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I just PM'd you some links to the NX & RS free bulb forms. I downloaded them at the end of April cus I'm in the same situation you are =)
Thank you tehknics! I hope JVC will honor the promo since we probably won't see our pjs till the beginning of June. Have you called them?

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Thanks so much for your consulting via phone in March before I placed the order with Mike Garrett. Your comments and insights were invaluable! Seeing pic's of your theater with its two screens helped me visualize what i now have before I pulled the trigger!

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I just called JVC customer care and they WILL still honor the free bulb promo. As long as you have an invoice or receipt showing you placed the order prior to the end of April you are all good!

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Thank you tehknics! I hope JVC will honor the promo since we probably won't see our pjs till the beginning of June. Have you called them?
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I just called JVC customer care and they WILL still honor the free bulb promo. As long as you have an invoice or receipt showing you placed the order prior to the end of April you are all good!
Yep!

Nope I hadn't called them, but thanks for doing the legwork and sharing your results. That's definitely good news!
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New RS1000 Owner

Got my RS1000 last Friday. It arrived in perfect shape, double-boxed, no blemishes on the packaging. Had to wait until this week for help to get it installed. This is replacing an RS420 that I have had for just over a year but due to various circumstances never did have a chance to enjoy as much as I wanted to. Thanks to people on this forum with whom I corresponded for their input.

My unit looks like a good sample - Near perfect convergence, screen uniformity, no fringing, DI noise, etc. Firmware is 2.04. I have not noticed any yellowing and I am not going to look for it. The image out of the box is gorgeous. Native 4K panels do make a difference particularly if viewing distance can take advantage of it and the image is calm without eshift noise. I sincerely believe the RS1000 is the best bang for the buck, although conventional wisdom here will suggest it is the RS2000. I had previously demoed an RS3000 and RS1000 together at a local showroom and I felt the RS1000 gave me most of what the higher end unit had, for my needs at least. I am sure the additional contrast of the RS2000 will be a step up but a very subtle one.

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HDR2: HDR color profile, HDR color temp, low lamp, iris -4 auto2, gamma 2.4, all processing off except low latency This is in case I decide to use the Panasonic tone mapping with output set to SDR2020.

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- In HDR mode, I found image brighter by upping the tone map to +1 or +2. Would it be better to bring iris to 0 instead?

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- I have configured the installation modes for my scope screen. I used zoom for 16:9, native for 1.85:1 and 2.40:1. I am not sure I understand exactly what the differences of using either modes are.

- What about HDR titles which do not have metadata (Disney)? Just use the tone controls to adjust?

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Does anyone have the Canadian version of the free bulb promo pdf? I had it but seem to have misplaced it.

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I use the chief mount designed for the jvc
Thank you for your reply.

I currently have a Sony 45es and I really like the mount and extension that I bought for it. Does the JVC and Sony follow a similar mounting pattern? The link below is the mount I currently own. It can handle a max of 50lbs. I'm hoping I'll be able to use it with the NX5 as well. Please advise.

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Wow, I had no idea unfilled orders still went that far back. Sounds like I definitely need to formulate a wife-appeasement strategy
It seriously depends on the dealer. This isn't like going to Fry's and buying a printer. Somehow some dealers get the goods sooner than others. I learned this the hard way.

Seriously. Call around and get on everybody's list; ask for the best price they can give you.
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It seriously depends on the dealer. This isn't like going to Fry's and buying a printer. Somehow some dealers get the goods sooner than others. I learned this the hard way.

Seriously. Call around and get on everybody's list; ask for the best price they can give you.
If you switch to a new dealer / projector order now, as opposed to an order with one placed prior to the end of April, you won't get the spare lamp. just FYI. Make sure you factor that in.
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Anyone have a sense of how close JVC is to fulfilling RS2000 preorders? I was one of the last (if not THE last) to get my preorder placed back at the end of January.

Curious who else is still waiting and when you put in your preorder?

My wife has grown increasingly unhappy with our non-functional theater room over the past month and wants to cancel the preorder and go to our closest A/V shop and buy something decent and be done with it. I'd rather not go that route, but if we are still months out from receiving our preorder then I might pick up a cheaper option to temporarily appease my better half until the RS2000 comes in...
Will it help if I say that I have pre ordered since September the 15th 2018 an Rs3000?
Still waiting. I have never in my life witnessed anything like this. Their support and services (at least in Europe) are laughable.
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Does anyone have the Canadian version of the free bulb promo pdf? I had it but seem to have misplaced it.
I have one for the RS Canadian series, which is yours ?
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I have one for the RS Canadian series, which is yours ?

I have the NX5. It's a different form for each series?

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I have the NX5. It's a different form for each series?
The form specifically lists the two different series.
Just contact JVC or where you got it from, assuming that you got it from a dealer.
It's a catch 22 though, if you didn't buy it from a dealer, then AFAIK, you can't claim the free lamp.
The form asks for a proper copy of the dealers invoice.
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If you switch to a new dealer / projector order now, as opposed to an order with one placed prior to the end of April, you won't get the spare lamp. just FYI. Make sure you factor that in.
Yep. Call the right dealer and you won't have any problems with that.
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Will it help if I say that I have pre ordered since September the 15th 2018 an Rs3000?
Still waiting. I have never in my life witnessed anything like this. Their support and services (at least in Europe) are laughable.
Wow... ok I'll just stop complaining about my October pre-order. You win.
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Will it help if I say that I have pre ordered since September the 15th 2018 an Rs3000?
Still waiting. I have never in my life witnessed anything like this. Their support and services (at least in Europe) are laughable.
That is bad. The RS3000's were the first projectors to ship in the US. All RS3000 pre-orders were filled months ago.
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Based on past behavior, do you really feel like they'll have huge improvements for a just released product and panel design? I would expect small changes like RSx00 to RSx20 at best. Rather see them get the bugs ironed out for early adopters than put a new number on the chassis and implement a couple software tweaks.
Huge improvements? No, but I expect (or I should say desire) improvements in native contrast ratio. Lower black floor. To improve those things they need to do more than software tweaks. They need to improve their wire grid polarizors. The 4K D-ILA devices took them a step back in terms of native contrast, which stinks.
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I placed my pre-order back in October and am still waiting. The RS2000(NX7) orders are moving, but very slowly. It seems to depend on what dealer you ordered with.
Yes they are moving out of the factory slowly, but sooner or later it has to get better right.....
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That is bad. The RS3000's were the first projectors to ship in the US. All RS3000 pre-orders were filled months ago.
Craig i wish I had an explanation. I wish I was given one by JVC. Could it be my dealer lying? I called them, let them know of my frustration and gave them all the details of my preorder. They declined to comment, they wouldn't say when will they receive the next batch and if my rs3000 is in there! They were just apologetic and offered no actual help.
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That is bad. The RS3000's were the first projectors to ship in the US. All RS3000 pre-orders were filled months ago.
Craig i wish I had an explanation. I wish I was given one by JVC. Could it be my dealer lying? I called them, let them know of my frustration and gave them all the details of my preorder. They declined to comment, they wouldn't say when will they receive the next batch and if my rs3000 is in there! They were just apologetic and offered no actual help.
Nope, same situation in UK and I suspect all of Europe. No information, no estimates, and silence. My N7 ordered 3rd October, and my dealer has another client preorder from mid-September, we were first preorders for this range, and everyone is in the dark, other than the odd unit appearing here and there with other customers on UK forums. The final insult, no free bulb offer in Europe either, we just are not valued customers, to even warrant a courtesy communication or extended apology, let alone compensation of a free bulb.
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What is even funnier is that there are posts speculating that new models could be announced in September!
Imagine that!
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Huge improvements? No, but I expect (or I should say desire) improvements in native contrast ratio. Lower black floor. To improve those things they need to do more than software tweaks. They need to improve their wire grid polarizors. The 4K D-ILA devices took them a step back in terms of native contrast, which stinks.
I think for a decent boost in native, that would require serious panel R&D. And I don't think that is in the cards. Software is going to net you dynamic gains (iris tweaks) for the most part (and should be doable on the current model).

If the iris was as aggressive on the NX7 I doubt would see much difference between it and the RS520 I had contrast wise. Granted the NX7 doesn't have the pumping artifacts either so there is a positive for being less aggressive.
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I think for a decent boost in native, that would require serious panel R&D. And I don't think that is in the cards. Software is going to net you dynamic gains (iris tweaks) for the most part (and should be doable on the current model).



If the iris was as aggressive on the NX7 I doubt would see much difference between it and the RS520 I had contrast wise. Granted the NX7 doesn't have the pumping artifacts either so there is a positive for being less aggressive.


Dang that sucks if they are going to do it with the iris. I just can’t stand the clipping / blowout that the iris does.

It’s been a problem at least since the 400/500/600 and is no different in the NX. This is definitely not something they are ever going to “fix”. And makes the iris not worth using IMO.
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Yep. Call the right dealer and you won't have any problems with that.
Don't believe everything you are told, because dealers turned in a list of names for outstanding orders on May 1st. If you are not on that list, then you are out of luck.
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Huge improvements? No, but I expect (or I should say desire) improvements in native contrast ratio. Lower black floor. To improve those things they need to do more than software tweaks. They need to improve their wire grid polarizors. The 4K D-ILA devices took them a step back in terms of native contrast, which stinks.
Native contrast improvement? That usually requires a hardware change. Pretty sure that is not going to happen.
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Dang that sucks if they are going to do it with the iris. I just can’t stand the clipping / blowout that the iris does.

It’s been a problem at least since the 400/500/600 and is no different in the NX. This is definitely not something they are ever going to “fix”. And makes the iris not worth using IMO.
I was just speculating. Not saying they will make the iris more aggressive to inflate dynamic contrast, but it's the only real thing you could do in software/firmware. Personally I find myself liking the lack of pumping more than missing the more aggressive fades to black.

My take is that JVC has spent the last few years improving the 4K panels to get them to the contrast we have today. I think they released these models when they did because they felt they had gotten to the best compromise between motion/color/contrast (nothing for the competition was forcing them to move when they did). I don't get the feeling they left any easy low hanging fruit with regards to panel tweaking. I can't recall a JVC generation seeing a large change in panel performance mid generation, so I don't get the feeling we'll be seeing that now.

Of course only JVC knows for sure. But I think expecting anything other than the incremental changes we've seen in past JVC product lines is setting yourself up for disappointment. Guess we'll see.

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When was the last time someone measured 1.000.000:1 On/Off with an RS3000/NX9 and current FW?
JVC should update their specs. This is a little too creative at the moment.
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In HDR mode, I found image brighter by upping the tone map to +1 or +2. Would it be better to bring iris to 0 instead?
HDR can use more light than your projector could hope to provide. For HDR I'd always completely open the iris. When you increase the tone map value to brighten the image you are giving the tone mapping algorithm less headroom to work with for highlights.

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I believe that the DCI color profile would only be used for source devices that are capable of natively providing a DCI P3 color container. It's more common for HDR sources to provide content in a Rec 2020 container and you wouldn't want to use the DCI profile unless you have a specific purpose for it. I'm sure I'll be corrected quickly if I'm mistaken on this.

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I have configured the installation modes for my scope screen. I used zoom for 16:9, native for 1.85:1 and 2.40:1. I am not sure I understand exactly what the differences of using either modes are.
"Zoom" expands your content to use the entire 17:9 panel. Usually people do it the other way around, using "auto" for 16:9 so it doesn't crop the content and pixels are drawn without any scaling. Zoom can be used with on content wider that 17:9 to get more light output without losing any content.

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What about HDR titles which do not have metadata (Disney)? Just use the tone controls to adjust?
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When was the last time someone measured 1.000.000:1 On/Off with an RS3000/NX9 and current FW?
JVC should update their specs. This is a little too creative at the moment.
JVC measures their reported calculations with the iris set around -15. Most measurements you have seen are at iris 0. I would imagine that JVCs numbers are fairly close for iris -15 setting.
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