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Thanks I wasn’t aware of that. actually makes sense now. I’ll have to give it a longer test next time and see if that helps. If not oh well, I’m sure the kids will still watch 3d. There’s plenty of great hdr movies for me to enjoy anyway. Now if I can just figure out a way to watch those damned imax changing aspect movies on my cinescope screen I’ll be all set. I wish discs had an option to disable the feature.
You just set up the masking function on the JVC and you're good to go. Easy.
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You just set up the masking function on the JVC and you're good to go. Easy.
Yup it even automatically applies it per installation mode now. Which reminds me, one more thing to setup.
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I don't know. No manufacturer of cars offers as a standard feature a purple car with leopard skin seats. I know that's an exaggerated analogy, but you get the point.

I mean, when all manufacturers of a given product or service stop offering something, one possibility is that they all colluded. The other possibility (and the more likely IMO in a competitive market with fairly low margins) is that their marketing folks looked at consumer preferences and demand and said, "ya know, not enough people really want this feature to make it worthwhile -- even if we're the only one who continues to offer it. Let's put the money into something else that people will want."

I don't know what happened. I just remember that when it first came out, I told my wife and my law partner that it would never survive in the long run in consumer displays. It's just too funky and too much of a hassle for most folks.
I'm with you on that, i knew it would never catch on but i still think one tv manufacture should included.. Just like receivers.. Not everyone needs one to have get sound some choose just their speakers on their tvs.. For us 5% that like 3D someone should include the option for 3d on their sets.

I still wonder what 4k HDR 3d would had looked like...
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[QUOTE=westmd;57901362]I am close to cancelling my N7 order as well as again it has been postponed to April 30th. This is (including my NX9 preorder which I cancelled somewhere around February about the 6th or 7th shift in delivery. As we are getting closer to the next gen I might keep my X7000 up and running for now and wait for autumn either for an N70 or NX90 (with laser).[/QUOTE]

If expecting that this fall, you are going to be farther disappointed. In fact I doubt it happens fall of 2020.
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? They look spot on to me. Great pics Craig!

Specifically, look at the 5th image, standing alone on the balcony - his head/face looks oval/skinny (IMHO).
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Looks like there is something causing those images to be stretched vertically too much. I thought the RS4500/Panamorph/Lumagen combo would keep that from happening? Or is that just the forum software?
Camera software, computer, forum software, sometimes I hot link photos from Facebook - who knows what everyone is seeing when it's all said and done. It looks correct on the screen though.

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What makes you think there will be a next gen soon?

JVC usually announces new product at CEDIA in Sept. Rarely do they announce new product two years in a row for the same model. My guess is the only new projector at CEDIA in Sept will be an update to the 3 year old RS4500 which is in a completely different price range than the N7 or N9.

JVC is still working on new firmware and trying to produce 2019 products. It will be a long wait for a new generation of the N5,N7,N9 series.
I doubt that happens this fall either.
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Specifically, look at the 5th image, standing alone on the balcony - his head/face looks oval/skinny (IMHO).
Do the other photos look incorrect ? Because they were all shot at the same time. One unfortunate thing is I have to shoot these photos off center ( towards the left side of the screen ), so that may introduce some distortion - or at least make the screen look trapezoidal. Screen shots are at best " for informational purposes only ". I don't have the time to shoot better ones.

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Do the other photos look incorrect ? Because they were all shot at the same time. One unfortunate thing is I have to shoot these photos off center ( towards the left side of the screen ), so that may introduce some distortion - or at least make the screen look trapezoidal. Screen shots are at best " for informational purposes only ". I don't have the time to shoot better ones.

Image 2, her head looks vertically stretched, but that could be the camera angle or the headgear. Anyway, as long as it's right in real life; that is all that matters. I was just curious since you have the stretch/smush hardware.
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I see I have several pages to catch up on, when I get back. My beach view yesterday.
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No worries, you're 100% correct that if the projector is calibrated correctly everything should be zero'd. This was straight out of the box with very limited time just trying to get something watchable. Obviously there is a lot of experimentation to do. After reading Kris Deering's NX9 review I took a little time last night between errands and changed from the Panasonic profile to the HD profile with auto tonemapping enabled. The overall mapping compensation looked best at 2. Contrast is at 0, brightness still seems to be good at -3. Bright corners seem to be fading a bit.
-3 brightness and 0 on contrast sounds much better

Even with a fully calibrated unit, you need to lower brightness to -2 or -3 with most units, otherwise the black floor is raised. All this is detailed in my recommended settings in the new calibration thread
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There is a demo of the RS1000 at Wave Electronics in Scottsdale Arizona today I believe, if any of you are in that neck of the woods. Google them for an address / phone number / information.

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Looks like there is something causing those images to be stretched vertically too much. I thought the RS4500/Panamorph/Lumagen combo would keep that from happening? Or is that just the forum software?
Interesting point, I actually thought the same thing when I took the pictures of some of the same scenes on my RS1000 (no A lens). Specifically in the second image the face looked kind of long, but they are not at the exact same time stamps so I thought maybe it was just a different angle but now comparing all of them again I kind of see some stretch in all of them.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post57912656
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So received my NX5 yesterday. Went to update firmware and says I am on 2.04, latest one is 2.01. Is there a new version that is preinstalled at factory?
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So received my NX5 yesterday. Went to update firmware and says I am on 2.04, latest one is 2.01. Is there a new version that is preinstalled at factory?
Yes. 2.04 is an factory-only release.
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Interesting point, I actually thought the same thing when I took the pictures of some of the same scenes on my RS1000 (no A lens). Specifically in the second image the face looked kind of long, but they are not at the exact same time stamps so I thought maybe it was just a different angle but now comparing all of them again I kind of see some stretch in all of them.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post57912656
Who knows - I shot those when I first got my DCR lens and Lumagen over a year ago, so something may have been off at the time. There was a definite learning curve to getting everything set up and playing nice together.

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Once again we have a review without a single mention of 3D performance. It's no wonder Disney and the tv manufacturers are killing off the format if it's not even taken seriously by our top reviewers. Sorry Kris, but as a potential buyer of this brand and someone for whom 3D is a major factor in my upgrade decision I find it disheartening to read review after review where the 3D aspect of the projector is either glossed over, ignored, or stated that glasses weren't provided so 3D couldn't be reviewed. I know it's not the main aspect of a projector, but there are many readers on this forum who would dismiss a projector from a short list if it was noted that 3D was sub-par. We depend on reviews and opinions from our fellow forum members to inform our decisions so it's a bit disappointing when review or comparison comes out and a major bit of information is missing. Still, every bit of the puzzle helps. I don't mean to sow discord with this observation. I know a review can't address every issue with a new projector the way a 10,000 page forum can. I, like many other potential buyers on this forum and print-review readers, just want as much info as we can get to make the best choice. Leaving out 3D capabilities in a projector review seems like a big omission. Just an observation, no hard feelings.
Just to chime in on 3D. I've had 5 JVC projectors and the 3D had been decent starting with my RX4910 and then the RS500 was a big step up. It sounds like the new series may even have more improvement (certainly as good as the 500 from reports). I love 3D and own over 100 3D movies but it is unfortunate that to continue getting 3D movies you need to import them and double dip on purchases if you also want the UHD version (and who knows how long they will continue to be available at all). I know there are people doing that but I don't really care to. In light of that (as I was deciding between a 3000 or 2000 ) I decided to spend a little extra and get the 4500 (as a good deal became available) and look forward to buying more UHD movies in the future. I love the extra brightness for HDR, no lamp flicker or bright corners. The one draw back is that the 4500's 3D is not as good as my 500 so I may keep the 500 for 3D only.
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-3 brightness and 0 on contrast sounds much better

Even with a fully calibrated unit, you need to lower brightness to -2 or -3 with most units, otherwise the black floor is raised. All this is detailed in my recommended settings in the new calibration thread
I think the disabling of the tone mapping controls is hurting the Panasonic profiles. Obviously the answer isn't contrast to fix the dim picture when using them, but I'm not sure what else you have in the menu to deal with it (again very limited time spent). Setting it to HDR and enabling tone controls with the overall mapping bumped a bit looks very good. My gut says that this seems like a good approach and then use the HDR optimizer in the Panasonic to easily adjust titles without metadata.

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I think the disabling of the tone mapping controls is hurting the Panasonic profiles. Obviously the answer isn't contrast to fix the dim picture when using them, but I'm not sure what else you have in the menu to deal with it (again very limited time spent). Setting it to HDR and enabling tone controls with the overall mapping bumped a bit looks very good. My gut says that this seems like a good approach and then use the HDR optimizer in the Panasonic to easily adjust titles without metadata.

Have you tried raising the Dynamic Range Adjustment slider control in the Panasonic player when set to HDR output with the Optimizer turned ON? That should brighten the picture.

In SDR/BT2020 output mode there is a similarly named control, Dynamic Range Conversion Adj., that is available when the Optimizer is turned ON.

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Just to chime in on 3D. I've had 5 JVC projectors and the 3D had been decent starting with my RX4910 and then the RS500 was a big step up. It sounds like the new series may even have more improvement (certainly as good as the 500 from reports). I love 3D and own over 100 3D movies but it is unfortunate that to continue getting 3D movies you need to import them and double dip on purchases if you also want the UHD version (and who knows how long they will continue to be available at all). I know there are people doing that but I don't really care to. In light of that (as I was deciding between a 3000 or 2000 ) I decided to spend a little extra and get the 4500 (as a good deal became available) and look forward to buying more UHD movies in the future. I love the extra brightness for HDR, no lamp flicker or bright corners. The one draw back is that the 4500's 3D is not as good as my 500 so I may keep the 500 for 3D only.
Why isnt the 3d as good as the 500.. I would had thought is better because of the brighness?

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I still wonder what 4k HDR 3d would had looked like...
I was told by a 3D glasses manufacturer that when Avatar 2 comes out in 2020 it will usher in 4K 3D.

Don't know how reliable that is or isn't but it would be interesting to see.
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Don't know how reliable that is or isn't but it would be interesting to see.
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Just to chime in on 3D. I've had 5 JVC projectors and the 3D had been decent starting with my RX4910 and then the RS500 was a big step up. It sounds like the new series may even have more improvement (certainly as good as the 500 from reports). I love 3D and own over 100 3D movies but it is unfortunate that to continue getting 3D movies you need to import them and double dip on purchases if you also want the UHD version (and who knows how long they will continue to be available at all). I know there are people doing that but I don't really care to. In light of that (as I was deciding between a 3000 or 2000 ) I decided to spend a little extra and get the 4500 (as a good deal became available) and look forward to buying more UHD movies in the future. I love the extra brightness for HDR, no lamp flicker or bright corners. The one draw back is that the 4500's 3D is not as good as my 500 so I may keep the 500 for 3D only.
Joe, try the 3D on the 4500 using regular 3D glasses, not the JVC glasses. The polarization on the JVC glasses is wrong for the 4500.
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I've had only 15 hours on this unit. It has a very good if not great convergence, incredible detail and has been professionally calibrated for HDR (and the calibrated gamma is far superior to the Jvc own tone-mapping). In this 15 hours it was a real wonder until it started to show vertical lines with no specific pattern (input, signal type, cable, cold, warm etc.). Since the change requires more than one month for the replacement unit to arrive and the "fix" just one day or two, i'll go with the fix and if not effective will ask for a change. Fingers crossed.
Let JVC walk you through the update. It will not be that hard to complete.
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I was told by a 3D glasses manufacturer that when Avatar 2 comes out in 2020 it will usher in 4K 3D.



Don't know how reliable that is or isn't but it would be interesting to see.
I read an article a few weeks ago and I read the same thing but I wasn't sure if I understood it correctly... To be honest I think the article was just written wrong.

Perhaps you should ask him again

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Have you tried raising the Dynamic Range Adjustment slider control in the Panasonic player when set to HDR output with the Optimizer turned ON? That should brighten the picture.

In SDR/BT2020 output mode there is a similarly named control, Dynamic Range Conversion Adj., that is available when the Optimizer is turned ON.
Yup used it all the time with the RS520. So my thought process was to take a couple of titles with metadata that looked excellent on the old 820/RS520 combo with no changes to the Panasonic Optimizer (everything zero'd) to use as a baseline. So I took these titles with the Panasonic controls still zero'd and adjusted the overall map setting on the NX7 tone controls until it matched closely the old combination in overall look (which was 2 ticks). The logic I was following was this establishes a baseline. Problematic titles, aka Disney, should then be able to be adjusted easily with the Panasonic only. Maybe it would have been better to simply use the Panasonic period, but at the time this seemed look a good idea. Lets me start with a 0 baseline on the Panasonic with new titles and adjust from there.

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