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What is he going to do when he watches 16:9 content on his screen, clip the height or reduce the size? Neither is a good answer.
It's a good question. This is why I am going to make a native 1.9:1 screen for when my NX5 comes, and for 16:9 was planning on clipping the top and bottom which you only lose like 2 inches. i doubt I would notice it, and in things that are super important to have the full picture, then just have small bars on the sides.

With a 16:9 screen maybe the best would be to convert it into a 1.9:1 screen by adding permanent masking to the top and bottom and do the same as me.

It depends on if he watches more 16:9 or 2.35:1.

But with a 1.9:1 screen and installation mode switching, you technically get the largest 2.35 and largest 16:9 pictures possible at that throw distance. And if you were OK having black bars on your 2.35 content, why not be OK with smaller side bars on 16:9 content? Or build small masking panels which is what I am probably going to do

I just wanted to bring up the option because maybe he watches 75% 2.35 content or something and maybe it's a workable choice.

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Very nice review. It sure makes me wonder if I should get the RS1000 instead of the RS2000 and put the difference toward an anamorphic lens. Although on of the drawbacks was the lack of a color filter. This could be like a gun or condom where it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it!
Did you not watch the video from last week where the dude reviewed both and treated the RS1000 like an unwanted stepchild?
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Did you not watch the video from last week where the dude reviewed both and treated the RS1000 like an unwanted stepchild?
I will continue to watch reviews with calibration charts posted Otherwise whats the point....
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Did you not watch the video from last week where the dude reviewed both and treated the RS1000 like an unwanted stepchild?
I wish I knew this before ordering mine, I could have just asked me to ship me his if it was so bad
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Just arrived in Aus... Feb manufacture date...

Another....Brand New NX7 .......would you believe........."Faulty!!"
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From my understanding, they did. It is not the same material used for last years projectors.
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So I just got my RS1000 setup, everything setup fine and I only had to move the convergence 1 pixel to the right. My only concern is the washed out look. If it is a mostly black/dark scene it looks great, but anything with a mix of dark/light looks washed out. I haven't messed with the contrast/brightness too much. I did move the manual aperture to -10 on SDR and then placed it on auto 2. Right now I haven't blacked out my room as I am still waiting for supplies to arrive (Thursday). This is my first projector so I'm not sure what to expect from adjacent reflections, but it seems like this is the major culprit. Any advice or opinions would be great.
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So I just got my RS1000 setup, everything setup fine and I only had to move the convergence 1 pixel to the right. My only concern is the washed out look. If it is a mostly black/dark scene it looks great, but anything with a mix of dark/light looks washed out. I haven't messed with the contrast/brightness too much. I did move the manual aperture to -10 on SDR and then placed it on auto 2. Right now I haven't blacked out my room as I am still waiting for supplies to arrive (Thursday). This is my first projector so I'm not sure what to expect from adjacent reflections, but it seems like this is the major culprit. Any advice or opinions would be great.
Go to The Blacker The Theater,The Better The Image. Plenty of answers for you in that thread on how to kill reflections, which is of most importance in the projector world.

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Very nice review. It sure makes me wonder if I should get the RS1000 instead of the RS2000 and put the difference toward an anamorphic lens. Although on of the drawbacks was the lack of a color filter. This could be like a gun or condom where it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it!
If your using a smaller screen then the color filter will be beneficial. But with a larger screen you will loose about 30% brightness with filter in place. For me I would not use it anyway, I put the money towards Atmos.
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Go to The Blacker The Theater,The Better The Image. Plenty of answers for you in that thread on how to kill reflections, which is of most importance in the projector world.
Yeah I have black velvet coming to do my walls etc (small room) just want to make sure I’m not missing something else or some setting I need to check.
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JVC needs to desperately rethink/redesign their internal shock absorbtion packaging in light of the massive projector weight increase across their entire native 4K line, and also either "light a fire" under the shipping companies they have contracted to ship them, or change shipping contractors.
I couldn't agree more. They should be using shock sensors in the boxes for these high value items as well. The simple styrofoam from the old days is no longer sufficient for the heavier new line of projectors. The RS4500 is even heavier and still uses the same styofoam.
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Ugh, this is disappointing.

I can't imagine dropping $16K on a new JVC projector and having to sacrifice my favorite thing about JVC projectors.

Better motion panning and resolution sounds fantastic, but if the blacks aren't at least as good as my rs620, I wouldn't be happy at all.
Agreed. it seems they neutered the black floor going from FW 1.16 to FW 1.17. It seems only @Dj Dee has measured good dynamic contrast performance. Perhaps he can explain the magic. The Rs3000 had a better black floor than the 675ES I had, but it was honestly closer to the 675ES than to the RS640.

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It's a good question. This is why I am going to make a native 1.9:1 screen for when my NX5 comes, and for 16:9 was planning on clipping the top and bottom which you only lose like 2 inches. i doubt I would notice it, and in things that are super important to have the full picture, then just have small bars on the sides.

With a 16:9 screen maybe the best would be to convert it into a 1.9:1 screen by adding permanent masking to the top and bottom and do the same as me.

It depends on if he watches more 16:9 or 2.35:1.

But with a 1.9:1 screen and installation mode switching, you technically get the largest 2.35 and largest 16:9 pictures possible at that throw distance. And if you were OK having black bars on your 2.35 content, why not be OK with smaller side bars on 16:9 content? Or build small masking panels which is what I am probably going to do

I just wanted to bring up the option because maybe he watches 75% 2.35 content or something and maybe it's a workable choice.
Remember you're also scaling the image when doing this. 4K bluray is 3840x2160 so you'd be stretching it to 4096 from 3840.

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So I just got my RS1000 setup, everything setup fine and I only had to move the convergence 1 pixel to the right. My only concern is the washed out look. If it is a mostly black/dark scene it looks great, but anything with a mix of dark/light looks washed out. I haven't messed with the contrast/brightness too much. I did move the manual aperture to -10 on SDR and then placed it on auto 2. Right now I haven't blacked out my room as I am still waiting for supplies to arrive (Thursday). This is my first projector so I'm not sure what to expect from adjacent reflections, but it seems like this is the major culprit. Any advice or opinions would be great.
If you feel your image is washed out a little on brighter scenes, what is your gamma at? Try 2.4. If you go into your room and shut off the lights and projector, are you in pitch black? You should not be able to see your hand moving in front of your face in that state.

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So I just got my RS1000 setup, everything setup fine and I only had to move the convergence 1 pixel to the right. My only concern is the washed out look. If it is a mostly black/dark scene it looks great, but anything with a mix of dark/light looks washed out. I haven't messed with the contrast/brightness too much. I did move the manual aperture to -10 on SDR and then placed it on auto 2. Right now I haven't blacked out my room as I am still waiting for supplies to arrive (Thursday). This is my first projector so I'm not sure what to expect from adjacent reflections, but it seems like this is the major culprit. Any advice or opinions would be great.
These projectors work best in blacked out rooms I find. Here is a sample shot of the same image... one while the room is all black, the second is with all the ambient light on.

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So I just got my RS1000 setup, everything setup fine and I only had to move the convergence 1 pixel to the right. My only concern is the washed out look. If it is a mostly black/dark scene it looks great, but anything with a mix of dark/light looks washed out. I haven't messed with the contrast/brightness too much. I did move the manual aperture to -10 on SDR and then placed it on auto 2. Right now I haven't blacked out my room as I am still waiting for supplies to arrive (Thursday). This is my first projector so I'm not sure what to expect from adjacent reflections, but it seems like this is the major culprit. Any advice or opinions would be great.
If you want to quickly see what darker surfaces can do for your image, take a dark blanket and block off the nearest white surface. Have two people hold the blanket spread out, blocking as much of the ceiling or wall that is closest. You will be surprised at how much it improves the image.
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If your using a smaller screen then the color filter will be beneficial. But with a larger screen you will loose about 30% brightness with filter in place. For me I would not use it anyway, I put the money towards Atmos.
I think you will find that the lumen loss is much less. Here is what Manni posted. He has done an extensive review of his RS2000.

"I recommend selecting a user mode (I use User Mode 2 for this) and selecting the BT2020 color profile, 6500K color temp, gamma 2.4, iris fully open in low or high lamp, and adjust tonemapping settings on the source. I haven't tested this myself yet, but that should give the most correct results. If you are brightness starved and are happy to sacrifice saturation to brightness (100% of P3 to around 85% on my unit) to avoid losing around 20% brightness with the P3 filter, you can select the HDR color profile instead. [Edit 16-02/19: it looks like in high lamp the filter only cuts 10% (15% gain from no filter), which might explain why the numbers are all over the place. I posted detailed measurements in the contrast section showing the delta for BT2020 and HDR in high lamp, iris open, both native and dynamic.]"

Dylan also was seeing the same thing on his 2000.
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So I just got my RS1000 setup, everything setup fine and I only had to move the convergence 1 pixel to the right. My only concern is the washed out look. If it is a mostly black/dark scene it looks great, but anything with a mix of dark/light looks washed out. I haven't messed with the contrast/brightness too much. I did move the manual aperture to -10 on SDR and then placed it on auto 2. Right now I haven't blacked out my room as I am still waiting for supplies to arrive (Thursday). This is my first projector so I'm not sure what to expect from adjacent reflections, but it seems like this is the major culprit. Any advice or opinions would be great.
No one has mentioned if you are using Full or Limited, check that out in the menu, you might be on the wrong one.
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These projectors work best in blacked out rooms I find. Here is a sample shot of the same image... one while the room is all black, the second is with all the ambient light on.

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This is exactly what I’m seeing. I will just have to wait until my velvet gets here, thanks. With everything off my room is pitch black I can’t see anything. But my walls are light gray right now so once the projector comes on it’s really bright in there. Once I get my velvet in I can cover the wall and ceiling.
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If you feel your image is washed out a little on brighter scenes, what is your gamma at? Try 2.4. If you go into your room and shut off the lights and projector, are you in pitch black? You should not be able to see your hand moving in front of your face in that state.


This still freaks my family out when all the lights are off and they can’t see anything. Then the movie starts and all is good again


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I'm going to try this when I get my RS2000. I already have my UB820 so I could be joining the group soon!


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Did you not watch the video from last week where the dude reviewed both and treated the RS1000 like an unwanted stepchild?
Are you talking about the video that everyone was saying they gave no credit to how it was comparing the projectors? I was going to look at it until everyone was giving it crap.

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Agreed. it seems they neutered the black floor going from FW 1.16 to FW 1.17. It seems only @Dj Dee has measured good dynamic contrast performance. Perhaps he can explain the magic. The Rs3000 had a better black floor than the 675ES I had, but it was honestly closer to the 675ES than to the RS640.
This is easy, Yes I have a god sample. And the reading turned to the lens are also so low that I need to be so close to the Klein K10A to get a proper reading.
I will say its around 800000:1 I guess. On screen I don't get lower measurements than 100000:1 at -13. At -15 i measure 120000:1 Also tested with light meters. Did a test on the N5 now and 100% done the same. Same meter same room same test. I have no problem to understand that.

I had a chance to change the unit newly because of some bugs, but I said clearly sorry I don't dare.

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Very nice review. It sure makes me wonder if I should get the RS1000 instead of the RS2000 and put the difference toward an anamorphic lens. Although on of the drawbacks was the lack of a color filter. This could be like a gun or condom where it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it!
Personally because of total black level difference I would pick the N7.

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It doesn't matter, JVC should have thought this through ahead of time and redesigned the internal packaging to better compensate for the massive, additional PJ weight increase and come up with packaging and materials that can better withstand the shock and rigors of normal shipping without the projectors being defective/faulty/DOA upon arrival at their destination.


Yes, clearly JVC missed on their shipping requirements.

Actually the problem is that this is not normal shipping. These are delicate electronics with micro-sized tolerances internally.

I have been an owner of a substantial 3PL franchise for 30 years. However, I can tell you JVC's carton internal packaging is not at fault; what is at fault is their transportation mode from distributors. FWIW, even if these were shipped in a good road case, if they bounce off concrete they would risk damage.

This generation of projector has hit the size threshold where it needs to be moved via freight on a custom pallet from the distributor. Due to the projector's girth, it is too large for the small package stream; i.e., UPS and FedEx. The fact that FedEx and UPS will accept and ship items up to 150 lbs. really doesn't mean diddly - these companies are small package carriers by definition.

A good example of something similar shipped correctly in my experience would be an Outlaw sub-woofer; strapped on a small custom sized pallet, delivered via freight carrier. Of course that adds substantial expense to the mfg/shipping cost and would certainly drive up the cost of bringing the product to market as well as the retail price.

Seems like this go around it would have been worth it for JVC.

Having said all that, mine arrived safely. It is the best image I have ever had in my theater. It rocks!
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Personally because of total black level difference I would pick the N7.
For me it was economics. I valued the anamorphic lens more than black level and bought the RS1000. I notice the difference in blacks vs. my RS500, but the lens is so nice it doesn't bug me. No buyers remorse.
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So I just got my RS1000 setup, everything setup fine and I only had to move the convergence 1 pixel to the right. My only concern is the washed out look. If it is a mostly black/dark scene it looks great, but anything with a mix of dark/light looks washed out. I haven't messed with the contrast/brightness too much. I did move the manual aperture to -10 on SDR and then placed it on auto 2. Right now I haven't blacked out my room as I am still waiting for supplies to arrive (Thursday).

This is my first projector so I'm not sure what to expect from adjacent reflections, but it seems like this is the major culprit.

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This is exactly what I’m seeing. I will just have to wait until my velvet gets here, thanks. With everything off my room is pitch black I can’t see anything. But my walls are light gray right now so once the projector comes on it’s really bright in there. Once I get my velvet in I can cover the wall and ceiling.
Have you set your brightness for SDR or are you running it at factory settings, which is iris wide open?
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Yes, clearly JVC missed on their shipping requirements.

Actually the problem is that this is not normal shipping. These are delicate electronics with micro-sized tolerances internally.

I have been an owner of a substantial 3PL franchise for 30 years. However, I can tell you JVC's carton internal packaging is not at fault; what is at fault is their transportation mode from distributors. FWIW, even if these were shipped in a good road case, if they bounce off concrete they would risk damage.

This generation of projector has hit the size threshold where it needs to be moved via freight on a custom pallet from the distributor. Due to the projector's girth, it is too large for the small package stream; i.e., UPS and FedEx. The fact that FedEx and UPS will accept and ship items up to 150 lbs. really doesn't mean diddly - these companies are small package carriers by definition.

A good example of something similar shipped correctly in my experience would be an Outlaw sub-woofer; strapped on a small custom sized pallet, delivered via freight carrier. Of course that adds substantial expense to the mfg/shipping cost and would certainly drive up the cost of bringing the product to market as well as the retail price.

Seems like this go around it would have been worth it for JVC.

Having said all that, mine arrived safely. It is the best image I have ever had in my theater. It rocks!
I agree freight is usually a much better way to ship these, but as luck would have it, even freight this year has been a problem. Projectors were shipped shrink wrapped to pallets. Had a cone on top so nothing could be stacked on top. Had notices on them concerning high value fragile and had a notice, stating not to remove the pallets. In both cases, the projectors arrived with no pallet, no cone and most of the shrink wrap gone. All of the notices were still there. Also arrived with holes in the boxes. One arrived on its side and the box bottom was soaked. That is just workers not doing their job properly. Turned what should have been a good experience into a disaster.
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