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File? It would be helpful if people would list what their source is and if they are going through an AVR etc. I have not had any issue playing UHD 4k Blu-Rays and standard Blu-Ray discs with an Oppo 203. When you say file, are you streaming a movie?
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2.07 ... so far so good. Just one thing: i can't find no more the special Panasonic profiles. I never use them even if i have a Pana 9000 i prefer a custom cal but i was wondering if they have been removed or if i messed up something playin' around.
Make sure your gamma isn’t on hdr and is on 2.x. If it’s on hdr it won’t show that color profile.
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I've had a very similar iris pumping problem on one of the previous e-shift projectors and was told the projector needed to be replaced under warranty. It was an intermittent problem and typically only happened after 45-60 min of watching and based on the type of content I was watching. My guess is that there are positional sensors in the iris that stop reading correctly. You should get your projector swapped.
Do you know if JVC technical department knows about such an issue with the NX / N series of projectors? The reason I ask is because my dealer was told they knew and would fix the issue with the next firmware. Maybe they didnt understand the problem, or my dealer didnt explain it correctly. But for my future talks with my dealer it would nice to know if JVC and I are talking about the same problem. I thought maybe you or Manni have some insight into this through your JVC contacts?
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Do you know if JVC technical department knows about such an issue with the NX / N series of projectors?
Last night i've paid attention at the iris movements in AUTO mode. I usually don't use auto mode i left manual at 0 so i was wondering if i were "missing" some bugs. Well, i can say that if you look directly at the lens as in the video you posted i can clearly see the iris clamping down to a certain degree in some scenes, but if i look at the screen the closing is not so evident. I mean: the iris is doing his work in auto mode but the difference is subtle, you can see it if you're looking for it but the image does not change that much to become distracting.
My question now is: when you're seeing a movie and you are "relaxed", i mean not looking for bugs or similar, you can clearly see the iris closing down? I mean, it is distracting at the point you pause everything to understand what's happening? If yes we have a bug or a defective unit, otherwise it may be normal operation.

Last but not least have you done a full factory reset from service menu after updating to 2.07? If not i suggest you to do it asap.
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Last night i've paid attention at the iris movements in AUTO mode. I usually don't use auto mode i left manual at 0 so i was wondering if i were "missing" some bugs. Well, i can say that if you look directly at the lens as in the video you posted i can clearly see the iris clamping down to a certain degree in some scenes, but if i look at the screen the closing is not so evident. I mean: the iris is doing his work in auto mode but the difference is subtle, you can see it if you're looking for it but the image does not change that much to become distracting.
My question now is: when you're seeing a movie and you are "relaxed", i mean not looking for bugs or similar, you can clearly see the iris closing down? I mean, it is distracting at the point you pause everything to understand what's happening? If yes we have a bug or a defective unit, otherwise it may be normal operation.

Last but not least have you done a full factory reset from service menu after updating to 2.07? If not i suggest you to do it asap.
Thanks for checking. I did the service menu factory reset yesterday, but issue remains. Yes the dynamic iris is working as it should for a while. Usually around 1 hour. It clamps down in dark scenes just about right, just a little, as I like it, and at manual aperture at 0 this is subtle. This is normal operation and all ok, but then when this "bug" arrives, it clamps down almost all the way in dark scenes (as you see in the video), which results that the image gets way to dark. Bright scenes are ok, the DI opens all the way just as normal, just dark scenes suddently closes iris almost all the way. The subtitles gets almost grey. This is not normal operation. Something happens here, either software somehow gets messed up, the DI algoritm, or it could be a hardware issue. When it happens, I turn DI off and continue to watch at manual aperture 0, or I powercycle the projector to get back to normal DI mode. At manual mode, it is not as good with black level (and sometimes scene contrast) is not as good as with Auto DI (before the bug arrives that is..)

What is strange is that no one else has this bug it seems? This makes me think it might be hardware. But then again, it seems to arrive like clockwork, around the 1 hour mark. This makes me think software.

I really have no clue right now. I still havent heard back from the dealer after me reporting back that the issue remains with FW 2.07. He told me JVC knew and would fix the problem in this firmware.

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Do you know if JVC technical department knows about such an issue with the NX / N series of projectors? The reason I ask is because my dealer was told they knew and would fix the issue with the next firmware. Maybe they didnt understand the problem, or my dealer didnt explain it correctly. But for my future talks with my dealer it would nice to know if JVC and I are talking about the same problem. I thought maybe you or Manni have some insight into this through your JVC contacts?
I don't believe your problem is software. It sounds like a problem with hardware. Have had a couple customers have this issue with the previous generation.
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Thanks for checking. I did the service menu factory reset yesterday, but issue remains. Yes the dynamic iris is working as it should for a while. Usually around 1 hour. It clamps down in dark scenes just about right, just a little, as I like it, and at manual aperture at 0 this is subtle. This is normal operation and all ok, but then when this "bug" arrives, it clamps down almost all the way in dark scenes (as you see in the video), which results that the image gets way to dark. Bright scenes are ok, the DI opens all the way just as normal, just dark scenes suddently closes iris almost all the way. The subtitles gets almost grey. This is not normal operation. Something happens here, either software somehow gets messed up, the DI algoritm, or it could be a hardware issue. When it happens, I turn DI off and continue to watch at manual aperture 0, or I powercycle the projector to get back to normal DI mode. At manual mode, it is not as good with black level (and sometimes scene contrast) is not as good as with Auto DI (before the bug arrives that is..)



What is strange is that no one else has this bug it seems? This makes me think it might be hardware. But then again, it seems to arrive like clockwork, around the 1 hour mark. This makes me think software.



I really have no clue right now. I still havent heard back from the dealer after me reporting back that the issue remains with FW 2.07. He told me JVC knew and would fix the problem in this firmware.


I have had this issue once. But a soft power cycle fixed it. I have not had it in the past two months now


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I'm sorry to report that the 2.07 update does NOT fix the vertical bars problem. Note that the problem normally might not show up for quite a while so it might appear to be fixed when it is not. In my case it had not shown up for several days, but as soon as I tried a file that had caused it in the past, it came right up. I power cycled it and got the problem again.
Have any other users loaded 2.07 and had the blue bars reappear? I am trying to decide if it is worth upgrading to 2.07.
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Just updated firmware v2.07 to my N5 (orig. v2.05).
I used the oldest USB stick in my home with only 128MB FAT32. Before update projector told it should take 15 min, actual time was about 10 min. Update was smooth and successful.
It took couple of minutes more time compared to normal startup to get D-ILA screen visible after first restart. I didn't do any factory reset (yet), I'll check first if everything works OK.
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Just updated firmware v2.07 to my N5 (orig. v2.05).
I used the oldest USB stick in my home with only 128MB FAT32. Before update projector told it should take 15 min, actual time was about 10 min. Update was smooth and successful.
It took couple of minutes more time compared to normal startup to get D-ILA screen visible after first restart. I didn't do any factory reset (yet), I'll check first if everything works OK.
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Have any other users loaded 2.07 and had the blue bars reappear? I am trying to decide if it is worth upgrading to 2.07.
I think that for most users it could take several days to show up. The only reason that I saw it so soon was because I have a test clip that will cause it within a few trys. Since installing 2.07 I have not seen it at all in normal usage
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I think that for most users it could take several days to show up. The only reason that I saw it so soon was because I have a test clip that will cause it within a few trys. Since installing 2.07 I have not seen it at all in normal usage
About that test clip... are you sure there is nothing wrong with the stream that can cause this issue? I also have one clip that will crash the Shield every single time but it will not crash any other player (hardware or software). If I check that clip in eac3to there is a single video glitch that causes the crash but it is NOT visible on any other player. If I remux the exact same clip with a different app the video glitch is gone and it will no longer crash the Shield.
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About that test clip... are you sure there is nothing wrong with the stream that can cause this issue? I also have one clip that will crash the Shield every single time but it will not crash any other player (hardware or software). If I check that clip in eac3to there is a single video glitch that causes the crash but it is NOT visible on any other player. If I remux the exact same clip with a different app the video glitch is gone and it will no longer crash the Shield.
The material in that clip is on the front of a LOT of videos that I have and play a lot. It's never caused a problem with anything before and did not cause a problem on the original firmware (1.17). As soon as as I installed 1.20 the problem showed up big time. I've since taken to strip that portion from the videos so I can play them without a problem.

I also see the problem on other movies/videos (albeit a lot less frequently) so I'm sure that it is not anything wrong with the stream.
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I think that for most users it could take several days to show up. The only reason that I saw it so soon was because I have a test clip that will cause it within a few trys.
Yours is the first anyone has been able to deliberately and repeatedly trigger the vertical bars problem with a specific piece of content. I hope you've passed this information on to JVC so they can test it for themselves. Hopefully that will help them get to the bottom of the issue.

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Yours is the first anyone has been able to deliberately and repeatedly trigger the vertical bars problem with a specific piece of content. I hope you've passed this information on to JVC so they can test it for themselves. Hopefully that will help them get to the bottom of the issue.
Yes, I've passed it on to my dealer and he's in contact with JVC. They have asked for pictures and I'm going to do that as soon as I have time. I'm not sure whether he's passed the clip on to JVC yet. It would certainly be interesting to see if they can reproduce the problem with it.

The most frustrating part of this problem is that, because it happens so sporadically, it is so easy to think that the problem is fixed when it really isn't.
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I am still trying to figure out apart from running ARC, double checking placement of speakers, levels at the main listening position, what else is there in audio calibration.

I dont know if there is a way to upload custom audio curve to my Anthem receiver.

Ultimately to decide whether to spend money on Audio calibration as well.
Oh audio calibration can go soo much deeper than that. With any AutoEQ system like ARC, with the exception perhaps of trinnov, additional work will always yield better results. Anything from dialing in your own "House curve" on the bass which is totally to your own preference, to introducing a slight bump in dB in surrounds for a more immersive effect, to shallow rolloff of the high freqs a la Harman curve theory. That's a rabbit hole that goes quite deep honestly but ultimately depends on what actually sounds best to you.

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Oh audio calibration can go soo much deeper than that. With any AutoEQ system like ARC, with the exception perhaps of trinnov, additional work will always yield better results. Anything from dialing in your own "House curve" on the bass which is totally to your own preference, to introducing a slight bump in dB in surrounds for a more immersive effect, to shallow rolloff of the high freqs a la Harman curve theory. That's a rabbit hole that goes quite deep honestly but ultimately depends on what actually sounds best to you.


Thanks - but how does the calibrator actually do this? Is there a way for a receiver like Anthem MRX 720 to load custom EQ curves? Or does one need a specialized equipment in middle of receiver and amp?



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Yes, I've passed it on to my dealer and he's in contact with JVC. They have asked for pictures and I'm going to do that as soon as I have time. I'm not sure whether he's passed the clip on to JVC yet. It would certainly be interesting to see if they can reproduce the problem with it.

The most frustrating part of this problem is that, because it happens so sporadically, it is so easy to think that the problem is fixed when it really isn't.
It has been sent to a JVC engineer.
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Both sort of. The anthem's tone controls can be used in many cases, as well as the speaker trim levels. Most subwoofers have some adjustment to them to dial in a house curve but a simple bump in level may be all it takes for you.

You don't really want to just wing it with these types of adjustments without some way to measure, at the very least a standard SPL meter will help you out, but you REALLY want to see what's going on you have to get a measurement microphone like a UMIK-1 (With REW (Free software)) or Omnimic. That way you can actually see what's going on with your response as you make fine adjustments.

Another thing to mention is that auto cal's very rarely get the speaker to subwoofer transition right. They don't even measure to test and see in most cases. ARC doesn't even test for distances period so this area often takes some manipulation to get dialed in. Even with the Audyssey suite, manual adjustment (SDT or subwoofer distance tweak) is needed to get the best response over the crossover area. I could go on for a long time about all these things but all this info is readily available on several threads right here on AVS.

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True ! And I needed to carry the laptop into the theater !
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RS 1000 appears in the Harmony Elite database, but there's hardly any buttons and it won't power on with it either. Anybody else getting this issue? It's like it's just there but nothing works.

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Yes, I've passed it on to my dealer and he's in contact with JVC. They have asked for pictures and I'm going to do that as soon as I have time. I'm not sure whether he's passed the clip on to JVC yet. It would certainly be interesting to see if they can reproduce the problem with it.



The most frustrating part of this problem is that, because it happens so sporadically, it is so easy to think that the problem is fixed when it really isn't.


Could you share the file so other owners could give it a try?


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Could you please share the specifics of subwoofer measurement using a (Radio Shack) SPL meter? I know how to set it to measure (and calibrate) typical home theater speakers, but I've never found a way to make it useful for subwoofers. Thanks!
C'mon man, take the audio discussion to the appropriate thread or pm. This is completely off topic here.
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