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post #11341 of 13982 Old 05-12-2019, 08:51 AM
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I specifically asked over here because it pertains to the NX7 as well - I am sure there are others who run MadVR and the new JVC projectors.

This way if another owner has a similar question then a quick search on this forum will answer the question.
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@Manni01 and @markmon1

You guys are MadVR experts - so a question for you:
For HDR tonemapping, in the Maximal Target Nits box, is there a guidance for what to use for projectors?

I tried using NeoXP's settings and set that to 10000, but the image was too dark. As i lower it the image keeps getting brighter, but i have not yet figured out what is an optimal point for it.

Is there a guidance for what to shoot for? I get ~80 nits on my screen in high lamp - if that helps.
I'll post a guide when the next public madVR build is released. Everything is changing too quickly for now. I'll post my own settings in the madVR experimental thread soon (85nits at the moment), hopefully tonight. Off topic here.
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I'll post a guide when the next public madVR build is released. Everything is changing too quickly for now. I'll post my own settings in the madVR experimental thread soon (85nits at the moment), hopefully tonight. Off topic here.


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I'll post a guide when the next public madVR build is released. Everything is changing too quickly for now. I'll post my own settings in the madVR experimental thread soon (85nits at the moment), hopefully tonight. Off topic here.
I thought you were running much brighter than that?
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I thought you were running much brighter than that?
I used to but I'm experimenting with the DI and find that -8 is the soft spot to get rid of 90% of the DI artifacts (both yellowing and blooming) in my setup. I'm not 100% decided, but at the moment that's what I'm running.

I might go back to iris open, no DI and 120nits.
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Checking in again on my issue: 4K HDMI over CAT6 (or any other solution)

Running sources through my Marantz AV Pre. Initially tried Monoprice Blackbird to send signal over CAT6. Was ok on HD content with some lock issues. On 4K content, no signal whatsoever. I tested the same setup HD source/AV pre to 4K TV using the Blackbird and got a perfect picture. Seems the JVC is more sensitive. One poster suggested a $1000 box solution but trying to not throw money at the problem unless it's the only solution.

What is everyone else using to connect their projectors over long distances? Any help appreciated.
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What is everyone else using to connect their projectors over long distances? Any help appreciated.
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=21568

Many also use the Ruipro Fiber HDMI cable that is available on amazon.
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I used to but I'm experimenting with the DI and find that -8 is the soft spot to get rid of 90% of the DI artifacts (both yellowing and blooming) in my setup. I'm not 100% decided, but at the moment that's what I'm running.

I might go back to iris open, no DI and 120nits.
You're lucky to be able to get that bright with the iris so closed... The constant battle we face between light and dark for HDR.
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https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=21568

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Yep, I use the Ruipro, no issues
Thank you both!

More troubleshooting today isolated the issue to the Marantz AV7705. So frustrated. Going to reach out to Marantz and JVC tech support since the same path ways work fine if:
- I connect to my Sony 4k TV
- If I connect the sources directly to HDMI over CAT6.

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I used to but I'm experimenting with the DI and find that -8 is the soft spot to get rid of 90% of the DI artifacts (both yellowing and blooming) in my setup. I'm not 100% decided, but at the moment that's what I'm running.



I might go back to iris open, no DI and 120nits.


What is the benefit to more nits on screen with open iris if it also raises the black floor? Brighter highlights, I assume, but at the cost of raised blacks and reduced contrast. It seems like a properly tone mapped source would benefit most from higher contrast. Seems like most calibrates/pros on the forum recommend open iris or max light output for HDR so I’m sure that I’m missing something.
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What is the benefit to more nits on screen with open iris if it also raises the black floor? Brighter highlights, I assume, but at the cost of raised blacks and reduced contrast. It seems like a properly tone mapped source would benefit most from higher contrast. Seems like most calibrates/pros on the forum recommend open iris or max light output for HDR so I’m sure that I’m missing something.
The main benefit is less highlights compression. With 125nits on screen, you can watch more scenes exactly as intended, with zero tonemapping.

Open iris is recommended for most sources that don’t do dynamic tonemapping ( UB900, Oppo, UB900 etc), as they use the same tonemapping for the whole film.

With madVR and the Radiance Pro, you can actually have a lower target overall because each scene is optimized with an optimal brightness factor.

But it’s still a trade-off, especially with the DI in its current state.

The raised black floor is mostly visible on fade to black. With most content, you won’t notice it.

The native goes from 30,000:1 fully open to 40,000:1 at -8. Again, not a very significant difference. Perceived contrast is about the same.
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Well to put the end to the scratched case story on my NX9. Today JVC product rep in my area came out and replaced the case. Very nice guy. Even helped me pull it off the ceiling and put it back up, which saved me some $. Excellent experience and good job to JVC to taking care of this with no drama.

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dumb question. Does the NX9 upscale all images to 4k when it send out to the screen, unless 8k eshift is enabled, then it does that? Reason I am asking is because i run 4k direct to my projector from my oppo 205 and I seperatly run my oppo 203 though my avr and then avr out to a darbee device then to the projector. I cant scale it to 4k from the 203 or AVR as the darbee wont recognize the signal then so it send out processed 1080p to the projector.

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I use Ruipro 15 meters but have also tried this https://www.amazon.co.uk/LinkinPerk-.../dp/B07MDYBYL7 in a 10 meter version with no issues at much lower price.
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@Manni01 and @markmon1

You guys are MadVR experts - so a question for you:
For HDR tonemapping, in the Maximal Target Nits box, is there a guidance for what to use for projectors?

I tried using NeoXP's settings and set that to 10000, but the image was too dark. As i lower it the image keeps getting brighter, but i have not yet figured out what is an optimal point for it.

Is there a guidance for what to shoot for? I get ~80 nits on my screen in high lamp - if that helps.
Leave maximal target nits box at 10000. Instead, put 80 in the nits box. That will brighten up your image.
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I originally had ordered a RS2000. After a 1+ months of waiting, I got a notice early last week that there was one RS3000 unspoken for at a distributor, and so I pulled the trigger on it.

I'm rocking a 158" scope screen, so I can use every bit of light I can throw at it. The lens should help.
I too initially ordered an RS2000 but decided to upgrade to the NX9, also primarily due to availability.

My screen is a 156" scope screen, 1.1 gain AT screen. I LOVE the image, IMO PLENTY bright, even get the HDR highlights to feel sufficiently glare-y where I have to squint some. I was worried about brightness, no longer. I think I might even turn on the color filter (if it's not on already). I haven't really played with it much yet, working too much.

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My studiotek screen was installed today. Even the wife said she was amazed at the picture when combined with the NX7. GOT was jaw dropping on it.

If anything it’s too bright now. Calibrator booked next month. I have no idea about clamping iris down etc

I can’t recommend the projector highly enough.

One question, when zooming for a scope movie, if I pop back to the menu, which is 16:9, the picture displays outside the screen. Should I be using a setting to stop it doing this eg masking, or is it just normal because of the zoom?


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Just got mine nx9 production march 19 with fw 2.04 its the latest firmware?
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dumb question. Does the NX9 upscale all images to 4k when it send out to the screen, unless 8k eshift is enabled, then it does that? Reason I am asking is because i run 4k direct to my projector from my oppo 205 and I seperatly run my oppo 203 though my avr and then avr out to a darbee device then to the projector. I cant scale it to 4k from the 203 or AVR as the darbee wont recognize the signal then so it send out processed 1080p to the projector.
The NX9 can only display 4K or E-shifted 8K. So everything sent to it will be upconverted to 4K or E-shift 8K, if you have E-shift turned on.
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Ok, so it looks like I will be moving in the next few months and get to build a room from scratch.
13.5 x 20 x 9.5 ceilings (100% light controlled)... I will be getting a nx5 or nx7 (still undecided) but my screen size is still up in the air.
Screen will be a elunevision AT 4k 1.0 gain electric.

So, I can either go with a 120" or a 135". Im a bit worried the 135" wont be all that bright from 20 feel away. This will be a 16x9 screen as its my gaming room as well.

Im sure I should just go with the 135 and be done but I dont want a dim screen. Currently with a 108" and its plenty bright enough with my 1.1 elunevision 4k reference.
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How many JVC "product reps" are there in the US market and where are they located?

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Anyone can do light control. It's light treatment that separates the special experiences from the relatively common.

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Ok, so it looks like I will be moving in the next few months and get to build a room from scratch.
13.5 x 20 x 9.5 ceilings (100% light controlled)... I will be getting a nx5 or nx7 (still undecided) but my screen size is still up in the air.
Screen will be a elunevision AT 4k 1.0 gain electric.

So, I can either go with a 120" or a 135". Im a bit worried the 135" wont be all that bright from 20 feel away. This will be a 16x9 screen as its my gaming room as well.

Im sure I should just go with the 135 and be done but I dont want a dim screen. Currently with a 108" and its plenty bright enough with my 1.1 elunevision 4k reference.
Any thoughts?


With my nx5 I shoot 20 feet back onto a 126” there nothing dim about it, hdr looks great and sdr is set to -7 manual auto 2 iris still plenty of pop, moving to the nx7 brightness is about the same( supposedly 100 lumens more but it’s gonna vary between samples anyways) and if you use the color filter you would eliminate any brightness you might gain or be less bright than the nx5. The only real advantage is double the native contrast, which in real world equates to a slight increase in contrast. I suggest trying to view them in your room first if you can, to see the real worl differences.
As far as brightness goes either one should be fine.


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Alright guys I’ve been doing a lot of testing the last couple of days between the Oppo 203 and Panasonic UDB-820.

I still feel the Oppo has a little bit more detail. The Panasonic did have a cleaner look. First pictures are the Oppo the second is the Panasonic.

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Both paired with a JVC NX5 Projector. Either way you still get a great picture. Both players are excellent.
Try adding a tick of sharpness in both the high and medium range on the Panasonic.

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Just wanted to give an update. We actually got some time to watch more material on the NX7. After some experimentation I found that setting the brightness to -1 in the Panasonic optimizer seems to be necessary to correct a bit of just above black gamma problems (reducing brightness in the JVC doesn't fix it). I could also reduce the overall mapping in the JVC to 2, but the overall brightness isn't quite where I want it. So this minor change on the Panasonic seems to be the sweet spot. I want to get a few more hours on it before having it calibrated. I'm sure that will change the settings I'm using.

Watched The Green Book and part of Captain America Winter Soldier. Both looked very good. Interestingly The Green Book uses a 2.0:1 AR, fairly rare in a movie. Also it's graded a bit to have a more sepia tone look, but overall a nice disc and good movie. Cap 2 looked very good from what I saw. It's a 2K DI, but the color pop and HDR made it worthwhile from what I saw.

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Try adding a tick of sharpness in both the high and medium range on the Panasonic.
I did add 2 ticks but the Oppo still had a hint better sharpness. Still really close though.
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Just wanted to give an update. We actually got some time to watch more material on the NX7. After some experimentation I found that setting the brightness to -1 in the Panasonic optimizer seems to be necessary to correct a bit of just above black gamma problems (reducing brightness in the JVC doesn't fix it). I could also reduce the overall mapping in the JVC to 2, but the overall brightness isn't quite where I want it. So this minor change on the Panasonic seems to be the sweet spot. I want to get a few more hours on it before having it calibrated. I'm sure that will change the settings I'm using.
I read your comparisons from earlier, among other posts, and settled on using the UB820 Basic Luminance mode with optimizer on and HDR profile on my RS1000. I have played with the tone map slider at +1 and +2. Also set overall brightness for picture mode to -3. Have not tried using the Panasonic specific color profile yet, but from what I am hearing all the combos are pretty similar.
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