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post #9271 of 14012 Old 04-09-2019, 01:36 PM
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Wow! I sit about 12 feet from my 120" screen and feel plenty close. I couldn't imagine being that close. BTW, how would you avoid interfering with the picture (casting your shadow on the screen)?
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You sit 4' from a 135" diagonal 16:9 screen?
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Lol talk about eye strain - that’d give someone neck strain! My screen is about 135” at max size - sitting at 4’ would likely make me nauseous!
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I dug around and found an old picture from August of last year.



Don't worry. The speakers are now significantly upgraded, I'm ordering some actual home theater recliners, and the black velvet for the walls and ceiling is on the UPS truck out for delivery right this very moment.

Here's the panorama of the room as I had it arranged during the 2018 DOTA TI tournament (plus a LAN party for us):



You can see the front couch is at 3' in the panorama. Nobody complained. It worked great for esports. Since this photo, I've re-organized quite a bit. The desks back of the room have been completely re-organized to take up less space; the subwoofers are no longer in precarious locations, etc. The room has improved a lot already, but soon it will be perfect. The theater seats I'm getting are modular so I can re-arrange the room to be more of a living room configuration when I want; also accommodate the DOTA International every year.

More photos to come when the velvet is up and the NX7 has been put through its paces.

Edit: The other thing is I do plan to try zooming my screen size down to 100" diagonal or even smaller to see how much brightness I gain. I'll have extra velvet left over when the room is done, so I'll make masking panels out of that. For movies, I can do a 100" 2.39:1 screen and for games/esports I can do 135" 16:9 screen if I want. So far, however, 2.39:1 looks fine even at full size.

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When my NX7 arrives I'll do a review and include photos. It's funny. For eSports I actually put the front seat at 3' and cram extra seating into the room. If I sit at 15' in my third row, I feel slightly sad.
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For those in this thread wanting to know where they can see these JVC projectors compared against each other and two competing models from Sony, I thought I'd drop in to let everyone know about the JVC and Sony shootout event we are holding later this month in Colorado. The shootout is being hosted by myself and Kris Deering (here's a link to the dedicated thread: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...o-springs.html.) Obviously an excellent opportunity for anyone interested to compare the following projectors side by side:

Sony VPL-VW995ES - Sony's laser projector with the ARC-F lens, MSRP $34999
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JVC DLA-RS3000 - JVC's top of the line bulb based projector with premium lens and 8K upconversion, MSRP $17999
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WHEN: April 27th and 28th, 2019, 1-6 pm, with a tentative "pre-party" and get-together the evening of Friday, April 26 6-9 pm probably at my house. Friday night would be an opportunity to hear a JBL Synthesis Immersive Surround System, plus our Speaker Shootout Winner the Revel Salon2, plus see the JVC DLA-RS3000 in action.

As mentioned, Sound and Vision technical editor and calibrator extraordinaire Kris Deering will be in town to properly set up all the projectors for the event. Depending on his schedule, he may also be available to calibrate your own personal display during his stay.

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They sure are. The rest of us are thinking 4k is good enough and we wonder if we'll ever really see any improvement with 8k. Wombats on the other hand can't wait for 64K to come out.
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They sure are. The rest of us are thinking 4k is good enough and we wonder if we'll ever really see any improvement with 8k. Wombats on the other hand can't wait for 64K to come out.
Although yes it is technically true that I could benefit from 8k at this distance and size, I've decided 4k is where it stops for me. 1080p does great already even at this distance. 4k should look amazing. But I think even at 4' to 10' the benefits of 8k will provide diminishing returns. I expect my NX7 will likely be the last projector I ever buy; unless Variable Refresh Rate technology from HDMI 2.1 tempts me with its siren call.
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Received my free lamp today from JVC Canada. Took about three weeks from when I mailed the form.

Also watched Guardians of the Galaxy 2 in 4K over the weekend. The combination of the Panasonic 820 and the new JVC firmware had it looking spectacular. Still deeply in love with my NX7.
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I am 12FT from my 110" To each there own
We're at 10.5' back from our 100" 16:9 screen and that is plenty close. I picked up our RS2000 today and mentioned I just pulled a Sony 385ES out of service. I was told the RS2000 is going to look mighty bright and I may have to clamp down the iris a bit. We'll see this weekend.
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Although yes it is technically true that I could benefit from 8k at this distance and size, I've decided 4k is where it stops for me. 1080p does great already even at this distance. 4k should look amazing. But I think even at 4' to 10' the benefits of 8k will provide diminishing returns. I expect my NX7 will likely be the last projector I ever buy; unless Variable Refresh Rate technology from HDMI 2.1 tempts me with its siren call.
I would love to have a wager on that, been there said that before
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NX7/RS2000 on the way!

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Anyone in the LA area with an RS2000/NX7 that i could take a look at? It would really appreciate since it would help a lot in my next projector purchase decision
My dealer called me yesterday to tell me that my NX7/RS2000 will be shipped on Thursday. I can show you once it's on the ceiling.

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My dealer called me yesterday to tell me that my NX7/RS2000 will be shipped on Thursday. I can show you once it's on the ceiling.

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Much appreciated! I'll definitely take a look, thank you so much!!
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I’m about 9.5-10ft from my 135” 16:9. For me, this is the sweet spot for both sound and vision.


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Just wondering besides contrast, what are the main differences between the NX5 and NX7? I see that it has 100 more lumens, but does that actually make any difference in the real world? Any other major differences besides the contrast numbers?


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Probably not really 100 more lumens. The way it works is JVC rounds. So lets say a panel tests out a little better and comes around 1870 lumens. This is a 1900. Another tests at 1830 lumens. This is an 1800. The difference is probably not even noticeable real world.

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To the above I must agree....especially given the price being asked for by "you know who" for the "you know what".


The comments by @markmon1 about the 5040ub are both unwarranted and inaccurate.....at least as I see them because I've used that PJ for some substantially sized Screens and sharpness was exceptional and the Blacks were / are in fact as good as anything a NX5 provides. They seem to be a bit too much about a personal take and bias....something one can understand coming from a JVC owner. Again, the choices in PJs being driven by price points can be weighed by using a Value-added mentality. Beyond that it becomes a strictly personal preference owing to the well known fact that many purchase "High" because they feel it will / must assure them of their desired results.


I'll tell ya sumpthin....if such was actually the case, there would be about a 1000 fewer posts on this Thread.
There's no bias. Epson is simply unimpressive. Sure maybe the 5040 or whatever has blacks on par with the N5, but the 5040 isn't even native 4K. The competing unit to the 5040 is the RS540. And the Rs540 at least destroys the Epson in blacks. As I said, the Epson is not terrible at anything but its also not great at anything. It's out classed in every one of its strengths by something else.

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It's also worth noting that screen door effect is more prominent on LCD than on DLP, and more prominent on DLP than LCoS. It's just an inherent issue with LCD that the pixels can't be as close to each other as the mirrors on DLP or the pixels on LCoS.

Also, is ~9.5' considered close? I have a 135" diag (9.83' wide) 16:9 and I always sit in my front row at 4' and let my friends sit at my second row at 10'. Especially for 2.39:1 films, it's really not that bad; don't even have to turn my head. I don't even have my NX7 yet and 1080p is just fine at 4'. I always look at these pictures of home theaters with the front row at ~12-15' and wonder... Why get a big screen if you aren't going to use it?
I'm 7 feet from my 135". I could go up to 6' but my head makes a shadow at that point. How do you manage 4 feet from that screen without your head blocking part of the image?

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Here is an off the wall question. I received my NX9 with a nice big scratch on the case. A bit of a disappointment. I have been offered a credit by JVC, but given this is a brand new 18k projector and I have to look at it everyday I am not happy with this solution. Does anyone know if the case is removable? Back in the old days when I had a Sony G90 CRT. I took the case off an had the local paint shop do a nice black gloss looking paint job done on it. It seriously looked great, kinda like the old generation JVC projector black glossy looking cases? I am considering doing this if the case is easily removable? If not I am pushing for a replacement.
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Here is an off the wall question. I received my NX9 with a nice big scratch on the case. A bit of a disappointment. I have been offered a credit by JVC, but given this is a brand new 18k projector and I have to look at it everyday I am not happy with this solution. Does anyone know if the case is removable? Back in the old days when I had a Sony G90 CRT. I took the case off an had the local paint shop do a nice black gloss looking paint job done on it. It seriously looked great, kinda like the old generation JVC projector black glossy looking cases? I am considering doing this if the case is easily removable? If not I am pushing for a replacement.
How's the performance of your projector? It would suck to get something with worse convergence or focus or maybe a little bit more fan noise but was still "in spec" just because of a case scratch.

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How's the performance of your projector? It would suck to get something with worse convergence or focus or maybe a little bit more fan noise but was still "in spec" just because of a case scratch.

I don't have it installed yet, but its not just a little scratch. Its deep and about 7 inches long. Very noticeable. Not desirable on a new 18k projector.

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I don't have it installed yet, but its not just a little scratch. Its deep and about 7 inches long. Very noticeable. Not desirable on a new 18k projector.
Right, but they're offering you some money back so I doubt it's costing you $18k. If your unit turns out to be perfect, good chance you swap it for one that's less than. All I'm saying is you may want to consider testing it before rejecting it due to cosmetics on the case. I guess its up to each person to decide what's most important.

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I'm 7 feet from my 135". I could go up to 6' but my head makes a shadow at that point. How do you manage 4 feet from that screen without your head blocking part of the image?
I'm in a fairly short room and the front row is a lower height seat. The seat itself is about 15" off the ground.



Head height in my front row is really more around the height of that guy's chest. I could probably lower the screen a bit more actually. For 2.39:1 content, I sometimes shift the image down to the bottom of the screen.

The second row is up on long legs; will be replaced with Seatcraft backrow-height recliners with built-in risers.
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I'm in a fairly short room and the front row is a lower height seat. The seat itself is about 15" off the ground.



Head height in my front row is really more around the height of that guy's chest. I could probably lower the screen a bit more actually. For 2.39:1 content, I sometimes shift the image down to the bottom of the screen.

The second row is up on long legs; will be replaced with Seatcraft backrow-height recliners with built-in risers.
Well kudos. You're at least benefiting from native 4K I honestly would push up closer than 7 feet if I could.

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I don't have it installed yet, but its not just a little scratch. Its deep and about 7 inches long. Very noticeable. Not desirable on a new 18k projector.
I'm sure that scratch can be easy fix. I'm curious if you have a pic of it.
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Has anyone here used an anamorphic lens with an NX9?

I have heard very different opinions on whether an anamorphic lens is beneficial or not. Some quite strongly say that it introduces noise and ruins picture quality. The majority, I would say, seem to believe that if you do it right, it's massively beneficial.

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Here is an off the wall question. I received my NX9 with a nice big scratch on the case. A bit of a disappointment. I have been offered a credit by JVC, but given this is a brand new 18k projector and I have to look at it everyday I am not happy with this solution. Does anyone know if the case is removable? Back in the old days when I had a Sony G90 CRT. I took the case off an had the local paint shop do a nice black gloss looking paint job done on it. It seriously looked great, kinda like the old generation JVC projector black glossy looking cases? I am considering doing this if the case is easily removable? If not I am pushing for a replacement.
On the previous generation the lid and 2 sides were pretty easy to remove and basically decorative trims, under them was a metal chassis with a tin cover over all the crucial parts. I don't know how the new models are constructed but if it were similar it might not be a difficult DIY replacement (skill level dependent). You could ask JVC to comment on how hard it is and whether they could free issue the parts to you for DIY install, or for your dealer to install (assuming they are local and not mail order).
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My NX7 arrived yesterday. Didn’t start setup yet though. Maybe tonight.

Pitch black room, 135” Cima Neve screen, 16’ throw.

What’s the popular settings on the projector to make sure to initially set for best picture quality and operation now? Apple TV 4k, Kaleidescape Strato, and an Xbox One X are my sources.


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I don't have it installed yet, but its not just a little scratch. Its deep and about 7 inches long. Very noticeable. Not desirable on a new 18k projector.
I would use it while I waited for them to send me my new projector.

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It's also worth noting that screen door effect is more prominent on LCD than on DLP, and more prominent on DLP than LCoS. It's just an inherent issue with LCD that the pixels can't be as close to each other as the mirrors on DLP or the pixels on LCoS.

Also, is ~9.5' considered close? I have a 135" diag (9.83' wide) 16:9 and I always sit in my front row at 4' and let my friends sit at my second row at 10'. Especially for 2.39:1 films, it's really not that bad; don't even have to turn my head. I don't even have my NX7 yet and 1080p is just fine at 4'. I always look at these pictures of home theaters with the front row at ~12-15' and wonder... Why get a big screen if you aren't going to use it?


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I'm 7 feet from my 135". I could go up to 6' but my head makes a shadow at that point.

How do you manage 4 feet from that screen without your head blocking part of the image?
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I don't have it installed yet, but its not just a little scratch. Its deep and about 7 inches long. Very noticeable. Not desirable on a new 18k projector.
Maybe something to consider, maybe ???
What about a JVC Decal over the Scratch ???
A quick call and or E-Mail and you can bet JVC will be sending you a bunch with different sizes.
That's what I would do if it was mine and ????????????????

If it works Perfect as it Should ???

I would much prefer that to the exchange with the (Shipping) issues that have been reported !!!

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Has anyone here used an anamorphic lens with an NX9?

I have heard very different opinions on whether an anamorphic lens is beneficial or not. Some quite strongly say that it introduces noise and ruins picture quality. The majority, I would say, seem to believe that if you do it right, it's massively beneficial.

Would be curious to hear if anyone has actually done it?
Over on the $20,000 forum there are some threads of people using the DCR Paladin (like Craig Peer) and they will give you first hand experience of that lens.

The only negative thing that I'm aware of with using the DCR lens with the new 4K JVCs is they don't have all the scaling modes necessary if you want to leave the lens in place and squish content to 16:9. if you're going to remove the lens for 16:9 then it's not an issue. If you use a normal Paladin or ISCO lens, I think those scaling modes all work for the UHD res rather than the DCI res. The DCR lens is designed to use the JVCs full panel width which is a little greater than the usual UHD res (DCI 4K is 4096 x 2160 while UHD is 3840 x 2160)

I've been using A lenses for many years, and they don't add noise or anything detrimental to the image - in fact they can reduce image noise (if it's already there) because the pixels are made smaller and so will the image noise. If you're using a poor scaler to do the vertical stretch for geometry correction then that may add noise, but the lenses themselves don't - they just optically stretch or compress the image content. Most projectors that can do the scaling to stretch the content with the lens in place do a good artefact free job in my experience.

There are two basic type of lens, those that horizontally expand the image, and those that vertically compress the image. The VC lenses always increase the lumens, but the HE ones will depend on where the pj is in it's zoom range using the zoom method vs using the lens, so the results can vary - in my case I get no increase in lumens at all. That doesn't concern me because I've only ever used A lenses for the increased pixel density they provide.
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Right, but they're offering you some money back so I doubt it's costing you $18k. If your unit turns out to be perfect, good chance you swap it for one that's less than. All I'm saying is you may want to consider testing it before rejecting it due to cosmetics on the case. I guess its up to each person to decide what's most important.
If there is a "good chance" that any given new JVC NX series projector may have quality control problems, especially something as expensive as an NX9, the risk seems too great. One would think that performance, price and quality would be related, but apparently that is not true. "Hoping" to receive a projector that functions to specifications is problematic. It seems the NX series is an esoteric, delicate product that is best purchased from a local dealer with the accompanying premium that would entail, even considering the 3-year replacement warranty.

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