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I’ll be checking this out. Thank you!
I've now added a section on calibration (that covers both gamma and greyscale), with pre and post calibration measurements .
The Autocal does pretty well on my SDR WCG calibration: my colorchecker SG goes from a max dE of 5.3 and an average of 1.7 to a max of 2.2 and an average of 0.9.
Detailed measurements, tips and comments in the thread.
I also posted measurements of a madVR 3D LUT on top of the autocal that improves the results even further and brings them near reference (my reference being an i1pro2).
This completes the section on the new JVC Autocal software that covers meters, prep, calibration and results, along with the updated FAQ/troubleshooting section, so hopefully those eager to get started with the Autocal will have enough to hit the ground running and overcome the most common roadblocks

Have a good week-end every one, I have to catch up with work now!
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I've now added a section on calibration (that covers both gamma and greyscale), with measurements pre and post calibration.

The Autocal does pretty weel on my SDR WCG calibration: my colorchecker SG goes from a max dE of 5.3 and an average of 1.7 to a max of 2.2 and an average of 0.9.

Detailed measurements, tips and comments in the thread.

I also posted measurements of a madVR 3D LUT on top of the autocal that improves the results even further and brings them near reference (my reference being my i1pro2, so it could be 1-3 dE off, though it doesn't look like it is).

This completes the basic section that covers meters, prep, calibration and results, along with the updated FAQ/troubleshooting section, so hopefully those eager to get started with the Autocal will have enough to hit the ground running and overcome the most common roadblocks



Have a good week-end every one, I have to catch up with work now!


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Kris,

With the new jvc color profiles, how does the hdr optimizer on the Panasonic works?

In other words, in the past you mentioned that 0=350 nits and +9=100 nits. Now, how do you set it up?

When calibrating the color profile, should we use hdr10 patterns and calman’s hdr workflow?

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Here are my settings for the JVC and UB820 for HDR. I will capture the SDR settings when I watch something in SDR. 🙂

Here are some sample shots from Thor and Venom


I’m using your settings and I like them A LOT.

One problem - I can’t make them stick. I can set PT/DL/BL - but they won’t stay that way when switching between modes. They revert back to 3/0/6 from 10/-5/6.

This is whether I made the change to HDR10 or to Custom1.

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I’m quite happy with the results of these settings as well. However I too have the same issue. I have to keep going in and changing them 😞. Not sure why they won’t stick.

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I’m quite happy with the results of these settings as well. However I too have the same issue. I have to keep going in and changing them 😞. Not sure why they won’t stick.


Well...that sucks. Lol. They look really good though. I can’t imagine it’s normal for them not to stick - especially when I’m using Custom 1 for them. That doesn’t make sense.

Anyone know?
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Hey guys. I installed the latest 2.01 firmware yesterday. My main issue up to now has been a 6 minute startup time. After the firmware loaded up and the the NX7 turned off, I turned it back on and it started up in just under a minute. Every startup after the first one is back to 6 minutes. Has anyone with longer than usual startup times experienced this since the latest firmware came out?
My RS1000 is another sample with slow start up time. I will post once I apply new update.
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Not the same thing. That is a standard projector profile found on the new Panasonic 4K players. The two new custom profiles will be specific to the JVC projectors and, apparently, only be available when the Panny UB9000 is the source player.

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Pretty sure the 500 nit profile on the 820 is the same as the 500 nit profile on the 9000. Going by what I have been told. Will need to confirm.
I’m not talking about the Panasonic profiles. It’s new JVC projector profiles designed to work with the UB9000. Read the press release linked earlier.

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Not the same thing. That is a standard projector profile found on the new Panasonic 4K players. The two new custom profiles will be specific to the JVC projectors and, apparently, only be available when the Panny UB9000 is the source player. Mark
Could you please tell me where are you getting that information regarding the UB820's (500 nit tone mapping & dynamic slider) lack of compatibility with the new Panasonic-JVC curves? The fact that it isn't mentioned in the press releases for the UB9000 does not necessarily preclude UB820/420 compatibility. Wouldn't player tone mapping at 500 nit (or additionally, for the UB9000, 320 nit) be universal across Panasonic's UHD players?
Robert at Value Electronics has posted about it at Blu-Ray forum. Only work with UB9000.

The press release isn’t vague about it either. It specifically refers to Panasonic’s high end player.

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Robert at Value Electronics has posted about it at Blu-Ray forum. Only work with UB9000.

The press release isn’t vague about it either. It specifically refers to Panasonic’s high end player.

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Clearly both JVC, Panasonic, and Value Electronics are using this to tout the UB9000, and that is the only model they're talking about. This seems to be a marketing strategy, and just because the UB820 isn't mentioned doesn't justify concluding that it wouldn't work with the new JVC Panasonic-specific Color Profiles.

That's the way I read them, anyway.

And if I'm understanding him correctly, docrog has used his UB820 with his NX7, with the new Color Profiles, with what appears to be excellent results.

Further testing and announcements, especially by Kris Deering, should fully flesh this out, so we'll know for sure.

So patience is in order, basically.
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Robert at Value Electronics has posted about it at Blu-Ray forum. Only work with UB9000.

The press release isn’t vague about it either. It specifically refers to Panasonic’s high end player.

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Yes the press release talked about the 9000. Robert also said he was unsure if the 820 worked the same with the 500 nit setting. Why don’t we just wait a week and find out for sure from the JVC and Panasonic people. Kris D will be there too and will probably have some things to say about it also. That’s not to say you can’t try different settings on your own and see what looks good to you.
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Clearly both JVC, Panasonic, and Value Electronics are using this to tout the UB9000, and that is the only model they're talking about. This seems to be a marketing strategy, and just because the UB820 isn't mentioned doesn't justify concluding that it wouldn't work with the new JVC Panasonic-specific Color Profiles.
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Hello everyone. Looking to get either the NX7 or NX5 for my HT. It is a total batcave, ie. black walls, black ceiling tiles, dark blue carpet and light controlled. Throw distance to screen is about 16 ft. I am in process of building a false wall and a AT 140" diag 2:39 AT screen. Has anyone used milliskin matte white over black spandex for the screen material? Wondering how it would compare to say a Seymour Centerstage UF in terms of sharpness, black levels, etc. when using the NX7 or NX5. I would normally post this in the DIY screen area, but wanted some actual owners of the aforementioned JVC Projectors to chime in on what they would recommend for screen material. Thanks!

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Hello everyone. Looking to get either the NX7 or NX5 for my HT. It is a total batcave, ie. black walls, black ceiling tiles, dark blue carpet and light controlled. Throw distance to screen is about 16 ft. I am in process of building a false wall and a AT 140" diag 2:39 AT screen. Has anyone used milliskin matte white over black spandex for the screen material? Wondering how it would compare to say a Seymour Centerstage UF in terms of sharpness, black levels, etc. when using the NX7 or NX5. I would normally post this in the DIY screen area, but wanted some actual owners of the aforementioned JVC Projectors to chime in on what they would recommend for screen material. Thanks!
My first foray into acoustically transparent screens was spandex, white over black. It was dull and didn't have any pop in comparison to the Seymour Center Stage XD I am now using. And I am pretty sure there are now better AT solutions than the Seymour XD tech of 7 years ago. If you're are gonna' skimp on screen, don't spend on a great projector, cause' really you aren't getting a great projector in that scenario. A little like having a great performance vehicle without being able to open it up and let it rock the highway.
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I’m quite happy with the results of these settings as well. However I too have the same issue. I have to keep going in and changing them &#x1f61e;. Not sure why they won’t stick.
Same here, tone mapping settings PL, DL, BL dont stick..

Also, there is so much talk about the tone mapping, which is all great now that we can change the levels, but how many discs make the tone mapping settings available? Maybe this is working better on the Pana players? I am using the Oppo 203, and my estimate is that about half om my UHD movies make the tone mapping setting available on the projector menu.

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manni or someone else, do you know if the new firmware addresses the 12bit issue using madvr?
Just to say that I checked tonight and as expected that's not fixed yet.

Hopefully in the next f/w update!

Though you can try to use YCC422 12bits, that should work fine, as that's what's selected internally by the JVC with RGB 12bits.

What it means if you do this is that madVR does the chroma upscaling from 4:2:0 to 4:2:2, and the JVC does it from 4:2:2 to 4:4:4. Not ideal, but worth trying, and at least nothing should happen behind madVR's back that way.
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Elsewhere, MikeG posted a PDF of JVC Instructions on using the UB-9000 with the new JVC Projectors (with up-to-date firmware containing the new Color Profiles). One sentence addressed the questions I asked a page or two ago, concerning how the new Color Profiles could be understood relative to HDR, since the JVC's are to be set to Gamma 2.2 for their use. This is a quote from the JVC Instructions:

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This is a new concept to me - can you or anyone explain how Gamma Adjustments can be made with a Color Profile?

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Elsewhere, MikeG posted a PDF of JVC Instructions on using the UB-9000 with the new JVC Projectors (with up-to-date firmware containing the new Color Profiles). One sentence addressed the questions I asked a page or two ago, concerning how the new Color Profiles could be understood relative to HDR, since the JVC's are to be set to Gamma 2.2 for their use. This is a quote from the JVC Instructions:



This is a new concept to me - can you or anyone explain how Gamma Adjustments can be made with a Color Profile?

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I answered in the other thread, you can specify a gamma curve (1.8 to 2.6, default 2.2) when creating a color profile.

PQ isn't selectable though, at least not with the JVC Autocal software.
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Very helpful instructions. So those of us with the 820 will have to see if these instructions (albeit with slightly different menu settings in the 820) also apply to our player.
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I answered in the other thread, you can specify a gamma curve (1.8 to 2.6, default 2.2) when creating a color profile.

PQ isn't selectable though, at least not with the JVC Autocal software.
(I did a quick search but didn’t find “the othe thread” where you discussed this - unless you were referring to the “other website”).

My understanding is that the gamma value used when creating a colour profile is only used when one selects Normal gamma; otherwise the gamma value selected in the profile overrides the “original” gamma. I’m not sure if the original gamma affects the colour profile in any other way.
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(I did a quick search but didn’t find “the othe thread” where you discussed this - unless you were referring to the “other website”).

My understanding is that the gamma value used when creating a colour profile is only used when one selects Normal gamma; otherwise the gamma value selected in the profile overrides the “original” gamma. I’m not sure if the original gamma affects the colour profile in any other way.
Yes, it's on the "other website"

I was only answering DCLPhoto's question regarding whether it's possible to select a gamma option in a profile or not. I agree that it doesn't store any "curve" information.

Normal gamma isn't an option anymore in the 4K models though, so it might be working differently.

Also they might have a special "override" for the pana specific profiles that means the gamma value in the profile has priority over the manual gamma selection?

I haven't had the time to do any test on this specifically, and as I use madVR's dynamic tonemapping with a 3D LUT for calibration and own a lowly UB900, I really have little interest in the 820/9000 tonemapping, as improved as it might be.

It's still static tonemapping, so far behind what madVR and the Radiance Pro can do today. I do understand why others are interested though, that's why I provided the info
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Could you please tell me where are you getting that information regarding the UB820's (500 nit tone mapping & dynamic slider) lack of compatibility with the new Panasonic-JVC curves? The fact that it isn't mentioned in the press releases for the UB9000 does not necessarily preclude UB820/420 compatibility. Wouldn't player tone mapping at 500 nit (or additionally, for the UB9000, 320 nit) be universal across Panasonic's UHD players?

My thoughts exactly. What makes UB-9000 HDR optimiser any different from the 420/820? Frankly I also don’t see the difference, can anyone confirm with JVC on this? The reason I’m asking is simple, there are probably more 820 users than 9000 (just a hunch) in this forum...if somehow Mark knows more than all of us do on the fact that JVC truly ONLY allows the new custom tone mapping curve to be used primarily with a source like UB-9000, then I have to say that this is probably, for the lack of better word, the dumbest move I have ever seen. Pardon me.

Suspect a marketing strategy to get consumers to get the UB-9000 flagship players to have more choices in terms of the 2 additional projector luminance profile (High and the Basic luminance for Projectors targeted at 500nits and 350 nits respectively).


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Very helpful instructions. So those of us with the 820 will have to see if these instructions (albeit with slightly different menu settings in the 820) also apply to our player.
I did the upgrade and changed the settings. On the 820 they work well and I am not sure why people are not going crazy over this because. I will tell you what, with my RS2000, Stewart Screen and DCR Lens (only reason I say all this is because I think it is the combo) with the new firmware and the 820 holy crap.....I would not watch anything on my Sony A1 with the picture I have with this. Kills my DLP like crazy, which it should at 5 times as much cost.

Now for a negative, with the new firmware, has anyone else noticed longer sync times?

Man I wish you could see this picture with this combination of equipment because crap, amazing picture. Need to do auto cal to get rid of a little red push. My projector in High lamp is much quieter out of high altitude mode.

My recommendation for anyone contemplating between a NX7 or NX9 is to go with the NX7 and get the DCR lens, Panni 9000 and the Stewart Screen and save some money. I wish I could compare my picture against a typical NX9 installation.

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Edit: add that the new Fantastic Beasts is as good as Lucy for a test disk.
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Same here, tone mapping settings PL, DL, BL dont stick..



Also, there is so much talk about the tone mapping, which is all great now that we can change the levels, but how many discs make the tone mapping settings available? Maybe this is working better on the Pana players? I am using the Oppo 203, and my estimate is that about half om my UHD movies make the tone mapping setting available on the projector menu.


We must be doing something wrong. Those setting should stick for sure. Especially if I’m using the Custom1/2 etc.

Seems weird. Anyone think that’s a bug?
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I did the upgrade and changed the settings. On the 820 they work well and I am not sure why people are not going crazy over this because. I will tell you what, with my RS2000, Stewart Screen and DCR Lens (only reason I say all this is because I think it is the combo) with the new firmware and the 820 holy crap.....I would not watch anything on my Sony A1 with the picture I have with this. Kills my DLP like crazy, which it should at 5 times as much cost.



Now for a negative, with the new firmware, has anyone else noticed longer sync times?



Man I wish you could see this picture with this combination of equipment because crap, amazing picture. Need to do auto cal to get rid of a little rec push. My projector in High lamp is much quieter out of high altitude mode.



My recommendation for anyone contemplating between a NX7 or NX9 is to go with the NX7 and get the DCR lens, Panni 9000 and the Stewart Screen and save some money. I wish I could compare my picture against a typical NX9 installation.



Happy HT fun.......


What are your exact settings on the 820 and the JVC?
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What are your exact settings on the 820 and the JVC?
Mike sent the instructions. They are real easy and on the firmware upgrade part of the JVC site.

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Can anyone with Lucy 4K and the new firmware, new settings for the projector test to see if your panni 820 is breaking up the picture. Buffers seem to be overwhelmed, i think on the Panni. Setting the Panni to the recommended settings from JVC.

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Perhaps the confusion is the term "working together." My understanding is that, prior to the new firmware, if you output HDR from the 820, and you had the HDR Optimizer in the 820 set to "on," BOTH the 820 AND the JVC projector would do the tone mapping. I obtained this understanding from reading multiple threads on the 820 forum.



Now, you seem to be saying that, with the new JVC firmware, if you set the 820 to output HDR and you set the HDR Optimizer to "on," and you select one of the new Panny Color profiles in the JVC projector (and you set Gamma to 2.2 ), then only the 820 will do the tone mapping.



So I just think we're trying to confirm that the updated firmware has basically stopped the projector from ALSO doing tone mapping when the 820 is outputting HDR, the HDR Optimizer is on, and gamma is set to 2.2.



Your point about then "working together" makes sense, if you look at it in that context, but I think the confusion was whether "working together" meant that BOTH units were doing some tone mapping.

Personally I thought both the player (using HDR Optimiser) and JVC projector will all engage their own respective tone mapping algorithms at some point. My take is, the player will tone map the media based on the MaxCLL and MaxFALL from Master Info Display and then re-map to the type of output say High Luminance (500nits) that we set. The player will pass the re-mapped signal to JVC to retain its tone mapping details targeted at 500nits (meaning less work for a JVC to handle the tone mapping by itself). The JVC tone curve can help to compliment the processes mapping signal to better preserve the overall highlight details of the image in which we will see a brighter overall image with better overall picture quality in HDR. That’s how I see it. Of course, I could be wrong here.


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