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I said the same thing and was labeled a "troll" for pointing out that fact. JVC basically sold him a blemished, "factory second", it's not even "B stock".

Frankly no one is going to give him anywhere near what his projector is worth with this kind of physical damage. He would take a tremendous financial hit on the "used" market, if he were even able to sell it.
If you're going to reference me calling you out, at least get what I called you out for straight, and don't lie about it.

I said you were trolling because of your long history of whining in an owners thread about an item you don't own and will not own. And specifically, in the post I quoted you tried to claim the depreciation aspect as two separate and distinct issues. You went out of your way to try and make it look worse than it was.

That said, my apologies for the terminology used.
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All this talk of aspect ratio reminded me of when I watched Aquaman UHD blu-ray last week. Its AR switch between 2.35 and 1.78 often, with 1.78 being the most prevalent. My screen is a 16x9 so it simply switched between letter boxed and full screen. With a 2.35 screen what is the effect of having the movie do this switching?
If you use an a-lens, you don't even know it switched. If you zoom then you would see the additional image outside of your screen.
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All this talk of aspect ratio reminded me of when I watched Aquaman UHD blu-ray last week. Its AR switch between 2.35 and 1.78 often, with 1.78 being the most prevalent. My screen is a 16x9 so it simply switched between letter boxed and full screen. With a 2.35 screen what is the effect of having the movie do this switching?
I generally deal with these on a case by case basis. There really aren't many out there (2 Hollywood films in the last year shift ARs to my recollection). My default is to watch them in 1.78:1. If I know the movie is simply opening the matte up for IMAX like MI:Fallout, I mask it since it will be identical to how I saw it in the theater. Nolan's films have different framing for scope in the theater (it's not simply an open matte). So those I watch 1.78:1. Really as long as you've got your 1.78:1 picture where you want it (mine is as large on my scope screen as it was on the old screen), it won't be a big deal to watch it this way. Other than the annoying shifts and letterbox bars. Same basic experience as a 1.78:1 screen user has.

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If you zoom then you would see the additional image outside of your screen.
Not with digital masking.
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All this talk of aspect ratio reminded me of when I watched Aquaman UHD blu-ray last week. Its AR switch between 2.35 and 1.78 often, with 1.78 being the most prevalent. My screen is a 16x9 so it simply switched between letter boxed and full screen. With a 2.35 screen what is the effect of having the movie do this switching?
If you are sitting at a typical distance from your 16:9 screen then it's going to be roughly the same experience for someone with a 2.35 screen - all of the content will be in the central 16:9 area of the screen which should be about the same size as your 16:9 is.

As an IMAX enhanced film though it's actually meant to be seen much larger so both your typical 16:9 user and 2.35 user are compromising the intended experience unless they scoot up close to the screen.
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Not with digital masking.
However, in the case of Aquaman at least, when in the 1.78 mode there was what I thought was worth while information at both the top and bottom of the screen. Given that most of the movie is at 1.78 (only short sequences are 2.35) I really wouldn't want to watch this film at 2.35.

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There's a couple things to add. For most there is a limit to how large they want things, so no matter what AR you decide on this is will be a factor. I could sit closer to my screen, but I definitely don't want to. Also this isn't about prioritizing an AR as much as it is making the AR that fits your viewing preferences work in your space.
Ok that's fine. Nothing in my philosophy says you can't move your seats forward or backward to increase or decrease the size of the image in your field of view. My front row is at 4' but my middle row is at 10'. If I was optimizing only for the front row I would get a 77" OLED and call it good. I wouldn't even bother with a projector.

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A 1.78:1 (16:9) screen will always compromise a wider AR. Directors don't shoot in 2.0:1, 2.20:1 or 2.35:1 to have their film seen smaller than a 1.78:1 television program. So if your primary goal is to watch films, a wider aspect ratio screen helps recreate the artistic intent of the filmmaker.
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The problem is no matter how much masking you do, watching wider AR material on a narrow AR screen is going to greatly diminish it's impact.
I don't see how that can possibly be true if you use velvet curtains to mask the screen. I'm certainly not compromising anything in my theater with my 16:9 screen. I'm pretty sure about that. I even lens-shift 2.39:1 content down to the bottom of my 16:9 screen to bring it to a better viewing height. I'm failing to see what I'm missing out on that the director intended.

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Because your seating and screen ratio is set to the narrower AR screens height which wider AR material is not filling. It's roughly the equivalent of moving from the middle of the theater to the back row when a scope film is shown.
Not true if you're already horizontally constrained anyway. In your previous example, the room accommodated a 96" wide screen no matter what the aspect ratio. 2.39:1 content is the same width and height on a 96" wide 16:9 screen as it would be on a 96" wide 2.39:1 screen.

In a vertically constrained room, the inverse is true. The 16:9 content is the same size on a 54" tall 16:9 screen as it is on a 54" tall 2.39:1 screen.

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Now depending on your preferences that may be just fine. But it's important for people to think not of the measurements but what percentage of my field of view does my intended content fill? Am I happy with that? Sure measurements are important and there are certainly rooms where they will dictate certain compromises.
Absolutely. Nothing in my philosophy disagrees with this. Sufficient brightness, and the ability to move seating forward or backward are two important variables that my philosophy does not compromise on.

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But the approach to determining what AR you want shouldn't start with I have x' by y' so I choose AR z.
If you care about screen size, the approach absolutely starts with the question "which AR covers the most surface area on my wall?". Then you narrow down your options based on brightness and other constraints we've spoken about earlier. If screen size was not the primary reason to get a projector, I would have bought a 77" OLED over a year ago (or kept my 65" LCD) and would never have even come to this forum.

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All this talk of aspect ratio reminded me of when I watched Aquaman UHD blu-ray last week. Its AR switch between 2.35 and 1.78 often, with 1.78 being the most prevalent. My screen is a 16x9 so it simply switched between letter boxed and full screen. With a 2.35 screen what is the effect of having the movie do this switching?
if you run a CIH +IMAX set up, then you watch everything as CIH on a 16:9 screen but with semi permanent masking so it's pretty much just a scope screen and scope and 16:9 etc are the same height. When you get an aspect changing movie, you can take the top and bottom masking off and see the additional fluff and filler.

If you are just running a 2.40 screen, then as others have said, the fluff and filler appears above and below the screen or you can crop it with digital cropping or if you're using an anamorphic lens it's no longer part of the image.

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if you run a CIH +IMAX set up, then you watch everything as CIH on a 16:9 screen but with semi permanent masking so it's pretty much just a scope screen and scope and 16:9 etc are the same height. When you get an aspect changing movie, you can take the top and bottom masking off and see the additional fluff and filler.

If you are just running a 2.40 screen, then as others have said, the fluff and filler appears above and below the screen or you can crop it with digital cropping or if you're using an anamorphic lens it's no longer part of the image.
Guess I'll just stick with my 16:9 setup and not worry about the letter boxing with wide screen presentations. I'm really not enough of a movie buff to invest in an anamorphic lens, or fussing with changing things for different movies.

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Guess I'll just stick with my 16:9 setup and not worry about the letter boxing with wide screen presentations. I'm really not enough of a movie buff to invest in an anamorphic lens, or fussing with changing things for different movies.
Ah OK. It just strikes me as an odd thing to say when people spend a lot of money on their equipment but then say they're not a movie buff and don't care about presentation.
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All this talk of aspect ratio reminded me of when I watched Aquaman UHD blu-ray last week. Its AR switch between 2.35 and 1.78 often, with 1.78 being the most prevalent. My screen is a 16x9 so it simply switched between letter boxed and full screen. With a 2.35 screen what is the effect of having the movie do this switching?


Yea that’s why I decided to get a 140” 16:9. Some of the content I watch has variable aspect ratios.


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I have to agree with wombats as someone who is also horizontally constrained. I get no benefit by going to a 2.39 setup other than losing height. My movies would be no wider and the few tv shows or 1.78 movies I watch would be much smaller. I run all my movies off Madvr as it is with some black bar reduction. So I still have some black bars for wide content but not as much.
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I'm not in a rush to get it, so not that concerned. I just want to know if they got my form or not. Who did you contact?
Yea same with me lol. I called JVC corporate and then they transferred me over to somebody who told me that.
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Guess I'll just stick with my 16:9 setup and not worry about the letter boxing with wide screen presentations. I'm really not enough of a movie buff to invest in an anamorphic lens, or fussing with changing things for different movies.
The JVC has an internal masking system, so you don't see the black bars if you don't want to. Just adjust the masking to your screen and activate when watching a movie with switching aspect ratios....with a scope screen that is.

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The JVC has an internal masking system, so you don't see the black bars if you don't want to. Just adjust the masking to your screen and activate when watching a movie with switching aspect ratios....with a scope screen that is.
I assume it's a digital mask. They aren't physically blocking light from leaving the lens, correct? I looked at the manual but it did not clarify.
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Beware the 5 stars and 2400 reviews. That just means the common man likes how easy it was to set up the screen with their BenQ HT2050A. My 1.1 white gain Silver Ticket screen certainly was easy to set up and it looks great to my eyes, but I bought it before I knew I was spending more than $1000 on a projector and before 45 yards of black velvet showed up at my doorstep. You and I are in $6k+ MSRP territory now. Who knows what kinds of black magic happens with screen material at this point? I assume Silver Ticket will do just fine but people rave about all of these 2.0+ gain and $2000+ screens, so maybe there is something worth looking into? Somebody suggested getting material samples; I think that's a good idea. I haven't done that yet.

While I wait for my NX7, I'm borrowing a Mitsubishi HC7800D from a friend and am using it with my Silver Ticket 1.1 135" 16:9 screen. It works great, but the projector is not exactly bright (15fL compared to 32fL on the NX5 or NX7). I usually forget how dim it is during movies. I watch 4k movies on it using MadVR down-scaling and tone mapping. It looks beautiful. I've considered swapping out my 1.1 white material for 1.5 material, but I'll wait to see how the NX7 looks first. Maybe after testing the sample materials I'll go for one of these more expensive high-gain screens.

Again I strongly recommend getting the 2.39:1 aspect ratio if your wall is much wider than it is tall. The only reason I went with 16:9 is because my room is more box shaped and the wall is 100"x139.5". My 118" wide screen leaves just enough room for my speakers to be sufficiently far away from the walls.
Silver Ticket looks okay, until you see the image on a good screen and realize that what you are seeing on the Silver Ticket is screen texture.
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As per below link, it can't be the cable. Cables don't have versions.

"In fact, there are only four cable designations that are legitimate and recognized by the HDMI organization." Good thing I didn't rush to buy HDCP 2.2 certified cable.

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Yes, but a cable rated high speed, even saying it handles 18Gbps, does not mean it will work for you. Often times those cables were tested using a computer, shooting higher voltage than the 5/6 volts that HT gear provides. So while it worked for the computer test gear, it fails when you try to use it with HT equipment. If you need less than 30', then buy a premium certified cable. That is a cable that has been tested with HT equipment. If you need longer than that, then there are options that have been tested and approved by some of the projector manufacturers.
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Yep, I never noticed it.
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However, in the case of Aquaman at least, when in the 1.78 mode there was what I thought was worth while information at both the top and bottom of the screen. Given that most of the movie is at 1.78 (only short sequences are 2.35) I really wouldn't want to watch this film at 2.35.
Aquaman frames beautifully to a constant 2.35. Scope is the only option on the 3d version as well.
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As per the attached picture, I get these vertical lines that expand past the zoom & focus when Oppo 203 goes into Screen Saver. Anyone else experiencing?
I turned off screen saver. Did not duplicate with Oppo 103's screen saver.

However, I got the same issue twice:
1) When I turn on NX5 before oppo 203
2) I am considering the kaleidescape, but I am limited to the HDMI input of the Oppo (Because I have Vanity AES -> Trinnov) and I thought I read that the Oppo input does not accept True HD in the input so not believing everything I read I tried the Oppo 103 with bitstream True HD into the 203 and it worked. Yay! Anyway, in this set up when I first clicked the HDMI input on the Oppo remote I got the lines. Did not duplicate going back & forth to the Oppo screens.

Should I email JVC, my dealer? IS there a firmware. Am I the only one experiencing this?
Is it the cable? I have a High end 24awg Super HDMI cable. But it is from 2013. I can simply buy an Amazon Basics 4k certified cable just to see if I can duplicate with the screen saver. (My cable is snaked behind wall and all organized behind my rack it is PITA to switch wire so want to verify first.)

Cannot get rid of the lines unless I reboot the NX5. Tried detaching the HDMI cables, switching inputs, etc.

To me, this feels like an HDMI issue, but I'd expect if you go to HDMI2 then back to HDMI1 that would resolve itself. What if instead of powering the projector yoru power cycle the oppo and/or the receiver. I'd say if you can get this to go away by power cycling other equipment not the projector then it's not the projector.

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I need some help from the brains trust.

I am going on Saturday to Absolute Hifi here in Sydney to demo the JVC N5 and the Epson 5050UB. I don't know what the set-up will be: whether they've been calibrated, will they have 3D available, etc, but what I want advice on is what are some suggestions for discs to demo.

I want suggestions for DVD, Blu-Ray, 4k, and 3D. Discs that test overall picture quality, motion, ghosting(3D), and clarity. I don't know that I will have time or capability to test individual scenes for things like blooming and such, but am just getting a sense of the overall viewing experience of the two projectors.

I am really wanting to get the JVC N7, but am facing that old question of "if the Epson is close to the quality of the JVC, do I buy the cheaper Epson and spend the saved money on an upgrade to Atmos receiver and screen improvement? The N7 is nearly 2 and a half times the cost of the Epson.

Options: 1) get the Epson now, then upgrade to a second or third generation 4K JVC in several years time.

2) get the JVC now and save for the Atmos and screen later.

3) Get a JVC 7900 ( although no stores seem to have these in stock anymore, and despite claims JVC were keeping this line, they don't seem to be making more. The available 7000 models are so expensive I might as well buy an N5.

What do you think? (Either projector should be a major step up from my 14 year old Epson and give me 3D).

Anyway, what discs do you suggest? Don't mention Lucy as I don't have that in any format yet. I have about 2500 movies with about half dvd and the other half mostly blu-ray but with an growing amount of UHD.

Thanks.
I'd go with the RS540/x7900 now and upgrade sound to full atmos, as long as you're talking at least 5.1.4. 5.1.2, 7.1.2 is sort of worthless. There are used RS500 or greater projectors for sale also. Those might be a great way to pick up a more modern eshift JVC for real cheap to get you through 1-2 more years.

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The JVC has an internal masking system, so you don't see the black bars if you don't want to. Just adjust the masking to your screen and activate when watching a movie with switching aspect ratios....with a scope screen that is.
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I assume it's a digital mask. They aren't physically blocking light from leaving the lens, correct? I looked at the manual but it did not clarify.
The masking is digital. It doesn't actually block out any light. The masks are the same as your black bars. If it was a physical mask, that'd be pretty awesome. We could automate that stuff and everything.

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I assume it's a digital mask. They aren't physically blocking light from leaving the lens, correct? I looked at the manual but it did not clarify.
Exactly.

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Ok that's fine. Nothing in my philosophy says you can't move your seats forward or backward to increase or decrease the size of the image in your field of view. My front row is at 4' but my middle row is at 10'. If I was optimizing only for the front row I would get a 77" OLED and call it good. I wouldn't even bother with a projector.
That front row is nice and close So where do you mainly sit?
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All this talk of aspect ratio reminded me of when I watched Aquaman UHD blu-ray last week. Its AR switch between 2.35 and 1.78 often, with 1.78 being the most prevalent. My screen is a 16x9 so it simply switched between letter boxed and full screen. With a 2.35 screen what is the effect of having the movie do this switching?
The effect in my HT is I scream at the nicompoop director who decided that he (or she) had to switch aspect ratios in the middle of the frickin' movie.
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I'm not following. Don't you have to engage the internal masking system, or switch to a different lens memory which hast the masking engaged, every time the 2.35:1 aspect comes on? And then switch back when the 16:9 IMAX scenes come back?
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I'm not following. Don't you have to engage the internal masking system, or switch to a different lens memory which hast the masking engaged, every time the 2.35:1 aspect comes on? And then switch back when the 16:9 IMAX scenes come back?
No, you use the masking if you want to watch the entire film in 2.35:1 and just mask out the content that would appear above and below the screen when the aspect ratio changes. In many (most?) cases this reproduces what was seen in the cinematic release at theaters.
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