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post #11401 of 14048 Old 05-14-2019, 02:38 AM
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I did add 2 ticks but the Oppo still had a hint better sharpness. Still really close though.
Oppo and Cambridge players have a sharper image than Panasonic and they also have more "pop" in contrast. Panasonic have a "sweeter" image, overall well balanced with nice colours but less "pop" than Oppo or Cambridge (in my experience, Cambridge a bit more than Oppo). I have all 3 players and have done extensive tests on N9 and LG Oled TV. On the oled tv we're not talking big differences but with the Jvc projector they are more evident.
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Nope, can’t be done. The projector has to scale to 4K to address all of the pixels on the imaging chips.
Well, here's the interesting thing about 3D source material. If you set your player to force output at 4K (for example, using either my Oppo 103D BR player or Panasonic UB820 UHD player), it will only play the 3D content in 2D. You have to change output to "native resolution" (3D output at 1080p) in order to achieve 3D on the JVC. Do you have any explanation why a UHD capable player will send native 2D 1080p/UHD content as UHD to the PJ for 1 to 1 UHD mapping, but the same player can't internally up-convert 1080p 3D content to that same UHD format?
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What would be the sacrifice using an AT screen with this projector?
AT screens have to have holes to let the sound through. I guess if you're sitting far enough back there's no difference. But if you're sitting close enough to really cash in on 4K benefits, those holes have to take away some small amount of detail.

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Well, here's the interesting thing about 3D source material. If you set your player to force output at 4K (for example, using either my Oppo 103D BR player or Panasonic UB820 UHD player), it will only play the 3D content in 2D. You have to change output to "native resolution" (3D output at 1080p) in order to achieve 3D on the JVC. Do you have any explanation why a UHD capable player will send native 2D 1080p/UHD content as UHD to the PJ for 1 to 1 UHD mapping, but the same player can't internally up-convert 1080p 3D content to that same UHD format?
I don't think any display device can receive 4K 3d signal.
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Have not finalized, but have a prelim design. It was based on the PJ sitting in the box; now with the Chief mount, the hush box will be built around the mounted PJ.
If you are building the box around the projector and mount, you would not need the mount anymore right?
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135" can be plenty brightly lit by an NX series projector. You can probably go a little bigger. Also, if your room is only 13.5 feet wide but 9.5 feet tall, you probably can get away with a higher screen and not sacrificing the quality hit it takes to go AT.

Something else to consider, since your wall is so tall. You could put a center channel centered directly above and below your screen which would center the sound on the middle of your screen and still avoid being AT.
Are you sure? A 135" wide screen will be 76" tall (16/9). Sitting 12" away you'll get an offset of 19" between the two center channels, which will cause comb filtering in the 0.8 to 2kHz region, so you have to run a delay line, and a different EQ on each. Also there is no phantom imaging vertically, you receive the sound with the same ITD. What you'll get is a reinforcement of perceived loudness due to precedence effect.
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Does anyone know whether the new pjs are still using the same bulb?
I know that the housing would be different, but is it still 265w ushio?
Yes, same bulb as previous generation. Just different housing was required for the new projector design.
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Dumb question. I have heard that since these projectors are so heavy that they can sway if people walk on the floor above the mount.

I have a Chief mount and adjustable column in some 2x4s in the soffit. I used 3/8" bolts with: washers, lock washers and nuts. Is that solid enough to hold the projector and not have it move if people walk above it?
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Thanks for the response. You don’t find 2.4 too dark at any point?
I haven't yet, but this unit is not calibrated. Honestly most content has been 4K, but the first Hobbit (2K) didn't feel crushed in Gollum's cave at 2.4.
Makes sense. I tried 2.4 last night and it was definitely better than Cinema 1 or 2. A little dark during low light scenes though.
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I have found 2.3 to be ideal for SDR with all the JVC projectors I have had
Thanks for reply. I’ve set my projector to custom and tried 2.3 and that seems to be right in the sweet spot. Not too dark not too light and still gives the picture a night pop.
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I did add 2 ticks but the Oppo still had a hint better sharpness. Still really close though.
Oppo and Cambridge players have a sharper image than Panasonic and they also have more "pop" in contrast. Panasonic have a "sweeter" image, overall well balanced with nice colours but less "pop" than Oppo or Cambridge (in my experience, Cambridge a bit more than Oppo). I have all 3 players and have done extensive tests on N9 and LG Oled TV. On the oled tv we're not talking big differences but with the Jvc projector they are more evident.
Interesting. For some reason I always thought it was the other way around. I thought the Panasonic had more detail but when I tested it, I was wrong. Is the Cambridge “pop” significantly more than the Oppo?
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135" can be plenty brightly lit by an NX series projector. You can probably go a little bigger. Also, if your room is only 13.5 feet wide but 9.5 feet tall, you probably can get away with a higher screen and not sacrificing the quality hit it takes to go AT.

Something else to consider, since your wall is so tall. You could put a center channel centered directly above and below your screen which would center the sound on the middle of your screen and still avoid being AT.
You can make this work for a single seat or even a single row, if the distance is the same from both center channel speakers. If you have two or more rows, I would never go with two center channel speakers, due to the mismatched distance. With that said, it should not be necessary.
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AT screens have to have holes to let the sound through. I guess if you're sitting far enough back there's no difference. But if you're sitting close enough to really cash in on 4K benefits, those holes have to take away some small amount of detail.
Then I guess your screen is not AT, how far do you sit from the 135"? about 10ft/3m? If you are sitting closer than that and you have the center channel under the screen then the screen must be like 60cm/2ft from the floor so you need to look way up to the top of the screen, seems to me a weird angle. I can't find a pic of your setup but should be something like this without AT screen.
Maybe in reality it's not bad but the closer you sit the AT screen is more likely needed to keep the middle of the screen as close to your eye level as possible to avoid this looking up situation.

Any owner here with AT screen who's sitting relatively close?
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Interesting. For some reason I always thought it was the other way around. I thought the Panasonic had more detail but when I tested it, I was wrong. Is the Cambridge “pop” significantly more than the Oppo?
Not so much, is just a bit and you have to look for it.
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Dumb question. I have heard that since these projectors are so heavy that they can sway if people walk on the floor above the mount.

I have a Chief mount and adjustable column in some 2x4s in the soffit. I used 3/8" bolts with: washers, lock washers and nuts. Is that solid enough to hold the projector and not have it move if people walk above it?

That is a very solid installation, and barring someone doing Jumping Jacks directly above that mount, you should be just fine"as is".

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AT screens have to have holes to let the sound through. I guess if you're sitting far enough back there's no difference. But if you're sitting close enough to really cash in on 4K benefits, those holes have to take away some small amount of detail.



I don't think any display device can receive 4K 3d signal.
The better AT screens take very little away and the improvement in speaker location, more than makes up for that in my opinion. Take a look at the 4K pixel size compared to the UF fabric. Same applies to Screen Excellence EN4K, NEO and Screen Acoustic V6.
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Then I guess your screen is not AT, how far do you sit from the 135"? about 10ft/3m? If you are sitting closer than that and you have the center channel under the screen then the screen must be like 60cm/2ft from the floor so you need to look way up to the top of the screen, seems to me a weird angle. I can't find a pic of your setup but should be something like this without AT screen.
Maybe in reality it's not bad but the closer you sit the AT screen is more likely needed to keep the middle of the screen as close to your eye level as possible to avoid this looking up situation.

Any owner here with AT screen who's sitting relatively close?
I sit 9' from a 9' wide AT screen.
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If you are building the box around the projector and mount, you would not need the mount anymore right?
True. That was the original plan. Then I couldn't get anyone to build it, so I got the mount. Then I realized I needed a hush box once I heard the high lamp mode!

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Oppo and Cambridge players have a sharper image than Panasonic and they also have more "pop" in contrast. Panasonic have a "sweeter" image, overall well balanced with nice colours but less "pop" than Oppo or Cambridge (in my experience, Cambridge a bit more than Oppo). I have all 3 players and have done extensive tests on N9 and LG Oled TV. On the oled tv we're not talking big differences but with the Jvc projector they are more evident.
I "only" have a Sony 350ES projector (4k, but SDR). However, an A/B comparison of the Oppo 203 v. Panasonic 820 yields the same results. The 820 is a smoother. more balanced image, but the Oppo has more pop and wow factor. The Oppo more frequently looks wrong, but it looks more incredible when it's right.

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The better AT screens take very little away and the improvement in speaker location, more than makes up for that in my opinion. Take a look at the 4K pixel size compared to the UF fabric. Same applies to Screen Excellence EN4K, NEO and Screen Acoustic V6.
I second what Mike says. I’ve had AT screens on my theater for 12 years starting with the RS1 and now a RS2000. I sit 12 feet from a 154” scope Seymour XD screen. Outstanding picture no visible “holes” that I can see. Mike can get you pricing and samples of many varieties of screen material to evaluate in your environment.
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Any owner here with AT screen who's sitting relatively close?
Not particularly close, but 10ft from a 10ft wide 2.37:1 screen with the v6 material. It really is incredible, with your nose at the screen it looks solid and I can still make out the inter-pixel gaps - and that's through the Panamorph DCR lens that is shrinking the pixels to fit them all on the screen.
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I sit 9' from a 9' wide AT screen.
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Not particularly close, but 10ft from a 10ft wide 2.37:1 screen with the v6 material. It really is incredible, with your nose at the screen it looks solid and I can still make out the inter-pixel gaps - and that's through the Panamorph DCR lens that is shrinking the pixels to fit them all on the screen.
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I second what Mike says. I’ve had AT screens on my theater for 12 years starting with the RS1 and now a RS2000. I sit 12 feet from a 154” scope Seymour XD screen. Outstanding picture no visible “holes” that I can see. Mike can get you pricing and samples of many varieties of screen material to evaluate in your environment.
Thank you for the replies! So no noticeable loss with the right screen material with this projector from this distance
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Dumb question. I have heard that since these projectors are so heavy that they can sway if people walk on the floor above the mount.

I have a Chief mount and adjustable column in some 2x4s in the soffit. I used 3/8" bolts with: washers, lock washers and nuts. Is that solid enough to hold the projector and not have it move if people walk above it?

I have significant wood blocking (3 1/2”) between two of the floor joists above and using 4” long 5/16” lag bolts into the blocking. Centerline of my Chief mount is nearly in the middle of the 16’ joint span between the support beams on either end of this spread and right under the main path into kitchen—a very busy route for sure. My extension is set at 15” to help minimize vertical shift, so any “sway” might be exaggerated somewhat. Still, I get minimal floor bounce and it’s difficult to see it on the screen...even when the heavy-footed people in our home are walking above.


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Thank you for the replies! So no noticeable loss with the right screen material with this projector from this distance
I can’t speak to non-AT high gain screens but yes, no noticeable loss. My room is 14.5’x 19’ with a 19.5’ throw from the RS2000 and Paladin DCR lens in a totally light controlled setting. I’ve looked at several samples of different material trying to find some improvement in clarity or brightness from the screen itself but nothing has jumped put. Perhaps if I sat closer I’d view things different. My key sanity check (my wife) keeps me from seeing more than is really there. If only something would come along in an AT screen with an improvement of 50% or more in gain without hot spotting, etc. Biggest improvement in my room is the RS2000. The tone mapping and flexibility to adjust the picture is terrific. And my RS2000 has less than 60 hours on it with only my adjustments and no professional calibration as yet.
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How do you get a 19.5' throw in a 19' room?
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First, can’t you un-mush the Cubbies a little bit? They are playing good so far. (Cubs fan here.)

Second, the projector is not in the room. It’s in a temp controlled hush box that sits on the other side of the back wall of the room in the garage. I’m at 3300’ altitude so projector runs in high altitude mode and hush box helps with noise control. All four of my JVCs have used this box except I needed to do a little enlargement for the RS2000.
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Hey guys, I might be having an issue with my XBox 1X and NX5. I just installed the JVC. I am running a brand new ruipro hdmi cable. When I go to the XBox main screen, it shows up fine but in 1080. Then I go to settings and switch it to 4k, but while it is doing that, it comes back and says there may be a problem displaying 4k.

So I choose 4k details, and everything is check marked except for Dolby Vision. It says it supports it all, but it is in 1080.

Then when I try to play a game, it just gets stuck on a black screen and doesn’t come back. I have to turn off the XBox to get it back working. What could be the problem?

Also, what should the color depth be at?

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First, can’t you un-mush the Cubbies a little bit? They are playing good so far. (Cubs fan here.)

Second, the projector is not in the room. It’s in a temp controlled hush box that sits on the other side of the back wall of the room in the garage. I’m at 3300’ altitude so projector runs in high altitude mode and hush box helps with noise control. All four of my JVCs have used this box except I needed to do a little enlargement for the RS2000.
Oh, nice! Even better than a hush box in the room.

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What would be the sacrifice using an AT screen with this projector?


If you are in the market for AT screens don’t overlook Soundmax 4K AT screen from XYscreen.com

Image quality is fantastic. It does not perform as well with Audio as say the V6 (higher attenuation of highs ) but in terms of gain it is almost unity gain. IMO you can easily fix the treble attenuation through EQ - but you cannot do anything about low screen gain.

It is pretty fabulous - and has the highest gain of all the AT screens out there ... and it is dirt cheap so even if you don’t like it you won’t mind throwing it away and buying something like Seymour or V6




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Ok, so it looks like I will be moving in the next few months and get to build a room from scratch.

13.5 x 20 x 9.5 ceilings (100% light controlled)... I will be getting a nx5 or nx7 (still undecided) but my screen size is still up in the air.

Screen will be a elunevision AT 4k 1.0 gain electric.



So, I can either go with a 120" or a 135". Im a bit worried the 135" wont be all that bright from 20 feel away. This will be a 16x9 screen as its my gaming room as well.



Im sure I should just go with the 135 and be done but I dont want a dim screen. Currently with a 108" and its plenty bright enough with my 1.1 elunevision 4k reference.

Any thoughts?


Have you tried Elunevision - their 1.0 gain for AT material is totally incorrect and they don’t give out samples. Their gain is closer to 0.8 - so make sure you are still able to do good HDR.

When I was buying my own AT screen - I was considering them but since they don’t give out samples to compare with V6 or Seymour I decided to not go for them



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If you are in the market for AT screens don’t overlook Soundmax 4K AT screen from XYscreen.com

Image quality is fantastic. It does not perform as well with Audio as say the V6 (higher attenuation of highs ) but in terms of gain it is almost unity gain. IMO you can easily fix the treble attenuation through EQ - but you cannot do anything about low screen gain.

It is pretty fabulous - and has the highest gain of all the AT screens out there ... and it is dirt cheap so even if you don’t like it you won’t mind throwing it away and buying something like Seymour or V6




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If you are in the market for AT screens don’t overlook Soundmax 4K AT screen from XYscreen.com

Image quality is fantastic. It does not perform as well with Audio as say the V6 (higher attenuation of highs ) but in terms of gain it is almost unity gain. IMO you can easily fix the treble attenuation through EQ - but you cannot do anything about low screen gain.

It is pretty fabulous - and has the highest gain of all the AT screens out there ... and it is dirt cheap so even if you don’t like it you won’t mind throwing it away and buying something like Seymour or V6
I'm European so not that many options here, basically Elite Screens, Screen Excellence and DreamScreen are the options here but I'm sure that one of them is good enough.

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Second, the projector is not in the room. It’s in a temp controlled hush box that sits on the other side of the back wall of the room in the garage. I’m at 3300’ altitude so projector runs in high altitude mode and hush box helps with noise control. All four of my JVCs have used this box except I needed to do a little enlargement for the RS2000.
How does that hush box look like? How's the cooling? pic would help
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So if you have a spare bulb and are updating, keep it



If you are building the box around the projector and mount, you would not need the mount anymore right?
Same as the rs600 bulb? I just realized I still have a new bulb I was going to sell with an rs600 I no longer use, but if it works with the nx7, nx9....might be a factor if I decide to upgrade this fall.

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