, (but am not completely sure) that this is related to the reported Auto DI yellowing issue, but to me, the blow-out is way worse than any yellowing. It also does NOT happen whatsoever when closing the iris down manually, so as speculated, it seems to be a software gamma algorithm issue. I am just surprised that I have not seen anyone describe seeing blow-out from the auto iris, only yellowing which is why I am asking this.

Please report whether or not you see the blow-out occur and what model projector you have and *please!* include your firmware version.

Thanks!

Test images:
https://nicko88.com/misc/pics/jvctest/

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