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That is one movie that has looked spectacular on 4K UHD blu-ray ever since Chad B calibrated my projector. Even with fixed Arve's curves, no dynamic tone mapping and prior to getting the DCR lens etc. I'd say a calibration might help ?
I don't doubt a calibration would help somewhat - I've ran this PJ enough where I will probably give the autocal a try. Guardians does look like what I'd call "spectacular" after I crank up the gamma settings (and similar to what I recall it looking like on the RS500 with JVC's recommended settings). Not sure if it's "right", though. The content with metadata does not look as noticeably off, though, even when I tried something supposedly mastered at the same levels. Sticking in demo material like "Lucy" and "The Shallows" results in a pretty pleasing image. I'm sure calibration could make those look even better, but since I had just spent some time trying to use those two to tweak settings with the RS500, I was pretty pleased with the out-of-the-box results.

Tone-mapping sounded great as far as a "plug and play" option for those of us that are ok with "close enough". When the solution relies on data missing from a large portion of the UHD titles and streaming services, though, and there does not seem to be any real backup plan beyond going back to custom curves or just finding some "average" settings. These Oppo and Panasonic players seemed to figure out some compromise (and I would use the Oppo if it weren't for it's issues with BT.2020). I hope a future fw update from JVC could help bridge the gap.
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Your best bet is to run some movies with similar metadata to the Disney movies and record what the JVC uses in auto tone mapping, then when loading the Disney movie use those settings. There is a spreadsheet floating around with the Disney metadata values (measured using madvr) somewhere, I will link it if I find it. The other option is run madvr (HTPC with rips) or when the Envy (madvr box no rips) becomes available get one of those. They measure the movie on the fly and tone map dynamically and require no user intervention.

Edit: heres a sheet, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1677456743
Thanks a lot for the link! I'm going to give that a try later.
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I'm having the very same issue with N9 soi far only happened one time, after switching from SDR to HDR content but the lamp only has 25 hours on it. Shutting down and instantly repoweting the projector fixes the issue. Should i call for warranty or is it something that will disappear with use?
I had the issue appear on my RS2000 a number of times while calibrating. First was a bunch of different color vertical lines, then the third or fourth time it was mainly a blue/gray screen with thin vertical blue lines. The menus display fine, but no picture. The last time happened just while watching a movie <80 hours.

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The gamma yellowing is a pretty serious bug. It was discussed much earlier in the thread, and supposedly JVC was aware and working on a fix. Now I am not so sure anymore. This is what I want to know, since pretty much everyone seem to be affected by this, regardless of the model. Not sure about the N5 thought, might be different since the lamp iris is not included? I am not myself affected by slow startup times. I'm at around 1 minute. Wasn't it determined that this was much about individual lamp variation?
I have an RS-1000 and the yellowing is definitely present with all of the sources when using the DI. You can also see other color changes, for example original Blade Runner red title letters or the original Star Wars scrolling yellow letters. I also consider it a serious bug and have reported it to JVC a while ago and they did say they were aware of it and working on a fix but it seems like it has been a long time since it was first reported here. No startup issues for me, I think it’s around a minute.
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Wasnt RS500, RS520, RS540 exactly 1 year apart each?
Just about 1 year, yep. Makes you wonder what will happen here in the future since these new models where late.....
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I have an RS-1000 and the yellowing is definitely present with all of the sources when using the DI. You can also see other color changes, for example original Blade Runner red title letters or the original Star Wars scrolling yellow letters. I also consider it a serious bug and have reported it to JVC a while ago and they did say they were aware of it and working on a fix but it seems like it has been a long time since it was first reported here. No startup issues for me, I think it’s around a minute.
There has only been one major update since they acknowledged this issue and it appears to have already been in development when that occurred. We haven't yet had a complete firmware development/release cycle since the issue came up. I'm hopeful it'll be in the next update.

I've also noticed it's not occurring all sources. I do see it on my Xbox and Chromecast but not on content from my Panasonic UB9000 UHD player.
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There has only been one major update since they acknowledged this issue and it appears to have already been in development when that occurred. We haven't yet had a complete firmware development/release cycle since the issue came up. I'm hopeful it'll be in the next update.

I've also noticed it's not occurring all sources. I do see it on my Xbox and Chromecast but not on content from my Panasonic UB9000 UHD player.
I don’t have the UB9000 but I do see it on UB820.
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The gamma yellowing is a pretty serious bug. It was discussed much earlier in the thread, and supposedly JVC was aware and working on a fix. Now I am not so sure anymore. This is what I want to know, since pretty much everyone seem to be affected by this, regardless of the model. Not sure about the N5 thought, might be different since the lamp iris is not included? I am not myself affected by slow startup times. I'm at around 1 minute. Wasn't it determined that this was much about individual lamp variation?

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I’m sure my nx5 has it, I don’t really notice it. The picture is awesome no matter what I watch, I really could care less!
Life is short, I have 3 kids that keep us very busy and when I do sit down to watch something I say wow to myself all the time. That’s my measure of how good this pj is. Nothing is going to be perfect!


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I have an RS-1000 and the yellowing is definitely present with all of the sources when using the DI. You can also see other color changes, for example original Blade Runner red title letters or the original Star Wars scrolling yellow letters. I also consider it a serious bug and have reported it to JVC a while ago and they did say they were aware of it and working on a fix but it seems like it has been a long time since it was first reported here. No startup issues for me, I think it’s around a minute.
Have you updated to the latest firmware and if not, what firmware are you running now ?
I don't see any yellowing on my RS1000 _ I have my iris closed all the way down _ don't know if that makes a difference...
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I’m sure my nx5 has it, I don’t really notice it. The picture is awesome no matter what I watch, I really could care less!
Life is short, I have 3 kids that keep us very busy and when I do sit down to watch something I say wow to myself all the time. That’s my measure of how good this pj is. Nothing is going to be perfect!


Enjoy your projector man!
That is completely the wrong attitude to have. If you buy a new car with a fancy new turbo design that hasn't had the kinks all worked out yet, and it causes a significant percentage of new cars to leak oil badly after ~25k miles (happened recently to a major car manufacturer), do you just enjoy your car because nothing is going to be perfect? Hell no. You make sure you get the repairs fixed under warranty and get the manufacturer to explain why they should deserve your business ever again in the future.

It's entirely possible you don't have the yellowing issue, and I hope that is the case, but it's definitely not something to just put up with.
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That is completely the wrong attitude to have. If you buy a new car with a fancy new turbo design that hasn't had the kinks all worked out yet, and it causes a significant percentage of new cars to leak oil badly after ~25k miles (happened recently to a major car manufacturer), do you just enjoy your car because nothing is going to be perfect? Hell no. You make sure you get the repairs fixed under warranty and get the manufacturer to explain why they should deserve your business ever again in the future.

It's entirely possible you don't have the yellowing issue, and I hope that is the case, but it's definitely not something to just put up with.
He said he cant notice the problem, or any other problem for that matter. Why should he not be satisfied? At this point he would have to make up problems to complain about.
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That is completely the wrong attitude to have. If you buy a new car with a fancy new turbo design that hasn't had the kinks all worked out yet, and it causes a significant percentage of new cars to leak oil badly after ~25k miles (happened recently to a major car manufacturer), do you just enjoy your car because nothing is going to be perfect? Hell no. You make sure you get the repairs fixed under warranty and get the manufacturer to explain why they should deserve your business ever again in the future.

It's entirely possible you don't have the yellowing issue, and I hope that is the case, but it's definitely not something to just put up with.


Dude that’s a lame analogy! But if you want to go with that go right ahead, I’m just glad I’m not a dealer for some of you mofos
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It's entirely possible you don't have the yellowing issue, and I hope that is the case, but it's definitely not something to just put up with.
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He said he cant notice the problem, or any other problem for that matter. Why should he not be satisfied? At this point he would have to make up problems to complain about.
See my self-quote above. My concern is not that he doesn't see the problem in his own hardware, but that he is dismissive of the fact that the problem affects other people and that they should just put up with it.

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Dude that’s a lame analogy! But if you want to go with that go right ahead, I’m just glad I’m not a dealer for some of you mofos
My analogy is quite applicable. The yellowing issue affects some people's units, but not others. Just because you don't experience it doesn't mean people who do experience it should just put up with it. I'm glad you're not my dealer. You wouldn't last as a businessman.
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Have you updated to the latest firmware and if not, what firmware are you running now ?
I don't see any yellowing on my RS1000 _ I have my iris closed all the way down _ don't know if that makes a difference...
I have firmware 2.01 installed and iris wide open.
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See my self-quote above. My concern is not that he doesn't see the problem in his own hardware, but that he is dismissive of the fact that the problem affects other people and that they should just put up with it.



My analogy is quite applicable. The yellowing issue affects some people's units, but not others. Just because you don't experience it doesn't mean people who do experience it should just put up with it. I'm glad you're not my dealer. You wouldn't last as a businessman.
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I'm quite chill, believe me. I won't be stuck with a projector with a yellowing DI defect, so I'm not at all worried. My dealer will take good care of me.
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Official JVC RS3000/NX9 - JVC RS2000/NX7/N7 - JVC RS1000/NX5/N5 - Owners Thread

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This was caused by Motion Enhance set to low, creating a ghosting artifact from overdriving the panels.

Hey all. I have what I believe to be a new NX series image artifact that I would like to report and perhaps have others check out to confirm / diagnose / etc.

I noticed that on a particular scene in X-Men Apocalypse that there is a very noticeable yellow "ghosting" artifact in the image on the JVC NX when it is in either HDR color profile or BT2020 color profile (NX7).

I have confirmed that this image artifact happens both on my NX5 in HDR color profile and in a friends NX7 in BT2020 color profile. Switching the projector to rec709 color profile makes this image artifact go away. Iris is completely open and set to manual.

Here are video clips demonstrating this artifact.

HDR / BT2020 artifact:



In case you can’t tell, the artifact is the yellow spots all over his face, chin, and neck as his head moves up the screen.


rec709 no artifact:


I have recorded the scene on my camera in slo-mo to more easily demonstrate the artifact, but I can assure you its easily visible in full-speed playback too. This artifact happens all over in numerous scenes in this whole section of the film where quicksilver is rescuing people from the explosion.

Here is the source scene clip for you to try yourself:

https://nicko88.com/misc/projector_t...ifact_Test.mkv

This may be something we need to send to JVC to look into.

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Hi everyone. Got my NX9 up and running. So far so good other than I have a dumb question. Currently running it with my Panamorph DC1 lens. Here is goes....I forgot how to setup the screen. Do I do it first with the lens engaged or off the lens? Meaning do I set it up on my 2.35 screen zoom, shift with lens on or off? I cant seem to get the how zoom pattern to fill the screen when its engaged? The furthest right/left side are off on the wall when I get the top and bottom to align. I cant find instructions online anywhere and its been 2 years since I had to do it.
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That is one movie that has looked spectacular on 4K UHD blu-ray ever since Chad B calibrated my projector. Even with fixed Arve's curves, no dynamic tone mapping and prior to getting the DCR lens etc. I'd say a calibration might help ?
If my memory serves me your not a fan of 3D but that movie is also spectacular in 3D! Had my friend over who doesn't care much for 3D. He watched a scene or two on my RS540 and said, "if 3D was more like that in theaters I might of gone more!"

I may double dip and pick up Guardians 2 on UHD. Its a great movie and I want to check out the HDR. Wouldn't be my first movie I have on multiple formats.
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I don't doubt a calibration would help somewhat - I've ran this PJ enough where I will probably give the autocal a try. Guardians does look like what I'd call "spectacular" after I crank up the gamma settings (and similar to what I recall it looking like on the RS500 with JVC's recommended settings). Not sure if it's "right", though. The content with metadata does not look as noticeably off, though, even when I tried something supposedly mastered at the same levels. Sticking in demo material like "Lucy" and "The Shallows" results in a pretty pleasing image. I'm sure calibration could make those look even better, but since I had just spent some time trying to use those two to tweak settings with the RS500, I was pretty pleased with the out-of-the-box results.

Tone-mapping sounded great as far as a "plug and play" option for those of us that are ok with "close enough". When the solution relies on data missing from a large portion of the UHD titles and streaming services, though, and there does not seem to be any real backup plan beyond going back to custom curves or just finding some "average" settings. These Oppo and Panasonic players seemed to figure out some compromise (and I would use the Oppo if it weren't for it's issues with BT.2020). I hope a future fw update from JVC could help bridge the gap.
If I keep my gamma slider settings on 0 for HDR, my RS540 looks dim on some UHD Blurays too. I started out using the slider settings that Tom Norton of Home Theater mag used on the X790 and Ive been loving it. I ended up a few clicks higher even. I say don't worry if they are high. If it looks good it looks good.
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Hey all. I have what I believe to be a new NX series image artifact that I would like to report and perhaps have others check out to confirm / diagnose / etc.

I noticed that on a particular scene in X-Men Apocalypse that there is a very noticeable yellow "ghosting" artifact in the image on the JVC NX when it is in either HDR color profile or BT2020 color profile (NX7).

I have confirmed that this image artifact happens both on my NX5 in HDR color profile and in a friends NX7 in BT2020 color profile. Switching the projector to rec709 color profile makes this image artifact go away. Iris is completely open and set to manual.
On my RS-1000 I can see this issue when playing from HTPC and passing through HDR to the display but it's perfectly fine if I tone map it through madVR.
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On my RS-1000 I can see this issue when playing from HTPC and passing through HDR to the display but it's perfectly fine if I tone map it through madVR.
I get the problem equally whether I'm tone-mapping in the JVC itself or with madVR. The problem manifests itself from using the JVC HDR color profile (NX5 or NX7) or BT2020 color profile (on NX7).

Are you tone-mapping HDR to rec2020 (in madVR calibration tab) and have HDR color profile active on your RS-1000?

Of course if I tell madVR to tone-map to rec709 (in madVR calibration tab) and have rec709 color profile on my NX5 there is no artifact. That's what I'm doing in my 2nd video. It's still HDR tone-mapping in madVR, but I am losing the wide color gamut by doing that which is certainly not ideal.

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I have firmware 2.01 installed and iris wide open.
I still have version 1.20 _ debating whether or not to update to 2.01 _ if it aint broke don't fix it sort of thing.
I know the newest version allows the projector to make use of the new Panasonics' tone mapping tools, but I don't have those players.

I think it was Mark who said, "just because there is a new version of something, doesn't mean one should install it".
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Are you tone-mapping HDR to rec2020 (in madVR calibration tab) and have HDR color profile active on your RS-1000?
I have BT.2020 selected in the madVR calibration tab and HDR color profile in the JVC and I don’t see the artifact.
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I have BT.2020 selected in the madVR calibration tab and HDR color profile in the JVC and I don’t see the artifact.


Well that’s strange then.

Both me and my friend get the same artifact whether sending HDR to the JVC or sending “SDR 2020” to the JVC with madVR.
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I'm quite chill, believe me. I won't be stuck with a projector with a yellowing DI defect, so I'm not at all worried. My dealer will take good care of me.
Are you under the impression that the yellowing DI means your projector is defective? Or you thinking it needs a FW update to solve it? I don't think this warrants a replacement.

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If my memory serves me your not a fan of 3D but that movie is also spectacular in 3D! Had my friend over who doesn't care much for 3D. He watched a scene or two on my RS540 and said, "if 3D was more like that in theaters I might of gone more!"

I may double dip and pick up Guardians 2 on UHD. Its a great movie and I want to check out the HDR. Wouldn't be my first movie I have on multiple formats.
Correct, I don't watch 3D, but I bet GOTG2 would be a great 3D title. I can tell you that the 4K UHD Blu-ray looks spectacular. It's my go to demo disc. I usd it to demo the Panamorph DCR lens. And I used it to test out the Lumagen dynamic tone mapping. That movie just keeps on looking better and better !
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Correct, I don't watch 3D, but I bet GOTG2 would be a great 3D title. I can tell you that the 4K UHD Blu-ray looks spectacular. It's my go to demo disc. I usd it to demo the Panamorph DCR lens. And I used it to test out the Lumagen dynamic tone mapping. That movie just keeps on looking better and better !

Wow you aren’t lying. I’m sure you get asked this a lot but what kind of screen do you have and what’s the size?


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can anybody repost the link to get the free lamp for the N7 from jvc?

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