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It is my understanding that the 420 is exactly the same as the 820, with the only difference being lack of support for DolbyVision in the 420.


Thanks. Just calibrated my NX7 using the latest AutoCal JVC software. After calibration, the colours are more accurately now. Previously I need to meddle with the Color and Tint for Red 709. Now it’s is perfect.



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I’m considering to get the UB-420 (with HDR Optimizer) to try out. Can I safely say that these 2 new color profiles for the Panny UB-9000 can also be applicable for the 420 and 820 models as well?
My understanding is that the custom profiles will be intended for the three named JVC projectors and the Panasonic UB9000 only.

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I fully intend on it, but when I bought my 820 in October? it wasn’t available. And it is yet to be avail. When I can walk into a local store and pick one up I will day 1.
Robert from Value Electronics posted in another forum (yesterday) that his store has an exclusive on the UB9000 (in the U.S.) until July 2019.

I ordered mine back in October 2018 and made it into the first allotment (due to some cancellations).

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My understanding is that the custom profiles will be intended for the three named JVC projectors and the Panasonic UB9000 only.



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It appears so. If this is indeed the case, then I guess the HDR optimiser for UB-420 and UB-820 will not work with the new Panny Color profiles. How unfortunate.



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Robert from Value Electronics posted in another forum (yesterday) that his store has an exclusive on the UB9000 (in the U.S.) until July 2019.

I ordered mine back in October 2018 and made it into the first allotment (due to some cancellations).

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Here is a quick clip from the other night. Panny 820 HDR optimizer on, JVC HDR color profile with Auto tone mapping on 0 and low lamp mode.
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Thanks. Just calibrated my NX7 using the latest AutoCal JVC software. After calibration, the colours are more accurately now. Previously I need to meddle with the Color and Tint for Red 709. Now it’s is perfect.



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How long did this take you to do? Did you run into any trouble? Do you have any special equipment or did you just use the latest software and that was it?
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Count me in as confused.



Previous to the new Panasonic specific color profiles for the JVC Projectors, if you were using the UB820/UB9000, you had 2 choices:



1. Output HDR from the Panasonic, and set the JVC Color Profile to HDR, (or BT2020 if you want to use the filter), and Gamma to HDR(PQ).



The Tone-Mapping takes place in the JVC's Gamma adjustments in the HDR(PQ) curve, with a slider to tweak to a given screen/room/preference (and also the Panasonic when choosing the appropriate Display type for 350 or 500 nits, but let's ignore that for the purposes of understanding the basics here).



2. Output SDR-BT2020 from the Panasonic, and set the JVC Color Profile to HDR, (or BT2020 if you want to use the filter), and Gamma to 2.2.



The Tone-Mapping takes place in the Panasonic, and is based on seeing a plain Gamma of 2.2 in the Projector. The Projector supplies a Color Profile, but there is nothing "HDR-like" in its Gamma, since it's plain old 2.2





Now, we have new Panasonic-specific Color Profiles in the JVC's, but the Gamma is still being set to 2.2. As Mike points out, the Panasonic will be doing the Tone-Mapping, and the JVC is still using it's 'regular' Gamma of 2.2, so not doing anything "HDR-like" at all.



The question then is how is this new approach different from Option 2 above, where the Panasonic is outputting SDR-BT2020? Doesn't it have to be doing this, since the JVC is still set to Gamma 2.2, as it has to be in that situation??





It has been my understanding that the Color Profile in the JVC is addressing color gamut and color space type issues (with WCG being one dimension of UHD content), while Gamma addresses the HDR component of UHD content. If that is the case, then it seems that the new Color Profiles only operate to impact color gamut and color space, and *not* the HDR component (which is a Gamma function).



Further, how are these new Color Profiles different from the current HDR (no filter) and BT2020 (filter in use)??


This is exactly where I am right now. Any answers to these questions would be much appreciated.
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Crazy amount of hours / posts here dealing with 4K HDR-
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How long did this take you to do? Did you run into any trouble? Do you have any special equipment or did you just use the latest software and that was it?
Just using the Spyder 5 Pro with the calibration s/w. I did not encounter any problem whatsoever. If you are using the s/w, there is really nothing much you can do expert to follow through the calibration. It took me about 5mins to calibrate one colour profile using quality mode.


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Ahhhhhhh. You have to use User 1/etc. I couldn’t find them otherwise.

But - selecting 2.2 you’re saying that will only have the Panny doing the work - and not the JVC? I thought the entire point was for them both to be working together?
"Go to HDR menu (tab 2 I think) and change the default from HDR to User 1.

Then setup User 1 with one of the two Panasonic profiles.

Then set Gamma to 2.2. With Gamma 2.2 the Panasonic will be doing the tone mapping, not the projector."


They are working together, since you selected the profile in the projector.
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Just using the Spyder 5 Pro with the calibration s/w. I did not encounter any problem whatsoever. If you are using the s/w, there is really nothing much you can do expert to follow through the calibration. It took me about 5mins to calibrate one colour profile using quality mode.


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"Go to HDR menu (tab 2 I think) and change the default from HDR to User 1.



Then setup User 1 with one of the two Panasonic profiles.



Then set Gamma to 2.2. With Gamma 2.2 the Panasonic will be doing the tone mapping, not the projector."





They are working together, since you selected the profile in the projector.


I quoted DLCPhoto up there as he explained my question and asked it much better than I ever could have. Can you take a look at that as well?
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Chad B. calibrated my NX7 yesterday, just a few hours after release of the v2.01 firmware. This was the first NX7/RS2000 that he'd seen or calibrated. I'll try to summarize his comments to me......

I provided him with the new version of Autocal. No issues were encountered while running this program.

He was very impressed by the accuracy, quality & brightness of the calibrated images and indicated that, at least for a screen such as mine (110", 16x9, 1.3 gain), he would opt for the NX7 over the three RS3000 units that he has calibrated (he has yet to calibrate an NX5). He created custom gamma curves (low & high) for HDR material for applications such as Vudu from my ATV4K/Roku Ultra (due to lack of a Vudu app in the UB820/9000). His custom curves disable the auto tone mapping feature in the NX7, but it was his opinion that JVC auto tone mapping "flattens out" the image. He said that he was very impressed with the new Panasonic/JVC HDR tone mapping color profile, especially after completion of calibration. He noted that the HL (500 nit) option was superior to the BL (320 nit) option, as BL engages the color filter and reduces overall impact in the NX7. Other than the obvious uptick in definition of fine detail, the "Lucy" 1080p Blu-Ray (played on my Oppo 103D because of the quality of upscaling to 4K) looked almost equal to that same movie played in UHD, with a color palette (after calibration) that came close to rivaling HDR. 3D rendering was, as expected, awesome after calibration, he was constantly grinning while watching the first few minutes of "Sin City" in 3D. SDR from my Tivo (cable TV feed) was vibrant & very accurate after calibration.

Chad told me that he will be commenting further on this thread at a later date regarding his impression of the NX7. Many thanks to Chad for, once again, taking the time necessary to optimally calibrate my JVC PJ. He was tireless in his pursuit of providing me with a state of the art HT experience!
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My understanding is that the custom profiles will be intended for the three named JVC projectors and the Panasonic UB9000 only.

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The UB820 has one 500 nit profile that you can use. I do not know about the 420.
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It appears so. If this is indeed the case, then I guess the HDR optimiser for UB-420 and UB-820 will not work with the new Panny Color profiles. How unfortunate.



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820 has the 500 nit profile. Do not know what the 420 has?
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820 has the 500 nit profile. Do not know what the 420 has?


Both 420 and 820 have the same features except for DV which only present in 820.


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My understanding is that the custom profiles will be intended for the three named JVC projectors and the Panasonic UB9000 only.

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The UB820 has one 500 nit profile that you can use. I do not know about the 420.
Not the same thing. That is a standard projector profile found on the new Panasonic 4K players. The two new custom profiles will be specific to the JVC projectors and, apparently, only be available when the Panny UB9000 is the source player.

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Not the same thing. That is a standard projector profile found on the new Panasonic 4K players. The two new custom profiles will be specific to the JVC projectors and, apparently, only be available when the Panny UB9000 is the source player.

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Pretty sure the 500 nit profile on the 820 is the same as the 500 nit profile on the 9000. Going by what I have been told. Will need to confirm.
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Not the same thing. That is a standard projector profile found on the new Panasonic 4K players. The two new custom profiles will be specific to the JVC projectors and, apparently, only be available when the Panny UB9000 is the source player. Mark
Could you please tell me where are you getting that information regarding the UB820's (500 nit tone mapping & dynamic slider) lack of compatibility with the new Panasonic-JVC curves? The fact that it isn't mentioned in the press releases for the UB9000 does not necessarily preclude UB820/420 compatibility. Wouldn't player tone mapping at 500 nit (or additionally, for the UB9000, 320 nit) be universal across Panasonic's UHD players?
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Not the same thing. That is a standard projector profile found on the new Panasonic 4K players. The two new custom profiles will be specific to the JVC projectors and, apparently, only be available when the Panny UB9000 is the source player.

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This has not been confirmed yet. The 820 does have the 500 nit projector setting in TV type just as the 9000 has although the 9000 has an added 350 nit setting also. Whether there is a difference in the 500 nit settings between the 9000 and the 820 has yet to be determined.

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This was a question asked on this forum on 3/12/19 about the new Panny-JVC Color Profiles: "Any word if the UB820 is getting those picture modes that work with JVC?"

This was Kris Deering's reply: "The 820 already has one of the two. I will have more info on this in my NX9 review."

Kris has been in consultation with JVC regarding the new cooperative endeavor with Panasonic and will be involved in an upcoming "unveiling" later this month at which the UB9000's capability will be demonstrated. It's hard to imagine anyone more qualified to give relevant information. It seems to me that he would have replied that the UB820 wasn't compatible if that was the fact. Instead he seems to indicate that the UB820 will successfully integrate with the new JVC's at the 500 nit setting.
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Pretty sure the 500 nit profile on the 820 is the same as the 500 nit profile on the 9000. Going by what I have been told. Will need to confirm.


Where can we confirm that? The 820 thread?
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This was a question asked on this forum on 3/12/19 about the new Panny-JVC Color Profiles: "Any word if the UB820 is getting those picture modes that work with JVC?"



This was Kris Deering's reply: "The 820 already has one of the two. I will have more info on this in my NX9 review."



Kris has been in consultation with JVC regarding the new cooperative endeavor with Panasonic and will be involved in an upcoming "unveiling" later this month at which the UB9000's capability will be demonstrated. It's hard to imagine anyone more qualified to give relevant information. It seems to me that he would have replied that the UB820 wasn't compatible if that was the fact. Instead he seems to indicate that the UB820 will successfully integrate with the new JVC's at the 500 nit setting.


Fingers crossed. You mention you DO see a difference in using the new profiles with the 500 nit setting - correct?
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Useful JVC good settings out of the box. Hope this helps even more

1- Select picture modus USER 1

2- Press picture modus and turn the iris down to what your prefer. Depends on room and screen size. For a start put it down to -8.
(I use -12 in High lamp to get around 17FL and - 12 to get 15,5Fl in Low lamp. My screen 110 inch. (I will say around 16FL is great with BD.) Turn Iris from manual to Auto Iris Auto2.

3- Below you see Brightness turn that to -3 or keep it at 0. All other settings do not touch.

4- Select Color profile BT709

5- Select Gamma 2.4

6- If you like Clair motion drive turn it ON to LOW. If not just activate low latency to ON Then CMD is inactive.

7- Select screen Correction pick your screen and put in the number. If not there forget it.
Here link to numbers list. https://www3.jvckenwood.com/english/projector/screen/

Then you're done. Then you can watch Blu Ray films. UHD films goes automatic. And you can enjoy your new JVC until you get a calibrator to set it up finally.
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I was trying to post a link to the event but the AVS forum Gods are preventing it from appearing .
Go to the Value Electronics website and link to the UB9000. On that page you should see a link to the event. Looks like a good time for those in the area.

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"Go to HDR menu (tab 2 I think) and change the default from HDR to User 1.

Then setup User 1 with one of the two Panasonic profiles.

Then set Gamma to 2.2. With Gamma 2.2 the Panasonic will be doing the tone mapping, not the projector."


They are working together, since you selected the profile in the projector.
Perhaps the confusion is the term "working together." My understanding is that, prior to the new firmware, if you output HDR from the 820, and you had the HDR Optimizer in the 820 set to "on," BOTH the 820 AND the JVC projector would do the tone mapping. I obtained this understanding from reading multiple threads on the 820 forum.

Now, you seem to be saying that, with the new JVC firmware, if you set the 820 to output HDR and you set the HDR Optimizer to "on," and you select one of the new Panny Color profiles in the JVC projector (and you set Gamma to 2.2 ), then only the 820 will do the tone mapping.

So I just think we're trying to confirm that the updated firmware has basically stopped the projector from ALSO doing tone mapping when the 820 is outputting HDR, the HDR Optimizer is on, and gamma is set to 2.2.

Your point about then "working together" makes sense, if you look at it in that context, but I think the confusion was whether "working together" meant that BOTH units were doing some tone mapping.
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Slow start up with New Firmware update

Hey guys. I installed the latest 2.01 firmware yesterday. My main issue up to now has been a 6 minute startup time. After the firmware loaded up and the the NX7 turned off, I turned it back on and it started up in just under a minute. Every startup after the first one is back to 6 minutes. Has anyone with longer than usual startup times experienced this since the latest firmware came out?
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Hey guys. I installed the latest 2.01 firmware yesterday. My main issue up to now has been a 6 minute startup time. After the firmware loaded up and the the NX7 turned off, I turned it back on and it started up in just under a minute. Every startup after the first one is back to 6 minutes. Has anyone with longer than usual startup times experienced this since the latest firmware came out?
Something is wrong. No way it should be taking 6 minutes to start up. The Dila logo should appear in about 40 seconds and if no source is provided the blue screen should come on about 15 seconds later.
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Here are my settings for the JVC and UB820 for HDR. I will capture the SDR settings when I watch something in SDR. 🙂

Here are some sample shots from Thor and Venom


I’m using your settings and I like them A LOT.

One problem - I can’t make them stick. I can set PT/DL/BL - but they won’t stay that way when switching between modes. They revert back to 3/0/6 from 10/-5/6.

This is whether I made the change to HDR10 or to Custom1.

Any ideas?
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