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Hey guys. I installed the latest 2.01 firmware yesterday. My main issue up to now has been a 6 minute startup time. After the firmware loaded up and the the NX7 turned off, I turned it back on and it started up in just under a minute. Every startup after the first one is back to 6 minutes. Has anyone with longer than usual startup times experienced this since the latest firmware came out?

Never. My startup regardless of the state the projector is in, will always be under a minute. Never more than 5mins like you described even when I’m on the older firmware (ver 1.19)


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I’m using your settings and I like them A LOT.

One problem - I can’t make them stick. I can set PT/DL/BL - but they won’t stay that way when switching between modes. They revert back to 3/0/6 from 10/-5/6.

This is whether I made the change to HDR10 or to Custom1.

Any ideas?


Actually that should be the way it supposed to be implemented. Imagine different source requires different tinkering to get the best possible picture quality. What works for one movie does not mean it will translate well to another title. If you ask me, I say this is perfectly normal.


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Hey guys. I installed the latest 2.01 firmware yesterday. My main issue up to now has been a 6 minute startup time. After the firmware loaded up and the the NX7 turned off, I turned it back on and it started up in just under a minute. Every startup after the first one is back to 6 minutes. Has anyone with longer than usual startup times experienced this since the latest firmware came out?
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In-depth evaluation and direct comparison between JVC RS1000/NX5/N5 vs SONY 295/270ES happening HERE for those who are interested:

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Wow the 295ES should get utterly destroyed. Why not the JVC N5 vs Sony 695ES? I bet this is a very close battle. Spec wise they're far closer with the N5 getting the edge.

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I’m not talking about the Panasonic profiles. It’s new JVC projector profiles designed to work with the UB9000. Read the press release linked earlier.

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Those are the Panasonic profiles. Here let me simplify it for you. See attached.
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Robert at Value Electronics has posted about it at Blu-Ray forum. Only work with UB9000.

The press release isn’t vague about it either. It specifically refers to Panasonic’s high end player.

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And I have been talking to a guy that was testing/reviewing the 9000 and compared it to the 820.
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Wow the 295ES should get utterly destroyed. Why not the JVC N5 vs Sony 695ES? I bet this is a very close battle. Spec wise they're far closer with the N5 getting the edge.
The plan was/is to directly compare all of JVC RS1000/NX5/N5, JVC RS2000/NX7/N7, SONY 295/270ES, and SONY 695/570ES, with each other... Wherein I was intending on starting with the JVC RS1000/NX5/N5 vs SONY 295/270ES... So are you saying I should simply not bother with the SONY 295/270ES?
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The plan was/is to directly compare all of JVC RS1000/NX5/N5, JVC RS2000/NX7/N7, SONY 295/270ES, and SONY 695/570ES, with each other... Wherein I was intending on starting with the JVC RS1000/NX5/N5 vs SONY 295/270ES... So are you saying I should simply not bother with the SONY 295/270ES?
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It's your comparison so you can of course do whatever you want

If it were me, I think that I'd start with a 695ES vs N5 comparison. If the N5 faired well or beat the 695ES, I'd probably just comment that the 295 is the 695 with less lumens and way worse contrast and be done. Obviously if the N5 is better than a 695ES (and we don't yet know it is), then it's also better than a 295ES so all that time can be saved. I realize 295 and N5 seem like obvious comparisons due to price, but feature wise:
N5 more lumens than 695
N5 more contrast than 695
N5 and 695 have similar lens

New series, from what I see is much more Sony like (calmer image, better out of the box tone, sharper, great motion, hardly any noticeable iris operation including benefits and pumping). I bet N5 motion is superior (RS3000 was best motion I've ever seen).

The rest of the things you'd compare between 695ES and N5 would directly apply to 295ES vs N5 (fan noise, lag, link times etc). Reality creation is same on 695 and 295.

So yea, if it were me, I'd skip the 295ES entirely. Unless the 695ES trounced the JVC. Then I might see how JVC compared to 295.
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It's your comparison so you can of course do whatever you want

If it were me, I think that I'd start with a 695ES vs N5 comparison. If the N5 faired well or beat the 695ES, I'd probably just comment that the 295 is the 695 with less lumens and way worse contrast and be done. Obviously if the N5 is better than a 695ES (and we don't yet know it is), then it's also better than a 295ES so all that time can be saved. I realize 295 and N5 seem like obvious comparisons due to price, but feature wise:
N5 more lumens than 695
N5 more contrast than 695
N5 and 695 have similar lens

New series, from what I see is much more Sony like (calmer image, better out of the box tone, sharper, great motion, hardly any noticeable iris operation including benefits and pumping). I bet N5 motion is superior (RS3000 was best motion I've ever seen).

The rest of the things you'd compare between 695ES and N5 would directly apply to 295ES vs N5 (fan noise, lag, link times etc). Reality creation is same on 695 and 295.

So yea, if it were me, I'd skip the 295ES entirely. Unless the 695ES trounced the JVC. Then I might see how JVC compared to 295.
Nah, I'm going to do both. It's more thorough and it will be useful to log the data with respect to the 295/270ES... Furthermore, I am killing two birds with one stone, because I have a client who specifically is wanting to know the results of a comparison between the JVC RS1000/NX5/N5 vs the SONY 295/270ES because these are the 2 projectors that he has short-listed

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Those are the Panasonic profiles. Here let me simplify it for you. See attached.
Per the very instructions you linked, you must use the JVC projector's remote to select Picture Mode/Color Profile. Those two new profiles are in the JVC's firmware. It's my understanding that those color profiles are written specifically for the Panasonic UB9000.

If Panasonic and JVC designed them to work with the 820 then I suspect the press release would have mentioned it.

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Mike sent the instructions. They are real easy and on the firmware upgrade part of the JVC site.


Right. I’ve done the upgrade. I’m asking what you’re setting everything up as. Unless you’re saying that is what Mike sent and not just how to do the upgrade. I could be missing what you’re saying.
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Actually that should be the way it supposed to be implemented. Imagine different source requires different tinkering to get the best possible picture quality. What works for one movie does not mean it will translate well to another title. If you ask me, I say this is perfectly normal.


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This is not between movies. This is on the same movie and simply switching between profiles. If I’m using a custom setting profile, it should stay with the settings I’ve given it, especially if I’m simply switching between profiles to see which looks better.
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I’m not talking about the Panasonic profiles. It’s new JVC projector profiles designed to work with the UB9000. Read the press release linked earlier. Mark
I truly believe that you've been continually spreading misinformation on this topic by making your definitive statements regarding the incompatibility of the UB820 to coordinate with the new JVC color profiles. I had a lengthy conversation with Robert Zohn this afternoon and he was ABSOLUTELY UNcertain as to whether or not the UB820 was compatible, but he suspected that it WOULD operate similar to the UB9000 at that single remap point. He told me that, surprisingly, no one at JVC had yet commented to him regarding the UB820's 500 nit tone mapping capability, but that he was hoping to get a definitive answer at the upcoming demo.

Although he went on to be enthusiastic about the UB9000's tone mapping option at 350 nit and wider coverage of the color space because it engages the JVC's color filter, he admitted that the 500 nit remap was brighter and likely preferable in some HT settings using JVC lamp driven PJs. As I posted earlier today, Chad B. and I looked at HDR material from the UB820 yesterday and he found that the HL setting had considerably better "pop" than the BL setting when paired with my NX7. Additionally, Chad commented that, in his opinion, the additional coverage of the color gamut when using the color filter (BL) did not provide any subjective "real world" viewing improvement compared with the HL setting and it had the additional drawback of projecting a somewhat dimmer image.
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This is not between movies. This is on the same movie and simply switching between profiles. If I’m using a custom setting profile, it should stay with the settings I’ve given it, especially if I’m simply switching between profiles to see which looks better.

Oh yes, pardon me for misreading. Yes, you are right it does seems to be annoying but still as long as you set the settings for the particular movie you are watching and switching profile is what most of us will do “at the beginning stage” to see any significant difference between the different profiles. But once we are happy, we don’t do that. Just stick to the preferred profile choice and make any changes to suit the content you are watching at that moment.



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Per the very instructions you linked, you must use the JVC projector's remote to select Picture Mode/Color Profile. Those two new profiles are in the JVC's firmware. It's my understanding that those color profiles are written specifically for the Panasonic UB9000.

If Panasonic and JVC designed them to work with the 820 then I suspect the press release would have mentioned it.

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The profiles you are are loading into the JVC are the Panasonic profiles.
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Can anyone with Lucy 4K and the new firmware, new settings for the projector test to see if your panni 820 is breaking up the picture. Buffers seem to be overwhelmed, i think on the Panni. Setting the Panni to the recommended settings from JVC.
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Per the very instructions you linked, you must use the JVC projector's remote to select Picture Mode/Color Profile. Those two new profiles are in the JVC's firmware. It's my understanding that those color profiles are written specifically for the Panasonic UB9000.

If Panasonic and JVC designed them to work with the 820 then I suspect the press release would have mentioned it.

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Give it a break would you. I’m not saying you’re wrong and I’m not saying you’re right. Let’s stop the standing on a soap box until we determine the facts.

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I did the upgrade and changed the settings. On the 820 they work well and I am not sure why people are not going crazy over this because. I will tell you what, with my RS2000, Stewart Screen and DCR Lens (only reason I say all this is because I think it is the combo) with the new firmware and the 820 holy crap.....I would not watch anything on my Sony A1 with the picture I have with this. Kills my DLP like crazy, which it should at 5 times as much cost.
Awesome! I've got to stop watching the Player's Championship and get off my can and update my firmware on the JVC.
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Oh yes, pardon me for misreading. Yes, you are right it does seems to be annoying but still as long as you set the settings for the particular movie you are watching and switching profile is what most of us will do “at the beginning stage” to see any significant difference between the different profiles. But once we are happy, we don’t do that. Just stick to the preferred profile choice and make any changes to suit the content you are watching at that moment.



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Yup yup. I can do it, but it’s super annoying. I’ll prolly stick with those settings throughout the HDR range of content I watch.
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Awesome! I've got to stop watching the Player's Championship and get off my can and update my firmware on the JVC.


I’d reeeeeally like to know what his settings are. I think he misunderstood my question.
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Thanks for pic - as a hard core shutterbug WOW, huge difference. It would make somewhat sad if own the lesser lens.

Quick question and sorry if it's been discussed to death; I have not followed this thread at all: Besides the lens and the 8k shift capability of RS3000, what else contributes to the significant $10k difference in MSRP between RS2000 and RS3000?



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Thanks for pic - as a hard core shutterbug WOW, huge difference.
Quick question and sorry if it's been discussed to death; I have not followed this thread at all: Besides the lens and the 8k shift capability of RS3000, what else contributes to the significant $10k difference in MSRP between RS2000 and RS3000?

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Besides the lens and the 8k shift capability of RS3000, what else contributes to the significant $10k difference in MSRP between RS2000 and RS3000?
Mainly the native contrast difference: 100,000:1 for the rs3000 vs 80,000:1 for the rs2000. Given that they have roughly the same brightness, it should mean better blacks for the rs3000.
The better lens might also mean better ANSI contrast, but that hasn't really been confirmed AFAIK.
I think the last difference is the rs3000 is THX and the rs2000 isn't, but that only really matters if you don't calibrate or even set-up the projector. I'm not sure what it brings, apart from deactivation of a few options.

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Mainly the native contrast difference: 120,000:1 for the rs3000 vs 80,000:1 for the rs2000. Given that they have roughly the same brightness, it should mean better blacks for the rs3000.
The better lens might also mean better ANSI contrast, but that hasn't really been confirmed AFAIK.
I think the last difference is the rs3000 is THX and the rs2000 isn't, but that only really matters if you don't calibrate or even set-up the projector. I'm not sure what it brings, apart from deactivation of a few options.
Since when does the RS3000/NX9 have 120,000:1 native ON/OFF contrast?

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Per the very instructions you linked, you must use the JVC projector's remote to select Picture Mode/Color Profile. Those two new profiles are in the JVC's firmware. It's my understanding that those color profiles are written specifically for the Panasonic UB9000.

If Panasonic and JVC designed them to work with the 820 then I suspect the press release would have mentioned it.

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Give it a break would you. I’m not saying you’re wrong and I’m not saying you’re right. Let’s stop the standing on a soap box until we determine the facts.
The Pana_PQ_BL color profile works perfectly with the Panasonic UB820

EDIT: Actually both the Pana_PQ_HL and Pana_PQ_BL work fine with the UB820

I have just tested and confirmed this

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Since when does the RS3000/NX9 have 120,000:1 native ON/OFF contrast?

Oops thanks, typo corrected.

Still, 100,000:1 is better than 80,000:1, so it’s worth mentioning I think
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Be aware that size isn’t everything. As often is the case in camera lenses the bigger the glass doesn’t always mean the lens is better. It will no doubt pass more light which is commensurate with its larger aperture but to assume it is a better lens as far as mtf may be premature. Often the smaller aperture lens ends up being the sharper lens. It’s much more difficult to get great performance from a larger aperture lens and it usually results in a very costly lens. This may be the results here but to assume the larger size means a better lens may not be correct.
Edit: I’m not saying the NX9 lens isn’t good but I’m saying let’s look it over. Is it a great lens or has it been compromised to provide good performance and maximum light transmission?

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Mainly the native contrast difference: 100,000:1 for the rs3000 vs 80,000:1 for the rs2000. Given that they have roughly the same brightness, it should mean better blacks for the rs3000.
The better lens might also mean better ANSI contrast, but that hasn't really been confirmed AFAIK.
I think the last difference is the rs3000 is THX and the rs2000 isn't, but that only really matters if you don't calibrate or even set-up the projector. I'm not sure what it brings, apart from deactivation of a few options.
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Oops thanks, typo corrected.

Still, 100,000:1 is better than 80,000:1, so it’s worth mentioning I think
It's precisely the same identical chipset / video panel in both the JVC RS3000/NX9 and JVC RS2000/N7. Any difference in contrast is exclusively due to the different lenses, with the lens that features within the JVC RS3000/NX9 being slightly higher contrast.

However, I consider the jury to be out with respect to whether or not there is in reality a 20% difference in contrast performance between the JVC RS3000/NX9 and JVC RS2000/N7. I will be measuring a bunch of units so will be able to offer multiple data points towards confirming this one way or the other. But even if the difference is 20%, whilst this is indeed better, so worth mentioning, because the perception of contrast is approximately logarithmic, most people will be hard pressed to tell the difference as far as black levels are concerned. In other words, a contrast difference greater than 20% is usually required to yield a perceivable difference in black levels.

And the THX aspect is just sprinkles

Hence, really the primary benefits / differences boil down to: (1) the eShift 8K; and (2) the superior lens, as being what you are really paying for with the extra 10,000 bucks

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