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About motion enhance artifacts, i'm not a big fan of those controls but i've read many posts that suggests to let Low Latency activated. Why? I think it is something useful only for games but on movies what does it improve?
I replied to you in the other thread. On the new models, low latency doesn't improve latency much if at all. Still, it disables any unnecessary processing, including CMD. It's a good way to limit the chances of having something causing issues. It might also help with HDMI sync times.

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Congrats on your new PJ. Raising contrast to +11 as you did is not a good idea. This isn't the way to make the HDR picture brighter. With auto-tonemapping, try pushing the slider to the right, otherwise use the gamma controls, especially picture tone, to raise the overall brightness of the picture.

Raising brightness the way you did is very likely to clip a lot of detail in highlights and possibly cause discoloration as well. Leave it to zero for best results (assuming HDMI standard / video levels).

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Congrats on your new PJ. Raising contrast to +11 as you did is not a good idea. This isn't the way to make the HDR picture brighter. With auto-tonemapping, try pushing the slider to the right, otherwise use the gamma controls, especially picture tone, to raise the overall brightness of the picture.

Raising brightness the way you did is very likely to clip a lot of detail in highlights and possibly cause discoloration as well. Leave it to zero for best results (assuming HDMI standard / video levels).
I spent just over an hour with the projector total. The Panasonic presets on the JVC do not allow access to the projector tone controls. I did a quick and dirty comparison with the default HDR mode and the Panasonic mode and raising contrast more or less equaled the default HDR/BT2020 profile when using the JVC Panasonic profile. The HDR optimizer on the Panasonic 820 may be a better route here but I simply had no time to go back and forth. There was no visible clipping in Lebowski or 2049 in the brief time I spent. Lighting did not look blown out in either title. I'm sure as I get more familiar with the projector and how it interacts with the 820 most of these settings won't be what I end up with.

The Panasonic is setup for basic Luminance/Projector, HDR/BT.2020, 4:2:2 color, HDR optimizer on.


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About motion enhance artifacts, i'm not a big fan of those controls but i've read many posts that suggests to let Low Latency activated. Why? I think it is something useful only for games but on movies what does it improve?
On test patterns, low latency removed some artifacts that were occurring on quick brown fox. Also, personally for me having low latency on has solved some lip sync issues with certain players and content. From what has been reported there is no negative to having it enabled other than it removing the option to use motion interpolation options.
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I am seeing a lot of posts on delayed delivery times, which seems highly dependent on the dealer. I would like to give a big shout out to Chris at Cleveland Plasma, who was terrific to deal with, and had my RS1000 delivered double boxed within a couple days of ordering. If you are planning to get one of these, definitely give Chris a call!

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I am seeing a lot of posts on delayed delivery times, which seems highly dependent on the dealer. I would like to give a big shout out to Chris at Cleveland Plasma, who was terrific to deal with, and had my NX5 delivered double boxed within a couple days of ordering. If you are planning to get one of these, definitely give Chris a call!
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I spent just over an hour with the projector total. The Panasonic presets on the JVC do not allow access to the projector tone controls. I did a quick and dirty comparison with the default HDR mode and the Panasonic mode and raising contrast more or less equaled the default HDR/BT2020 profile when using the JVC Panasonic profile. The HDR optimizer on the Panasonic 820 may be a better route here but I simply had no time to go back and forth. There was no visible clipping in Lebowski or 2049 in the brief time I spent. Lighting did not look blown out in either title. I'm sure as I get more familiar with the projector and how it interacts with the 820 most of these settings won't be what I end up with.

The Panasonic is setup for basic Luminance/Projector, HDR/BT.2020, 4:2:2 color, HDR optimizer on.
I don't know about Lebowski but there are close to zero highlights in BR 2049 (it almost never goes above 100nits), so not the right title to check for this. Take a title with a lot of highlights, such as The Meg, Starship Troopers, Mad Max Fury Road, Batman vs Superman, any of the last two Harry Potter films, Ghosbusters 2016 or even The Shallows or Pan.

I'm sure that someone who uses the 820 will comment further on best practices with these modes, but I really doubt that raising brightness [edit: typo, meant contrast, obviously] to +11 does any good to your picture. There must be some settings in the panasonic to adjust this, otherwise it's simply not doing what it should be.

When using the JVC tonemapping, I have to move the slider to +3 or +4 to get decent results on my small 88" diag screen. When using madVR, it's never too dark and I have contrast at zero.

So I would look into an alternative way, possibly in the 820, to make the picture brighter (once you have fully opened the iris of course, and possibly after having switched to high lamp if necessary depending on screen size/gain, as these should be the first steps to get close to the target the 820 tonemapping is expecting).
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I don't know about Lebowski but there are close to zero highlights in BR 2049 (it almost never goes above 100nits), so not the right title to check for this. Take a title with a lot of highlights, such as The Meg, Starship Troopers, Mad Max Fury Road, Batman vs Superman, any of the last two Harry Potter films, Ghosbusters 2016 or even The Shallows or Pan.

I'm sure that someone who uses the 820 will comment further on best practices with these modes, but I really doubt that raising brightness to +11 does any good to your picture. There must be some settings in the panasonic to adjust this, otherwise it's simply not doing what it should be.

When using the JVC tonemapping, I have to move the slider to +3 or +4 to get decent results on my small 88" diag screen. When using madVR, it's never too dark and I have contrast at zero.

So I would look into an alternative way, possibly in the 820, to make the picture brighter (once you have fully opened the iris of course, and possibly after having switched to high lamp if necessary depending on screen size/gain, as these should be the first steps to get close to the target the 820 tonemapping is expecting).
It was the contrast that was raised, not brightness. And it is in high lamp. And I will be keeping the iris slightly closed for reasons mentioned. I'll probably try playing with the Panasonic to see what I can do in the optimizer.

Keep in mind the default HDR/BT.2020 mode (which does use Autotonemapping) was compared with the same iris/lamp settings, so it's the Panasonic setting in the JVC that is causing a dimmer image. I'll keep working with it.

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Nice to see that Kris D's review is finally published. As usually an excellent review from a master.
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Then let me speak about people in Europe. I am now entering the 8th (eighth!!!) month of pre-ordering (and prepaying at a discounted price) my rs3000. I have tried contacting directly jvc Europe and never received a response. I see users getting their second and third replacement unit (and rightfully so, if their initial unit was faulty). I have no official date on when will I be receiving, I was not offered an apology or a free bulb just like all North America users do.
Do you think I am dramatic? Would you categorize me as a non-owner user that is a little dramatic?
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You can calculate it based on the first three numbers
08 - 5 = 03 -> March
4 + 5 = 9 -> 2019


Apart from this, it is printed on the box.
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It was the contrast that was raised, not brightness. And it is in high lamp. And I will be keeping the iris slightly closed for reasons mentioned. I'll probably try playing with the Panasonic to see what I can do in the optimizer.

Keep in mind the default HDR/BT.2020 mode (which does use Autotonemapping) was compared with the same iris/lamp settings, so it's the Panasonic setting in the JVC that is causing a dimmer image. I'll keep working with it.
I obviously meant contrast, not brightness, but anyway, you do as you like, it's your projector, I was only trying to flag what seemed like a bad idea, but what do I know

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Do you think I am dramatic? Would you categorize me as a non-owner user that is a little dramatic?
I think perhaps you misunderstood the precise point I was making, but that's okay. I'm sorry you're having such a problem in getting your projector.

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Hey all. Been reading through the thread and have a question.



Currently have an NX7 on "preorder" for awhile now.



I am currently running a JVC RS57 in a light controlled room, throwing onto a 1.0 gain 119" 16:9 ratio screen from about 14.5 feet away. Screen size is set. Projector location is pretty much set (can be changed if necessary). Run through the manual specs and the calculator and looks like I'm good, although I'm going to have to use most of the vertical shift.



I remember reading a few pages back that the unit projects a 17:9 image. Question is about the 17:9 image on the 16:9 screen. So I assume I will always have thin black bars above and below the projected image? Is there anything in the projector that helps to offset this? Or if don't like the bars is the only option to zoom and lose a little on each side?


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On the new models, low latency doesn't improve latency much if at all...

Interesting...I thought other reports had shown an input latency/lag decrease from around 120 msec to around 35 msec when low-latency mode was enabled.


If that isn't true then I should probably cancel my pre-order. Gaming will probably be 30-40% of the use for my RS2000. It was not an enjoyable experience playing games on my old RS500 which didn't have a low-latency mode. If this mode doesn't help then I need to look for something more suitable to my needs.
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Hey all. Been reading through the thread and have a question.



Currently have an NX7 on "preorder" for awhile now.



I am currently running a JVC RS57 in a light controlled room, throwing onto a 1.0 gain 119" 16:9 ratio screen from about 14.5 feet away. Screen size is set. Projector location is pretty much set (can be changed if necessary). Run through the manual specs and the calculator and looks like I'm good, although I'm going to have to use most of the vertical shift.



I remember reading a few pages back that the unit projects a 17:9 image. Question is about the 17:9 image on the 16:9 screen. So I assume I will always have thin black bars above and below the projected image? Is there anything in the projector that helps to offset this? Or if don't like the bars is the only option to zoom and lose a little on each side?


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Your distance is good. The content will still be 16:9 so you just zoom to fit the content on your screen. There will be small black bars projected on the sides of the screen.
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Interesting...I thought other reports had shown an input latency/lag decrease from around 120 msec to around 35 msec when low-latency mode was enabled.


If that isn't true then I should probably cancel my pre-order. Gaming will probably be 30-40% of the use for my RS2000. It was not an enjoyable experience playing games on my old RS500 which didn't have a low-latency mode. If this mode doesn't help then I need to look for something more suitable to my needs.
Its the opposite of what you are thinking, the projector is around 40 ms with low latency on or not, as long as you dont enable frame interpolation, then it goes above 100ms. It isnt like the old projectors where you went fro 100+ to 40 when enabling low latency mode on normal modes without FI.
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Interesting...I thought other reports had shown an input latency/lag decrease from around 120 msec to around 35 msec when low-latency mode was enabled.


If that isn't true then I should probably cancel my pre-order. Gaming will probably be 30-40% of the use for my RS2000. It was not an enjoyable experience playing games on my old RS500 which didn't have a low-latency mode. If this mode doesn't help then I need to look for something more suitable to my needs.
You misunderstand - the latency is already low without low latency mode enabled. Low latency mode just ensures that the one feature which appears to increase latency isn't enabled.
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I just realized that this is probably a motion enhance artifact. It looks very much like LCD panel overdrive to me. Not sure why you didn't see it as you said you tried motion enhance.



I do have my motion enhance on low. But also, FWIW I get the artifact without madVR, with just native Windows 10 HDR video output to the JVC, so it can't be madVR settings to blame. I also don't see it on any other displays even with madVR and my usual settings. I have never used a 3DLUT.



And it's the motion between frames which right there already should rule out madVR as the culprit since madVR has nothing to do with the JVCs panel's pixels transition between frames. The only thing that I can think of that affects the panels between frames like this is motion enhance (panel overdrive).



I'll have to try turning that off when I get home.



Thanks for taking a look Manni.


I had the same thing. Disabling motion enhance fixed it. For me it only happened with madvr tonemapping


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Are there any projector calculators that have these new models in them? The one I typically use hasn’t been updated yet.

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Once again we have a review without a single mention of 3D performance. It's no wonder Disney and the tv manufacturers are killing off the format if it's not even taken seriously by our top reviewers. Sorry Kris, but as a potential buyer of this brand and someone for whom 3D is a major factor in my upgrade decision I find it disheartening to read review after review where the 3D aspect of the projector is either glossed over, ignored, or stated that glasses weren't provided so 3D couldn't be reviewed. I know it's not the main aspect of a projector, but there are many readers on this forum who would dismiss a projector from a short list if it was noted that 3D was sub-par. We depend on reviews and opinions from our fellow forum members to inform our decisions so it's a bit disappointing when review or comparison comes out and a major bit of information is missing. Still, every bit of the puzzle helps. I don't mean to sow discord with this observation. I know a review can't address every issue with a new projector the way a 10,000 page forum can. I, like many other potential buyers on this forum and print-review readers, just want as much info as we can get to make the best choice. Leaving out 3D capabilities in a projector review seems like a big omission. Just an observation, no hard feelings.
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NX7 Throw Distance

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So I have a 2:39:1 cinema scope AT Seymour Center Stage UF 140" diag (55h x 130w) screen. My distance from projector (NX7) to screen is about 16 ft. Am I ok or do I need to move the pj back more. I can probably move it back another foot or so but that would be it. Thanks.

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So I have a 2:39:1 cinema scope AT Seymour Center Stage UF 140" diag (55h x 130w) screen. My distance from projector (NX7) to screen is about 16 ft. Am I ok or do I need to move the pj back more. I can probably move it back another foot or so but that would be it. Thanks.


The manual has distance and screen size calcs ... I would personally rely on that vs advice from forum members :-)


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If you project a pure white image and stand up to the screen, can you make out the pixel grid? Is it clear to make out or sort of blurry? Go to http://www.stewartfilmscreen.com/ and contact them on the website and ask for a free sample of the studiotek G100 material. Then when you get that repeat the test holding up the stewart. On the stewart you will clearly see a pixel grid. You know that it resolves 4K perfectly doing that.

You can possibly use a white piece of printer paper and see the pixel grid that way.

Your screen needs to display that grid or its not resolving all detail.
It’s much clearer on a white piece of paper. Legrand sells replacement screens—HD Progressive. I don’t know what it costs yet though. If it’s close to a Stewart screen in price I may just spring for StudioTek 130 or 100. Not sure the 100 is sold in 110” 16.9.

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Wow, JVC really stands behind the quality of its firmware updates.


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So I have a 2:39:1 cinema scope AT Seymour Center Stage UF 140" diag (55h x 130w) screen. My distance from projector (NX7) to screen is about 16 ft. Am I ok or do I need to move the pj back more. I can probably move it back another foot or so but that would be it. Thanks.
Looks like you should be fine, should be just under 16 feet for your screen size.
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Wow, JVC really stands behind the quality of its firmware updates.


4.Limited Warranty

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JKC DOES NOT MAKE ANY WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. SHOULD THERE BE ANY PROBLEM ARISING FROM OR CAUSED BY THE SOFTWARE, YOU SHOULD SETTLE ALL SUCH PROBLEM AT YOUR OWN COSTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

5.Limitation of Liability

JKC WILL HAVE NO LIABILITY WITH RESPECT TO ITS OBLIGATIONS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT OR OTHERWISE FOR CONSEQUENTIAL, EXEMPLARY, INCIDENTAL OR PUNITIVE DAMAGES EVEN IF IT HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. YOU WILL INDEMNIFY AND HOLD HARMLESS JKC FROM ANY LOSS, LIABILITY OR COSTS ARISING OUT OF OR IN ANY WAY CONNECTED TO CLAIMS FROM ANY OTHER PERSONS RELATING TO THE USE OF THE SOFTWARE.
There should be a law to protect consumers against this kind of nonsense... how can you remove a warranty of merchantability?
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