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What makes you think there will be a next gen soon?

JVC usually announces new product at CEDIA in Sept. Rarely do they announce new product two years in a row for the same model. My guess is the only new projector at CEDIA in Sept will be an update to the 3 year old RS4500 which is in a completely different price range than the N7 or N9.

JVC is still working on new firmware and trying to produce 2019 products. It will be a long wait for a new generation of the N5,N7,N9 series.
Wasnt RS500, RS520, RS540 exactly 1 year apart each?
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I'm looking for a discrete IR code for the HDR picture mode for the N7? Thats the one that I miss. Dies anybody have this? Or RS232?

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Here are the input codes for JVC:
68 Switches to "CINEMA" in Picture Mode
69 Switches to "FILM" in Picture Mode
6A Switches to "NATURAL" in Picture Mode
6C Switches to "USER1" in Picture Mode
6D Switches to "USER2" in Picture Mode
6E Switches to "USER3" in Picture Mode
CA Switches to "USER4" in Picture Mode or TV
CB Switches to "USER5" in Picture Mode or Game
CC Switches to "USER6" in Picture Mode
6F Switches to "THX" in Picture Mode

They usually don't add an input what they do is replace one for another. So HDR might replace THX, BT2020 might replace Film something like this.

If you're good with RS232 codes, you can use the PMPM code and HDR is "04":
The raw hex: 21 89 01 50 4D 50 4D 30 34 0A
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I have one other silly question for the community. I was on the first pre-order, and again, am just opening the box to get things rolling. Anything I SHOULDNT do?
You shouldn't leave it in the box once you get it, you should check it out right away for any type of damage. You shouldn't examine your projector's picture with black slides and such, you should watch normal content and enjoy it for a while, then maybe examine it

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I am close to cancelling my N7 order as well as again it has been postponed to April 30th. This is (including my NX9 preorder which I cancelled somewhere around February about the 6th or 7th shift in delivery. As we are getting closer to the next gen I might keep my X7000 up and running for now and wait for autumn either for an N70 or NX90 (with laser).
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You'll be amazed on how good it looks on standard bluray. 1080p rec709 signal is more "plug and play" then 4K HDR and with no big adjustments you'll have an amazing image. I suggest to use the "Natural" preset on the Jvc it is something to be seen to believe it.
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I am close to cancelling my N7 order as well as again it has been postponed to April 30th. This is (including my NX9 preorder which I cancelled somewhere around February about the 6th or 7th shift in delivery. As we are getting closer to the next gen I might keep my X7000 up and running for now and wait for autumn either for an N70 or NX90 (with laser).
If you keep cancelling your order you will never get one! I love my RS2000, one amazing projector. I would guess that nothing drastically new would be released this fall with the late release of these projectors.

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I’ve had the N5 for few weeks now and I’m really impressed by it. However I’m having a rather weird issue with it. Sometimes, after using it for a while, the screen will get full of these weird artifacts, kinda like vertical lines with weird colors. It usually happens when the pu switches between different video modes, but today
It also suddenly happened while I was just browsing the UB820 menu. The JVC menu also becomes royally messed up. First I thought it’s an issue with my receiver/HDMI cable, but the problem persists even when unplugging the HDMI cable from the projector. The menu is still messed up big time.

Shutting down and instantly repoweting the projector always fixes the issue, which to me sounds like a software bug instead of defect in hardware.

I’m running in low lamp mode, and the projector is running very cool, not hot air around the pj at all, so I don’t think it’s overheating either.

I attached a photo where you can easily see the visual artifacts as well as how the jvc menu looks like.

Anyone seen anything like this or have any ideas? This is my first projector so I’m kinda lost and am running out of ideas what might cause this.
I'm having the very same issue with N9 soi far only happened one time, after switching from SDR to HDR content but the lamp only has 25 hours on it. Shutting down and instantly repoweting the projector fixes the issue. Should i call for warranty or is it something that will disappear with use?
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Yep I am getting the vertical lines also. Sounds like bug



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I'm having the very same issue with N9 soi far only happened one time, after switching from SDR to HDR content but the lamp only has 25 hours on it. Shutting down and instantly repoweting the projector fixes the issue. Should i call for warranty or is it something that will disappear with use?

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Here are the input codes for JVC:
68 Switches to "CINEMA" in Picture Mode
69 Switches to "FILM" in Picture Mode
6A Switches to "NATURAL" in Picture Mode
6C Switches to "USER1" in Picture Mode
6D Switches to "USER2" in Picture Mode
6E Switches to "USER3" in Picture Mode
CA Switches to "USER4" in Picture Mode or TV
CB Switches to "USER5" in Picture Mode or Game
CC Switches to "USER6" in Picture Mode
6F Switches to "THX" in Picture Mode

They usually don't add an input what they do is replace one for another. So HDR might replace THX, BT2020 might replace Film something like this.

If you're good with RS232 codes, you can use the PMPM code and HDR is "04":
The raw hex: 21 89 01 50 4D 50 4D 30 34 0A
Thanks. I already got most of them and will try the HDR code.
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I'm having the very same issue with N9 soi far only happened one time, after switching from SDR to HDR content but the lamp only has 25 hours on it. Shutting down and instantly repoweting the projector fixes the issue. Should i call for warranty or is it something that will disappear with use?
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I'm having the very same issue with N9 soi far only happened one time, after switching from SDR to HDR content but the lamp only has 25 hours on it. Shutting down and instantly repoweting the projector fixes the issue. Should i call for warranty or is it something that will disappear with use?
I contacted my dealer about it who contacted JVC, and JVC is at least replacing my N5. I guess only time will tell if it's only a software bug that will be fixed or something else. If it was a software bug, I would assume to hear more reports about it though.

PS. Just to clarify, I didn't even ask for a replacement, I just wanted to inform them of the issue and hear if JVC is aware of it. It kind of surprised me when I was contacted that the projector will be replaced.
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I contacted my dealer about it who contacted JVC, and JVC is at least replacing my N5. I guess only time will tell if it's only a software bug that will be fixed or something else. If it was a software bug, I would assume to hear more reports about it though.

PS. Just to clarify, I didn't even ask for a replacement, I just wanted to inform them of the issue and hear if JVC is aware of it. It kind of surprised me when I was contacted that the projector will be replaced.
My guess is this means JVC is not aware of it so it's not currently being worked on. Also suspect the replacement wont solve it. Do you have an oppo? So far only one person has indicated an oppo was involved in reproduction.

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My guess is this means JVC is not aware of it so it's not currently being worked on. Also suspect the replacement wont solve it. Do you have an oppo? So far only one person has indicated an oppo was involved in reproduction.
For what it means i've had the issue with an Oppo.
Since i have also other players i will test more. I'm a bit worried, hope is not an hardware issue.

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My guess is this means JVC is not aware of it so it's not currently being worked on. Also suspect the replacement wont solve it. Do you have an oppo? So far only one person has indicated an oppo was involved in reproduction.
Nope, don't have Oppo. I've had this happen with all sorts of different devices (ATV, Panasonic UB820, Nvidia Shield, ...). There was also another report in this thread where the guy said he had the same bug and it had happened to him with Nvidia Shield.

I've also tried unplugging my AV receiver (Denon AVR X4500H) from the N5 when the bug happens / switching to another HDMI input, etc. But nothing fixes the bug expect rebooting the projector. It definitely sounds like the issue is not in the source.

EDIT. I should get the replacement in a week or so, I'll be sure to report if the bug still happens after that. I've now used the projector for few days without it happening, so might take a while to say for sure that it doesn't happen (at worst it's happened twice during one day).

EDIT2. Also like I said in some earlier post, this usually happens when switching either source or picture mode with N5. But I've also had it happen once or twice when there was no source or picture more switch.

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I’ve been using my nx5 for 2 months now with an oppo 205 and never had any issues like this.
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I also have an RS1000 I've been using with a shield, HTPC, and a Sony X700 - no issues so far like the one being described.
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Does anyone know if JVC is trying to iron out bugs still on our projectors? It seems there were a lot of initial firmwares released but after 2.01 / 2.04 it's very silent on that front? Anyone with some insider information? Especially interesting would be if they plan to do anything about the gamma yellowing.

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So, I thought they were supposed to be working on the slow startup times?

It seems like the longer I have the projector, the longer they get on average. Early on it was a 1:10 - 1:40 probably on average. Now 2 - 3 min. is more the norm. Had a couple near 5 minute startups in there.

On 2.01 (I think, whatever the most recent one on the site is).

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Does anyone know if JVC is trying to iron out bugs still on our projectors? It seems there were a lot of initial firmwares released but after 2.01 / 2.04 it's very silent on that front? Anyone with some insider information? Especially interesting would be if they plan to do anything about the gamma yellowing.

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What bugs? People often confuse bugs with HDMI issues, or other device issues that are connected to the projector.


Like I said I haven’t had a single hiccup with any of the devices, although I’m not using an HDMI receiver.
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Does anyone know if JVC is trying to iron out bugs still on our projectors? It seems there were a lot of initial firmwares released but after 2.01 / 2.04 it's very silent on that front? Anyone with some insider information? Especially interesting would be if they plan to do anything about the gamma yellowing.

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They have only released 1 firmware update, that was 2.01 and that was in March 15th.

Firmwares take time to develop and test and certify and all that before being released. I wouldn't expect new firmwares any more than every 1-2 months apart. It's only been a month since the last firmware release, just be patient lol.

I've had my NX5 for 2 months now and I haven't had any issues. I don't think there are any really significant problems they need to fix super fast.
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What bugs? People often confuse bugs with HDMI issues, or other device issues that are connected to the projector.


Like I said I haven’t had a single hiccup with any of the devices, although I’m not using an HDMI receiver.
The gamma yellowing is a pretty serious bug. It was discussed much earlier in the thread, and supposedly JVC was aware and working on a fix. Now I am not so sure anymore. This is what I want to know, since pretty much everyone seem to be affected by this, regardless of the model. Not sure about the N5 thought, might be different since the lamp iris is not included? I am not myself affected by slow startup times. I'm at around 1 minute. Wasn't it determined that this was much about individual lamp variation?

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So, I thought they were supposed to be working on the slow startup times?

It seems like the longer I have the projector, the longer they get on average. Early on it was a 1:10 - 1:40 probably on average. Now 2 - 3 min. is more the norm. Had a couple near 5 minute startups in there.

On 2.01 (I think, whatever the most recent one on the site is).
You are not alone, though longest for me has been 3:45 so far. Also on latest firmware.
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They have only released 1 firmware update, that was 2.01 and that was in March 15th.



Firmwares take time to develop and test and certify and all that before being released. I wouldn't expect new firmwares any more than every 1-2 months apart. It's only been a month since the last firmware release, just be patient lol.



I've had my NX5 for 2 months now and I haven't had any issues. I don't think there are any really significant problems they need to fix super fast.
Since I got my N7 there was 1.16, 1.17, 1.19, 1.20, 1.21...2 01, 2.04

Im pretty sure not all of them are just "language updates" . We know the 1.16 (or maybe it was 1.17) fixed the original DI iris not working properly, but this one was never officially added to any JVC download sites.

I am patient But still would like to know, or have it confirmed that JVC recognizes the iris gamma yellowing as a bug and plan to fix it with firmware. That being said, I appreciate JVC supporting and working on firmware updates for our new projectors. Something most companies do not do at all, or extremely slowly.

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Wasnt RS500, RS520, RS540 exactly 1 year apart each?
Those were such minor updates / improvements ( and basically the same projectors ), most people that had figured out work arounds for HDR didn't bother to replace their RS500's, until the RS2000's came out.
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Those were such minor updates / improvements ( and basically the same projectors ), most people that had figured out work arounds for HDR didn't bother to replace their RS500's, until the RS2000's came out.
With the exception of low lag mode starting with the x20 models, I agree. Low lag mode was a BIG addition for gamers though and something that JVC owners had been asking for since the RS1 first hit. Low lag was probably the thing that pushed me over into buying my RS520.
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Nope, don't have Oppo. I've had this happen with all sorts of different devices (ATV, Panasonic UB820, Nvidia Shield, ...). There was also another report in this thread where the guy said he had the same bug and it had happened to him with Nvidia Shield.

I've also tried unplugging my AV receiver (Denon AVR X4500H) from the N5 when the bug happens / switching to another HDMI input, etc. But nothing fixes the bug expect rebooting the projector. It definitely sounds like the issue is not in the source.

EDIT. I should get the replacement in a week or so, I'll be sure to report if the bug still happens after that. I've now used the projector for few days without it happening, so might take a while to say for sure that it doesn't happen (at worst it's happened twice during one day).

EDIT2. Also like I said in some earlier post, this usually happens when switching either source or picture mode with N5. But I've also had it happen once or twice when there was no source or picture more switch.
Apart from the vertical lines that only happened one time so far (and rebooting make them disappear) i often have this "flicker" in the OSD usually after few minutes from cold boot, the image is perfect only the osd if called has this flicker. Rebooting solves this issue, too. Here's a video of what i experience.

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I sure hope JVC comes up with some kind of alternative to HDR content that is missing MAXCLL/MAX FALL metadata. I am fine with some decent "best guess" (which is pretty much what we're getting when it's auto tone mapping anyway, it seems), but it would be cool for those of us that don't want to have to fine tune the large amount of content with missing metadata to just get an acceptable compromise. I have been fine with the auto-tone mapping - at least, I've been impressed with the image and nothing has stood out as needing major adjustment.

Content without the metadata is all over the place, though. "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2" looked very dark and I feel like I'm turning into a Best Buy showroom employee cranking up the picture level until the color starts popping. It turns into a shoulder-shrug when it comes to what was intended and I end up just playing with settings until I think it looks good. I tried watching "The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina" on Netflix and with the HDR(PQ) Gamma setting and the three adjustment sliders at 0, the image was super dark. I knew the show was dark, but this was a little too much. I ended up getting pretty aggressive with that Picture adjustment to get things looking like I thought they should. I am almost settling around the suggested settings JVC had provided for HDR content using Gamma D on the RS500.

Every UHD disc I've tested with the auto tone mapping seem to make very minor adjustments to the Picture/Bright Level/Dark Level settings. I think the most drastic change was one title where the RS2000 set the Bright Level to 4, otherwise I might see it move a slider up or down one level on 1-2 settings. Is there anything else going on internally beyond changes to those three settings? It was odd to me how little adjusting it often does, yet when I put in something like "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2", I find myself making major adjustments.
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I sure hope JVC comes up with some kind of alternative to HDR content that is missing MAXCLL/MAX FALL metadata. I am fine with some decent "best guess" (which is pretty much what we're getting when it's auto tone mapping anyway, it seems), but it would be cool for those of us that don't want to have to fine tune the large amount of content with missing metadata to just get an acceptable compromise. I have been fine with the auto-tone mapping - at least, I've been impressed with the image and nothing has stood out as needing major adjustment.

Content without the metadata is all over the place, though. "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2" looked very dark and I feel like I'm turning into a Best Buy showroom employee cranking up the picture level until the color starts popping. It turns into a shoulder-shrug when it comes to what was intended and I end up just playing with settings until I think it looks good. I tried watching "The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina" on Netflix and with the HDR(PQ) Gamma setting and the three adjustment sliders at 0, the image was super dark. I knew the show was dark, but this was a little too much. I ended up getting pretty aggressive with that Picture adjustment to get things looking like I thought they should. I am almost settling around the suggested settings JVC had provided for HDR content using Gamma D on the RS500.

Every UHD disc I've tested with the auto tone mapping seem to make very minor adjustments to the Picture/Bright Level/Dark Level settings. I think the most drastic change was one title where the RS2000 set the Bright Level to 4, otherwise I might see it move a slider up or down one level on 1-2 settings. Is there anything else going on internally beyond changes to those three settings? It was odd to me how little adjusting it often does, yet when I put in something like "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2", I find myself making major adjustments.
That is one movie that has looked spectacular on 4K UHD blu-ray ever since Chad B calibrated my projector. Even with fixed Arve's curves, no dynamic tone mapping and prior to getting the DCR lens etc. I'd say a calibration might help ?
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I sure hope JVC comes up with some kind of alternative to HDR content that is missing MAXCLL/MAX FALL metadata. I am fine with some decent "best guess" (which is pretty much what we're getting when it's auto tone mapping anyway, it seems), but it would be cool for those of us that don't want to have to fine tune the large amount of content with missing metadata to just get an acceptable compromise. I have been fine with the auto-tone mapping - at least, I've been impressed with the image and nothing has stood out as needing major adjustment.

Content without the metadata is all over the place, though. "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2" looked very dark and I feel like I'm turning into a Best Buy showroom employee cranking up the picture level until the color starts popping. It turns into a shoulder-shrug when it comes to what was intended and I end up just playing with settings until I think it looks good. I tried watching "The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina" on Netflix and with the HDR(PQ) Gamma setting and the three adjustment sliders at 0, the image was super dark. I knew the show was dark, but this was a little too much. I ended up getting pretty aggressive with that Picture adjustment to get things looking like I thought they should. I am almost settling around the suggested settings JVC had provided for HDR content using Gamma D on the RS500.

Every UHD disc I've tested with the auto tone mapping seem to make very minor adjustments to the Picture/Bright Level/Dark Level settings. I think the most drastic change was one title where the RS2000 set the Bright Level to 4, otherwise I might see it move a slider up or down one level on 1-2 settings. Is there anything else going on internally beyond changes to those three settings? It was odd to me how little adjusting it often does, yet when I put in something like "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2", I find myself making major adjustments.
Your best bet is to run some movies with similar metadata to the Disney movies and record what the JVC uses in auto tone mapping, then when loading the Disney movie use those settings. There is a spreadsheet floating around with the Disney metadata values (measured using madvr) somewhere, I will link it if I find it. The other option is run madvr (HTPC with rips) or when the Envy (madvr box no rips) becomes available get one of those. They measure the movie on the fly and tone map dynamically and require no user intervention.

Edit: heres a sheet, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1677456743
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