Official JVC RS3000/NX9 - JVC RS2000/NX7/N7 - JVC RS1000/NX5/N5 - Owners Thread - Page 407 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 16422Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #12181 of 17804 Old 06-01-2019, 05:40 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
ScottieBoysName's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,981
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1255 Post(s)
Liked: 429
I have absolutely zero issues with my RS2000.

I’m on whatever firmware came out around the middle of mark. 2.xx (can’t remember the exact numbers - might be 2.03)

Is there anything newer/better?
Craig Peer and Jacob92175 like this.
ScottieBoysName is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #12182 of 17804 Old 06-01-2019, 06:15 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
Mike Garrett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 26,467
Mentioned: 241 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12502 Post(s)
Liked: 10127
Send a message via Skype™ to Mike Garrett
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottieBoysName View Post
I have absolutely zero issues with my RS2000.

I’m on whatever firmware came out around the middle of mark. 2.xx (can’t remember the exact numbers - might be 2.03)

Is there anything newer/better?
If you have no issues, leave it alone. Don't try to fix what is not broken.
Craig Peer and tigerhonaker like this.
Mike Garrett is offline  
post #12183 of 17804 Old 06-01-2019, 06:32 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
desray2k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Singapore
Posts: 1,139
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 481 Post(s)
Liked: 229
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmonier View Post
Before or after 2.07 I could go easily that long without any issue or have it several times in the same movie (the Apollo 11 documentary is the poster child for that). I would have to have it go several weeks before I had any confidence that it was fixed.
I've watched the mkv ripped version of this documentary and I have no encounter of any vertical lines on my NX7. Is there a specific "time frame" that I should be looking at to replicate the "problem"?
desray2k is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #12184 of 17804 Old 06-01-2019, 08:09 PM
Member
 
bathes2051's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 147
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 61 Post(s)
Liked: 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manni01 View Post
It's not a big issue, but I would still recommend to use 4:4:4 8bits or 4:2:2 12bits, depending on the source. RGB 4:4:4 12bits and YCC 4:4:4 12bits are still not recommended.
I tried that with a UB820, f/w 2.07.
If I force the 820 to output 4:2:2 with 12bits preferred, the JVC does not report 12bits.
If I leave the 820 at 4:4:4(Auto), it does.
The Panasonic description says that this setting can still output 4:2:2 to favor 12bits, hopefully this is what’s happening.
So it seems that Auto colorspace everywhere is the best choice with 2.07 (note that I hadn't tried with the previous f/w).
bathes2051 is online now  
post #12185 of 17804 Old 06-01-2019, 10:34 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
ScottieBoysName's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,981
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1255 Post(s)
Liked: 429
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Garrett View Post
If you have no issues, leave it alone. Don't try to fix what is not broken.


That’s my thought process too. Just seeing if anything good/new has changed.
ScottieBoysName is online now  
post #12186 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 12:33 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Manni01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 9,111
Mentioned: 326 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5429 Post(s)
Liked: 5617
Quote:
Originally Posted by bathes2051 View Post
I tried that with a UB820, f/w 2.07.
If I force the 820 to output 4:2:2 with 12bits preferred, the JVC does not report 12bits.
If I leave the 820 at 4:4:4(Auto), it does.
The Panasonic description says that this setting can still output 4:2:2 to favor 12bits, hopefully this is what’s happening.
So it seems that Auto colorspace everywhere is the best choice with 2.07 (note that I hadn't tried with the previous f/w).
Yes with the Panasonic (at least that's the way my UB900 works) you can select priority to bit depth or priority to chroma. As long as it sends 422 12bits or RGB/444 8bits, you're fine. What you want to avoid (if at all possible) is RGB 12bits or 444 12bits.

Just to clarify, the colospace setting in the JVC has no effect in V2.07 with 12bits content. You can select anything, it will always force YCC422 internally when it detects a 12bits input. So the only control you have to avoid a chroma downconversion is by making sure that the source sends 8bits 4:4:4 or 12bits 422. Any 12bits RGB or YCC444 content will be downconverted to YCC422.

Selecting Colorspace to Auto in the JVC is recommended with any version of the software:

With pre-2.07 versions, setting colorsapce to auto in the JVC "works" with all inputs (RGB and YCC 422 or 444). However, it downconverts internally RGB and YCC444 to YCC422 when it detects 12bits content. Selecting any other option than auto when you're not sending YCC422 produces a garbled picture and makes it obvious that the JVC is doing a chroma down-conversion behind the source's back. So manually selecting the format sent by your source is an obvious way to see if the content is molested, but auto is the only "safe" option with previous f/w. Unless you're sending YCC422, all the other options will produce a garbled picture with 12bits content.

With V2.07, setting colorspace to auto in the JVC, like the other options, still forces YCC 422 internally with 12bits content, but you can't see as easily when the JVC does a chroma down-conversion behind the source's back when anything but YCC 422 is sent. If you manually select YCC444 or RGB, it has no effect. The other options are simply disabled and have the same behaviour as auto in the previous f/w. In other words, you can't force YCC444 or RGB in 12bits anymore, so you don't get the tell-tale garbled content. There is zero change compared to using auto with previous versions. But now you can use any option for colorspace in the JVC, it doesn't make any difference with 12bits content. Auto = RGB = YCC 444 = YCC422, all are down-converted to YCC422 (well, except YCC422 which stays as it is).

Again, this is NOT a big problem, it's only important to know this so that you select the best setting in the source, especially for gaming/desktop content which should be using 8bits RGB for best results.

With video content, it shouldn't really make much of a difference 99% of the time with actual content.

JVC Autocal Software V12 Calibration for 2019 Models (Google)
Batch Utility V4.02 May 16 2019 to automate measurements files for madVR with support for BD Folders

Last edited by Manni01; 06-02-2019 at 12:39 AM.
Manni01 is offline  
post #12187 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 01:44 AM
Member
 
bathes2051's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 147
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 61 Post(s)
Liked: 38
So everything was working fine on my new NX7 with 2.07 (except when I thought HDR wasn’t working, turned out I picked the wrong disc from a UHD+HD package with Atmos on both discs ), until I started playing with CMD and Motion Enhancement, then boom, only vertical lines.
This was in the vertical hotel sign panning scene near the end of The Matrix.
I noticed that in this movie horizontal pans seem fine, but vertical ones are jittery, so I wanted to try those options (I turned them off originally).
I think it happened when I turned both CMD and Motion Enhancement on, after I resumed playing.

As a software engineer, this smells like a software issue to me: something can’t keep up with this extra workload (this could be a “stress scene” for CMD, if it’s biased towards horizontal changes vs vertical-only, which are less common), and some overflow condition happens.
This was after only 4h on the lamp. I’m back to everything off, and no repro until the end of the movie.
bathes2051 is online now  
post #12188 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 01:50 AM
Member
 
bathes2051's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 147
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 61 Post(s)
Liked: 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manni01 View Post
Yes with the Panasonic (at least that's the way my UB900 works) you can select priority to bit depth or priority to chroma. As long as it sends 422 12bits or RGB/444 8bits, you're fine. What you want to avoid (if at all possible) is RGB 12bits or 444 12bits.

Just to clarify, the colospace setting in the JVC has no effect in V2.07 with 12bits content. You can select anything, it will always force YCC422 internally when it detects a 12bits input. So the only control you have to avoid a chroma downconversion is by making sure that the source sends 8bits 4:4:4 or 12bits 422. Any 12bits RGB or YCC444 content will be downconverted to YCC422.

Selecting Colorspace to Auto in the JVC is recommended with any version of the software:

With pre-2.07 versions, setting colorsapce to auto in the JVC "works" with all inputs (RGB and YCC 422 or 444). However, it downconverts internally RGB and YCC444 to YCC422 when it detects 12bits content. Selecting any other option than auto when you're not sending YCC422 produces a garbled picture and makes it obvious that the JVC is doing a chroma down-conversion behind the source's back. So manually selecting the format sent by your source is an obvious way to see if the content is molested, but auto is the only "safe" option with previous f/w. Unless you're sending YCC422, all the other options will produce a garbled picture with 12bits content.

With V2.07, setting colorspace to auto in the JVC, like the other options, still forces YCC 422 internally with 12bits content, but you can't see as easily when the JVC does a chroma down-conversion behind the source's back when anything but YCC 422 is sent. If you manually select YCC444 or RGB, it has no effect. The other options are simply disabled and have the same behaviour as auto in the previous f/w. In other words, you can't force YCC444 or RGB in 12bits anymore, so you don't get the tell-tale garbled content. There is zero change compared to using auto with previous versions. But now you can use any option for colorspace in the JVC, it doesn't make any difference with 12bits content. Auto = RGB = YCC 444 = YCC422, all are down-converted to YCC422 (well, except YCC422 which stays as it is).

Again, this is NOT a big problem, it's only important to know this so that you select the best setting in the source, especially for gaming/desktop content which should be using 8bits RGB for best results.

With video content, it shouldn't really make much of a difference 99% of the time with actual content.
Yes but it’s weird that forcing 4:2:2 on the 820 seems to cause a 12bits mode not be detected (the JVC just reports YUV), that’s what I wanted to warn people about, if they have their BD player set this way.
bathes2051 is online now  
post #12189 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 02:26 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Manni01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 9,111
Mentioned: 326 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5429 Post(s)
Liked: 5617
Quote:
Originally Posted by bathes2051 View Post
Yes but it’s weird that forcing 4:2:2 on the 820 seems to cause a 12bits mode not be detected (the JVC just reports YUV), that’s what I wanted to warn people about, if they have their BD player set this way.
I attach the settings you want in the UB900, which should be similar. I don't have an UB820, but the JVC does report YUV when receiving 12bits, that's not a problem.

The options you want is YCC 444 (not 420) in the 4K (50/60) output, then Deep color output set to color mode to YCC 4:2:2 and Deep Color Output to Auto (12 bits priority) in the advanced settings. This will select 4K 12bits 4:2:2 with 30p and below, and 8bits 4:4:4 with 50p and above, which is exactly what you want. See the screenshot with the info from the HD Fury Maestro confirming 12bits 4:2:2.

With the Oppo 203, it's simpler, just select YCC 422 for the Video Output / Color Space option.

My post was explaining why it doesn't make sense to recommend "auto" in the JVC in V2.07 the way you did. All the colorspace options produce the same effect when 12bits content is detected with V2.07, so selecting any option doesn't make any difference.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	HDMI Settings.jpg
Views:	59
Size:	290.3 KB
ID:	2574820   Click image for larger version

Name:	Explanation of 4K 444 setting.jpg
Views:	58
Size:	334.7 KB
ID:	2574822   Click image for larger version

Name:	Advanced settings.jpg
Views:	55
Size:	329.3 KB
ID:	2574824   Click image for larger version

Name:	12bits confirmed with HD Fury Maestro.jpg
Views:	61
Size:	382.4 KB
ID:	2574826  
smitty likes this.

JVC Autocal Software V12 Calibration for 2019 Models (Google)
Batch Utility V4.02 May 16 2019 to automate measurements files for madVR with support for BD Folders

Last edited by Manni01; 06-02-2019 at 02:33 AM.
Manni01 is offline  
post #12190 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 03:00 AM
Member
 
bathes2051's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 147
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 61 Post(s)
Liked: 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manni01 View Post
I attach the settings you want in the UB900, which should be similar. I don't have an UB820, but the JVC does report YUV when receiving 12bits, that's not a problem.

The options you want is YCC 444 (not 420) in the 4K (50/60) output, then Deep color output set to color mode to YCC 4:2:2 and Deep Color Output to Auto (12 bits priority) in the advanced settings. This will select 4K 12bits 4:2:2 with 30p and below, and 8bits 4:4:4 with 50p and above, which is exactly what you want. See the screenshot with the info from the HD Fury Maestro confirming 12bits 4:2:2.

With the Oppo 203, it's simpler, just select YCC 422 for the Video Output / Color Space option.

My post was explaining why it doesn't make sense to recommend "auto" in the JVC in V2.07 the way you did. All the colorspace options produce the same effect when 12bits content is detected with V2.07, so selecting any option doesn't make any difference.
Hmm, things are indeed murky on the JVC side, here's what the NX manual says:
Quote:
Displays the color space and color bit depth of the input video signal
  1. The color bit depth is not displayed when YCbCr422 is input.
  2. The color bit depth is displayed when color bit depth information is received from the source device
But at the same time it says:
Quote:
* When the color space is RGB/YCbCr(4:4:4), only 8-bit input is supported
So it sounds like 4:2:2 12bits (which we want) will show just "YUV", but 4:4:4 12bits (which is unsupported, and will be downconverted) will show "YUV 12bit" ("bit depth information received from the source device"), and that's what fooled me? Is this correct?
If so, that's the exact opposite of how I was interpreting the display, so I'm glad I brought it up

Last edited by bathes2051; 06-02-2019 at 03:09 AM.
bathes2051 is online now  
post #12191 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 03:16 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Manni01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 9,111
Mentioned: 326 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5429 Post(s)
Liked: 5617
Quote:
Originally Posted by bathes2051 View Post
Hmm, things are indeed murky on the JVC side, here's what the NX manual says:

But at the same time it says:

So it sounds like 4:2:2 12bits (which we want) will show just "YUV", but 4:4:4 12bits (which is unsupported, and will be downconverted) will show "YUV 12bit" ("bit depth information received from the source device"), and that's what fooled me? Is this correct?
If so, that's the exact opposite of how I was interpreting the display, so I'm glad I brought it up
Yes, correct

YCC 422 12bits will only be reported as YUV on the JVC info screen, but as you can see on the Maestro info at the bottom of the screen in the last screenshot, the UB900 with the settings I've shown is indeed sending YCC 422 12bits.

They do state that RGB or YCC444 are only supported in 8bits, but there is no techical reason for this at 30p and below, given that the 18Gb bandwidth of HDMI 2.0 allows this.

This is why I reported this to JVC as a bug, and am waiting to hear if they can confirm there is some kind of hardware limitation preventing RGB or YCC 444 support in 12bits at 30p or below (perfectly valid with HDMI 2.0) or if they can fix this in a further f/w update.

JVC Autocal Software V12 Calibration for 2019 Models (Google)
Batch Utility V4.02 May 16 2019 to automate measurements files for madVR with support for BD Folders
Manni01 is offline  
post #12192 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 05:15 AM
Advanced Member
 
jmonier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Torrance, CA
Posts: 917
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 205 Post(s)
Liked: 116
Quote:
Originally Posted by desray2k View Post
I've watched the mkv ripped version of this documentary and I have no encounter of any vertical lines on my NX7. Is there a specific "time frame" that I should be looking at to replicate the "problem"?
All I can say is that when I watched it there was 2-3 times where I had to power cycle to continue. I did not record the time frames when this happened.

Since normally I have no problems with movies like this (my problems occur a lot more frequently with videos recorded off air), this seemed to be one to mention. But the vertical lines problem will never occur 100% of the time even on exactly the same material at the same point so I guess you just got "lucky". Or maybe I was unlucky.
jmonier is offline  
post #12193 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 05:41 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JaremyP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: MI
Posts: 1,387
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 772 Post(s)
Liked: 432
So I have a Kaleidescape Strato that outputs 4:4:4 12 bit at 24 Hz and no way to force 4:2:2 like the Oppo and Panasonic allow. What kind of visual effect or impairment should I look out for on my NX7 exactly?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Video: JVC NX7, Stewart Cima Neve 135"
Audio: Marantz AV7704, Emotiva XPA-11 Gen 3
Speakers: Focal Electra 1038 Be x 2, Electra CC 1008 Be, Aria 906 x 8, REL S5 SHO x 2
Sources: Apple TV 4k, Kaleidescape Strato, Oppo 203, Xbox One X, Nintendo Switch
Xbox Live: TrackZ
JaremyP is offline  
post #12194 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 05:49 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JaremyP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: MI
Posts: 1,387
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 772 Post(s)
Liked: 432
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manni01 View Post
Again, this is NOT a big problem, it's only important to know this so that you select the best setting in the source, especially for gaming/desktop content which should be using 8bits RGB for best results.



With video content, it shouldn't really make much of a difference 99% of the time with actual content.

Why use RGB 8 with gaming consoles? If you’re gaming in HDR, wouldn’t you still want 10 or 12 bit output?



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Video: JVC NX7, Stewart Cima Neve 135"
Audio: Marantz AV7704, Emotiva XPA-11 Gen 3
Speakers: Focal Electra 1038 Be x 2, Electra CC 1008 Be, Aria 906 x 8, REL S5 SHO x 2
Sources: Apple TV 4k, Kaleidescape Strato, Oppo 203, Xbox One X, Nintendo Switch
Xbox Live: TrackZ
JaremyP is offline  
post #12195 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 06:00 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Manni01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 9,111
Mentioned: 326 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5429 Post(s)
Liked: 5617
Quote:
Originally Posted by JaremyP View Post
Why use RGB 8 with gaming consoles? If you’re gaming in HDR, wouldn’t you still want 10 or 12 bit output?



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
10 or 12bits output in RGB 4:4:4 is downconverted by the JVC to 422. This will most likely lead to minor jagged edges in games interface panels and a minor loss of chroma resolution compared to 8bits 4:4:4.

If your source requires 10 or 12bits to enable HDR, then you don't have a choice.

On an nVidia GPU, you can get HDR with RGB 8bit output and the chroma resolution is better that way for gaming/desktop.

10/12bits isn't a requirement for outputting HDR video content, as long as the source has good dithering. You do need 10bits in the content itself though.

JVC Autocal Software V12 Calibration for 2019 Models (Google)
Batch Utility V4.02 May 16 2019 to automate measurements files for madVR with support for BD Folders

Last edited by Manni01; 06-02-2019 at 06:04 AM.
Manni01 is offline  
post #12196 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 06:02 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Manni01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 9,111
Mentioned: 326 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5429 Post(s)
Liked: 5617
Quote:
Originally Posted by JaremyP View Post
So I have a Kaleidescape Strato that outputs 4:4:4 12 bit at 24 Hz and no way to force 4:2:2 like the Oppo and Panasonic allow. What kind of visual effect or impairment should I look out for on my NX7 exactly?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
None that you would notice without looking for it with video content. Just enjoy your Kaleidescape and NX7, great combo
llang269 likes this.

JVC Autocal Software V12 Calibration for 2019 Models (Google)
Batch Utility V4.02 May 16 2019 to automate measurements files for madVR with support for BD Folders
Manni01 is offline  
post #12197 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 07:13 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
desray2k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Singapore
Posts: 1,139
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 481 Post(s)
Liked: 229
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmonier View Post
All I can say is that when I watched it there was 2-3 times where I had to power cycle to continue. I did not record the time frames when this happened.



Since normally I have no problems with movies like this (my problems occur a lot more frequently with videos recorded off air), this seemed to be one to mention. But the vertical lines problem will never occur 100% of the time even on exactly the same material at the same point so I guess you just got "lucky". Or maybe I was unlucky.

I think the problem can be replicated if you do 2 things. Either you pause, do a fast forward, skip chapters or stop the clip enough times. In one the scenarios (pause), I finally get the vertical lines you mentioned. However if I don’t do anything and just let the show run through in its entirety. I can almost guarantee that I will never encounter this issue.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Craig Peer likes this.
desray2k is offline  
post #12198 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 07:34 AM
Advanced Member
 
jmonier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Torrance, CA
Posts: 917
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 205 Post(s)
Liked: 116
Quote:
Originally Posted by desray2k View Post
I think the problem can be replicated if you do 2 things. Either you pause, do a fast forward, skip chapters or stop the clip enough times. In one the scenarios (pause), I finally get the vertical lines you mentioned. However if I don’t do anything and just let the show run through in its entirety. I can almost guarantee that I will never encounter this issue.
My experience is the opposite of yours. I've been seeing this problem ever since I upgraded to 1.20 from 1.17 (my RS3000 was in the first batch to be released from JVC QC). I'm not sure if I've ever encountered the problem doing what you're saying. If I have, it's been very rare and I would have to call it coincidence.

I can reproduce the problem fairly reliably with a 6 sec clip that I have, but without ever doing anything that you mentioned above. JVC has this clip and I'm waiting to see what they find.
jmonier is offline  
post #12199 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 08:06 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
desray2k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Singapore
Posts: 1,139
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 481 Post(s)
Liked: 229
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmonier View Post
My experience is the opposite of yours. I've been seeing this problem ever since I upgraded to 1.20 from 1.17 (my RS3000 was in the first batch to be released from JVC QC). I'm not sure if I've ever encountered the problem doing what you're saying. If I have, it's been very rare and I would have to call it coincidence.



I can reproduce the problem fairly reliably with a 6 sec clip that I have, but without ever doing anything that you mentioned above. JVC has this clip and I'm waiting to see what they find.


Maybe you want to forward that 6 secs clip to me to test it out?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Dandlj likes this.
desray2k is offline  
post #12200 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 09:00 AM
Advanced Member
 
DVD MAN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Marlboro, NJ
Posts: 972
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 231 Post(s)
Liked: 113
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manni01 View Post
I attach the settings you want in the UB900, which should be similar. I don't have an UB820, but the JVC does report YUV when receiving 12bits, that's not a problem.

The options you want is YCC 444 (not 420) in the 4K (50/60) output, then Deep color output set to color mode to YCC 4:2:2 and Deep Color Output to Auto (12 bits priority) in the advanced settings. This will select 4K 12bits 4:2:2 with 30p and below, and 8bits 4:4:4 with 50p and above, which is exactly what you want. See the screenshot with the info from the HD Fury Maestro confirming 12bits 4:2:2.

With the Oppo 203, it's simpler, just select YCC 422 for the Video Output / Color Space option.

My post was explaining why it doesn't make sense to recommend "auto" in the JVC in V2.07 the way you did. All the colorspace options produce the same effect when 12bits content is detected with V2.07, so selecting any option doesn't make any difference.
Hi Manni,

If I set the Panasonic 9000 to YCC 444 4K (50/60) output, the Deep Color mode to YCC 4:2:2 and 12 bits priority. Will this allow for all of the video Processing of the 9000 to be viewed at on the NX9 to its full potential for Blu Rays?
Since there is a limatation on the with RGB or YCC 444 to support 12bits at 30p or below does that mean that I can't view 1080P Blu Rays at 444 12bits with the 9000 doing all the video processing?

Home Theater: Stewart -100” 4 Way Sreenwall Electric Masking, JVC-DLA-NX9 Tivo Vox, Oppo-UDP-205, Roku 4K Ultra, Apple TV 4K, Panasonic UB9000 , Marantz AV8802A-7.1 SSP, Ayre K5 MP Stereo Pre Amp, Clearaudio Concept Turntable, Schitt Audio Phono Pre Amp, Rotel RB-1070, Rotel RMB-1095, Rotel RB-933, Ayre-V5xe,Vandersteen-3A Signature-Front LR, Vandersteen-VCC-5-Center, Vandersteen-VSM-Surrounds and Atmos, Dual SVS PB16 Ultras Subwoofers.
DVD MAN is offline  
post #12201 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 09:21 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Manni01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 9,111
Mentioned: 326 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5429 Post(s)
Liked: 5617
Quote:
Originally Posted by DVD MAN View Post
Hi Manni,

If I set the Panasonic 9000 to YCC 444 4K (50/60) output, the Deep Color mode to YCC 4:2:2 and 12 bits priority. Will this allow for all of the video Processing of the 9000 to be viewed at on the NX9 to its full potential for Blu Rays?
Since there is a limatation on the with RGB or YCC 444 to support 12bits at 30p or below does that mean that I can't view 1080P Blu Rays at 444 12bits with the 9000 doing all the video processing?
Your choice is as follow:

1) ask the UB9000 to usconvert chroma from 4:2:0 to 4:4:4. If you send 12bits, the JVC will internally downconvert to 422 before reupconverting to 444. Although the loss in chroma resolution doing this is minimal with video content, I don’t recommend it.

2) ask the UB9000 to upconvert chroma from 4:2:0 to 4:2:2 using the settings I recommended. Then the JVC will do the upconversion from 4:2:2 to 4:4:4. This is what I recommend, though the chroma layer is already 1080p with UHD, somit does. ‘T make a huge difference. I just think it provides the cleanest path.

At the end of the day, try both and pick the one you prefer. I’m only making a recommendation, but the difference with video content is minimal. Select the setting that makes you happy.
DVD MAN likes this.

JVC Autocal Software V12 Calibration for 2019 Models (Google)
Batch Utility V4.02 May 16 2019 to automate measurements files for madVR with support for BD Folders
Manni01 is offline  
post #12202 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 09:37 AM
Advanced Member
 
jmonier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Torrance, CA
Posts: 917
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 205 Post(s)
Liked: 116
Quote:
Originally Posted by desray2k View Post
Maybe you want to forward that 6 secs clip to me to test it out?
There's been a lot of confusion and conflicting information about the issue on this forum. I've really been waiting to see what JVC says about it. So I've been a little reluctant to distribute it generally. And this forum will not let me attach a mp4 to a forum msg or (apparently) attach it to a PM.

If you do want to try it send me a PM with your email address or a place to upload it.
jmonier is offline  
post #12203 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 10:07 AM
Senior Member
 
adamf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: SE Pennsylvania
Posts: 387
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 13
Proud new owner of the RS-2000 (thanks Mike!).
I have an Oppo 203 connected to a Pioneer Elite SC-75 and then JVC RS-2000 (v2.07).
New HDMI cables

If I have the Pioneer Elite to JVC, 3kx2k picture from the SA comcast cable box (obv upconverted)
If I go direct from Oppo to JVC on main menu, 3k x 2k picture and can play 3k x2k disc
If I go oppo to Pioneer to JVC, I have a 3k x 2k picture on the main oppo only menu but when I try to play UHD discs (including the 2019 DTS Demo UHD or Matrix UHD, or 5th element, it always drops back to 1080p??
I have the Oppo Video outpt resolution as "Custom" (as "Auto" would even set the main menu on Oppo as then 1080p). Custom Resolution as UHD auto (though worrisome, if I say "UHD 24Hz", it says Connected HDMI device does not support 4kx2K signal).

I've tried two different cables between player and receiver. Can't really change the receiver to JVC cable as 30 feet away.

Any thoughts or best settings for the Oppo 203/JVC to lock the UHD picture. SC-75 says it is 4K "ready" though I realize slightly older receiver). I saw Manni's YCC 422 recommendation earlier but can't even get consistent UHD signal so have to solve that first?

Thanks in advance,
Adam

EDIT 1:30p. Looks like on the Pioneer Elite, I needed to use the BD input for auto detecting 4096 x 2K. Not just random HDMI input like I did. still a long latency though to get an HDMI Lock. Audio starts much before I'm able to get a picture but small price to pay I guess once it locks in
Mike Garrett likes this.

Adam
Our Home Theater
The Bunker

Last edited by adamf; 06-02-2019 at 10:33 AM.
adamf is offline  
post #12204 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 11:29 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
N8DOGG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 7,531
Mentioned: 51 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1321 Post(s)
Liked: 1558
Well, just ordered my new NX5 for the new theater room!
Even though I could get the NX7 for a substantial discount, I like to swap projectors quite often, so the deal I got on the nx5 will let me get a real nice screen for still less than retail.
So I was all fixed on a 135 to 140" 16x9 AT screen ( 50/50 games and movies) but Im now second guessing my decision not to go with a 2.35....
I will have about 16 to 17 feet of projector distance, so looks like I can go with a 145" 2.35 screen if I desired... just sucks to loose so much screen real estate going to 16x9....
Has anyone done a 16x9 masking system? Could get some foam board, velvet and some velcro and Im sure fashion one....
Whats your guys thoughts on it? Have any of you with the JVC got a similar size screen and have pros and cons?

Room will be 13.5 x 20 x 9.5 ceilings.
Craig Peer likes this.

Blasting brown notes for 10 years and counting!

N8DOGG is offline  
post #12205 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 11:42 AM
AVS Forum Club Gold
 
GlenC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: So. Cal - Downey, CA / Rancho Santa Margarita
Posts: 2,596
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 27 Post(s)
Liked: 34
Quote:
Originally Posted by hjones View Post
On the RS3000 does the use of vertical lens shift impact image quality? I know keystone (or whatever it is called now) adjustment is to be avoided. I have the projector on an adjustable shelf and can move it up and down. If I should avoid lens shift how can I tell if it is at zero setting? Thanks.
I have mine in the same setup, projector is above the top of screen. Image is good, however, you will need to do some fine pixel adjusting.

Glen Carter
Home Theater Calibration
CalMAN, CS1000, K10-A, Spyder5, Six-G, QD780
JVC RS3000, RS2000, RS600
GlenC is offline  
post #12206 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 02:19 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
dlinsley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 1,103
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 547 Post(s)
Liked: 438
Quote:
Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post
Has anyone done a 16x9 masking system? Could get some foam board, velvet and some velcro and Im sure fashion one....
Whats your guys thoughts on it?
@zombie10k has a good writeup of how he built his: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post54735385
dlinsley is online now  
post #12207 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 03:01 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
N8DOGG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 7,531
Mentioned: 51 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1321 Post(s)
Liked: 1558
Quote:
Originally Posted by dlinsley View Post
@zombie10k has a good writeup of how he built his: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post54735385
Looks similar to what I was thinking but Im unclear on how it attaches to the frame... does it attach over the frame? Or between the frame?
Either way, I think thats gonna be my best bet. Ive been pouring over the interwebs for the last few days finding ideas. I think I would loose to much going 2.35 vs 16x9.... Id miss the big screen for gaming!

Blasting brown notes for 10 years and counting!

N8DOGG is offline  
post #12208 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 03:20 PM
Advanced Member
 
locutus2k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Rome, Italy
Posts: 899
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 252 Post(s)
Liked: 87
Can someone please give some link to download 4K test patterns as the "quick fox" pattern and others (especially to fine adjust focus)?
Thanks in advance
locutus2k is offline  
post #12209 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 03:44 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
zombie10k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 12,852
Mentioned: 164 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5348 Post(s)
Liked: 5684
Quote:
Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post
Looks similar to what I was thinking but Im unclear on how it attaches to the frame... does it attach over the frame? Or between the frame?
Either way, I think thats gonna be my best bet. Ive been pouring over the interwebs for the last few days finding ideas. I think I would loose to much going 2.35 vs 16x9.... Id miss the big screen for gaming!
over the frame. the setup works awesome.. very quick to attach and remove. send me a PM for info.
zombie10k is offline  
post #12210 of 17804 Old 06-02-2019, 03:54 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
zombie10k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 12,852
Mentioned: 164 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5348 Post(s)
Liked: 5684
Quote:
Originally Posted by locutus2k View Post
Can someone please give some link to download 4K test patterns as the "quick fox" pattern and others (especially to fine adjust focus)?
Thanks in advance
post 38 in this thread:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post56805750
zombie10k is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Digital Hi-End Projectors - $3,000+ USD MSRP

Tags
Jvc , nx7 , nx9 , rs2000 , rs3000

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off