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Someone here said that HiRes doesnt work unless you have a + number set in Enhance, is this fact and why?
I prefer to use any sharpening in madvr but wonder if HiRes is worth it or not...

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Someone here said that HiRes doesnt work unless you have a + number set in Enhance, is this fact and why?
I prefer to use any sharpening in madvr but wonder if HiRes is worth it or not...
As far as i'm (beginning to) understand, setting "standard" will result in a sharpening of the whole image in a "traditional way" (something like raising the general sharpness level on a player like Oppo) but with very few if none negative side effects. "High res" in cmd is specific for a pc input (gaming and similar) but with a native 4k signal (movie) will act in a more subtle way "enhancin" fine small details in a very smooth way. What i can say for sure is that there is a visible difference switching forth and back between the two modes. Anyone can choose what likes better.
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Simply: more detail in 4k using "standard" mode. A LOT more.
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Wonder why JVC recommends high-res for 4K, then.
My guess is that "standard" adds some artificial sharpening processing to help with 2K images where 4K doesn't.

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Someone here said that HiRes doesnt work unless you have a + number set in Enhance, is this fact and why?
I prefer to use any sharpening in madvr but wonder if HiRes is worth it or not...
JVC's enhancement sucks. MadVR's is incredible. That should be enough

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Some initial thoughts on my NX7 after only 14 hours:
  • Convergence seems perfect out of the box
  • Quick startup
  • Silent in low lamp, quite noisy in high lamp, but it’s white noise, so you get used to it (my Sony was less loud but more whining)
  • No real bright corners but cloudiness and light spillage with a blank image. My RS1 had the same spillage, but definitive bright corners
  • Good black levels (barely above my grey screen), and great contrast. After I lowered brightness to -3, I often see perfect black blending between the image and the unfilled screen areas (2:35 on a 16:9 screen), which I hadn’t seen since... I had a JVC!
  • Like others, I’m running in panel zoom mode for 2.x aspect ratios (different lens mode) on my 16:9 screen. 7% more light output, I haven’t really checked for any loss in sharpness yet (it’s optical zoom vs software zoom, and the software zoom has the opportunity to inject more pixels. The question is: how good are those pixels?)
  • I think the DI does a great job on GoT, where the whole image gets really dark. I never see or hear it working.
  • After hitting the vertical bars bug hard when turning on both MPC and Motion Enhanced, I’m now running with Low Latency on and everything else off. It seems OK with most scenes but motion can get jittery, I’ll probably turn MPC on low later, since I’m used to MotionFlow on low with the Sony, which was great
  • HDR movies out of the Panasonic UB820 with HDR Optimizer at 0 (with just brightness at -1, like someone recommended) combined with auto-mapping on the JVC at +3 and BT2020 are fantastic
  • For SDR, I’m currently running with a custom 2.3 gamma
  • Apparently my Xfinity X1Gv4 cable box is outputting BT2020 (in YUV 4:4:4 10 bits), so I’m running in BT2020 mode with zero iris (Auto2), low lamp for TV
  • With Rec 709 mode from a HD BD and DI in Auto2 mode, the yellowing is immediately obvious from the UB820, since the display status has white text. BT2020 mitigates this, but with a lumen hit in low lamp.
  • Therefore, I might run with BT2020 and fully open iris (Auto2) all the time in all modes. The picture is never too bright for my room, although it can get plenty bright. I wonder how the lamp aging will affect this.
  • Luckily, Kris Deering agreed to come and calibrate things, it will be fun to look back at this post once he’s shed more light onto things (pun intended )
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My guess is that "standard" adds some artificial sharpening processing to help with 2K images where 4K doesn't.



JVC's enhancement sucks. MadVR's is incredible. That should be enough
Does MadVR basically replace the need for the non-existent Darby 4k type sharpening, or is there still some edge contrast missing from the image like with my old 1080p JVC?

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Does MadVR basically replace the need for the non-existent Darby 4k type sharpening, or is there still some edge contrast missing from the image like with my old 1080p JVC?
madVR can do all that stuff but way better. I thought Darby looked pretty terrible.
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Simply: more detail in 4k using "standard" mode. A LOT more.
I actually notice the opposite. It may seem sharper in "standard", but you are losing a lot of details due to blown out highlights.
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I actually notice the opposite. It may seem sharper in "standard", but you are losing a lot of details due to blown out highlights.
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From your pictures to my eyes Standard has more detail but blows out fine detail due to a sort of boosted contrast. And you have to look at your convergence, it seems pretty off to me ...
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From your pictures to my eyes Standard has more detail but blows out fine detail due to a sort of boosted contrast. And you have to look at your convergence, it seems pretty off to me ...
Haha yeah I just turned it on to take that pic.
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Agreed. Love my Paladin lens with an RS1000. No downside whatsoever.

We lack observations from informed videophiles. My guess is that some don't care to push back. I'd ask them to speak up and don't worry about it. The more info, the better.



Placing glass in front of the JVC lens simply cannot have a neutral impact. Further, there is video processing necessary to squeeze the image and create all the extra pixels. Has this video processing been perfected? Did JVC perfect it or is there any improvement by using the Lumagen? I doubt either have perfected this processing to such a degree that there is no adverse effect. So again, if this sort of video processing has been perfected then either JVC did it or Lumagen did. When did that happen?



I'm not suggesting that there isn't a net overall improvement with Paladin+more video processing. For some. Or even many. I'm merely suggesting that we are only hearing about the upside in this thread.

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We lack observations from informed videophiles. My guess is that some don't care to push back. I'd ask them to speak up and don't worry about it. The more info, the better.



Placing glass in front of the JVC lens simply cannot have a neutral impact. Further, there is video processing necessary to squeeze the image and create all the extra pixels. Has this video processing been perfected? Did JVC perfect it or is there any improvement by using the Lumagen? I doubt either have perfected this processing to such a degree that there is no adverse effect. So again, if this sort of video processing has been perfected then either JVC did it or Lumagen did. When did that happen?



I'm not suggesting that there isn't a net overall improvement with Paladin+more video processing. For some. Or even many. I'm merely suggesting that we are only hearing about the upside in this thread.
Kris Deering tested a DCR lens. He said the lens did very well. In actual content, could not tell any loss of sharpness. Takes 4K test patterns and at screen viewing to see any difference and it was very small. So the positive far outweighs the very small negative, other than price.
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We lack observations from informed videophiles. My guess is that some don't care to push back. I'd ask them to speak up and don't worry about it. The more info, the better.



Placing glass in front of the JVC lens simply cannot have a neutral impact. Further, there is video processing necessary to squeeze the image and create all the extra pixels. Has this video processing been perfected? Did JVC perfect it or is there any improvement by using the Lumagen? I doubt either have perfected this processing to such a degree that there is no adverse effect. So again, if this sort of video processing has been perfected then either JVC did it or Lumagen did. When did that happen?



I'm not suggesting that there isn't a net overall improvement with Paladin+more video processing. For some. Or even many. I'm merely suggesting that we are only hearing about the upside in this thread.
If you want the videofiles to chime in I would go to the 20K forum and the Panamorph section and ask your questions. There are a lot of people including Shaun with Panamorph that can answer the ups and downs.

For me I see it with my own eyes. No processing from Lumagen or MadVR just the way it is. Actually in another forum I have been trying out MadVR in the last week and I was told for 4K with the DCR lens I will not see as much of a difference as if I did not have the lens.....

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What are folks thought on future projection models –
My biggest concern that is JVC will chase Nits over Contrast ratio-
I have never liked the image from flat panels - just not natural in my eyes and cartoonish -
as well as image falls apart in the dark and of course can’t compete on size-
I like to watch films in the pitch dark with no visual distractions-
Imagine most love the super bright images of HDR over black levels and jvc likely
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What are folks thought on future projection models –
My biggest concern that is JVC will chase Nits over Contrast ratio-
I have never liked the image from flat panels - just not natural in my eyes and cartoonish -
as well as image falls apart in the dark and of course can’t compete on size-
I like to watch films in the pitch dark with no visual distractions-
Imagine most love the super bright images of HDR over black levels and jvc likely
go where they figure most demand
I doubt that really should be a concern. Remember it took JVC several years to get the contrast of their 1080P panels to the current contrast numbers. JVC has already shown that they are working on improving contrast. Look at the native contrast of the RS3000 compared to the RS4500.
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I doubt that really should be a concern. Remember it took JVC several years to get the contrast of their 1080P panels to the current contrast numbers. JVC has already shown that they are working on improving contrast. Look at the native contrast of the RS3000 compared to the RS4500.
be interesting to watch - no HDR to content with 1080P models thou - Black levels are where they seperate themselves and has been their bread an butter

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speaking of Avatar I hope the sequel comes out soon. Maybe JVC can do what Panasonic did, only way to get the movie is if you buy the 3d kit
Speaking of Avatar, when is the original coming out on 4K Blu-ray ?
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We lack observations from informed videophiles. My guess is that some don't care to push back. I'd ask them to speak up and don't worry about it. The more info, the better.



Placing glass in front of the JVC lens simply cannot have a neutral impact. Further, there is video processing necessary to squeeze the image and create all the extra pixels. Has this video processing been perfected? Did JVC perfect it or is there any improvement by using the Lumagen? I doubt either have perfected this processing to such a degree that there is no adverse effect. So again, if this sort of video processing has been perfected then either JVC did it or Lumagen did. When did that happen?



I'm not suggesting that there isn't a net overall improvement with Paladin+more video processing. For some. Or even many. I'm merely suggesting that we are only hearing about the upside in this thread.
I'm using a Lumagen Radiance Pro. But that also adds dynamic tone mapping for HDR, which is another step forward picture wise.

I was not an anamorphic lens fan for well over a decade. They were always " one step forward, one step back " picture wise for me. There was always some artifact or downside that bugged me. I was pretty much a dedicated " zoomer " for life. The DCR lens made me have to eat my words on that. And I'm at minimum throw. Anyone in the Northern CA area is more than welcome to come see mine. But be careful - you'll want to buy one afterwards.
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Speaking of Avatar, when is the original coming out on 4K Blu-ray ?
Hopefully never, lol.

Avatar to me is only watchable in 3D and is only as such a good movie. I love the immersion on a big screen. I believe in 4K there will be too much distraction from CGI characters related to real actors. I already had a hard time watching it on standard blu-ray. Now what I really wished for, is the 3D version of the extended cut...!
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We lack observations from informed videophiles. My guess is that some don't care to push back. I'd ask them to speak up and don't worry about it. The more info, the better.



Placing glass in front of the JVC lens simply cannot have a neutral impact. Further, there is video processing necessary to squeeze the image and create all the extra pixels. Has this video processing been perfected? Did JVC perfect it or is there any improvement by using the Lumagen? I doubt either have perfected this processing to such a degree that there is no adverse effect. So again, if this sort of video processing has been perfected then either JVC did it or Lumagen did. When did that happen?



I'm not suggesting that there isn't a net overall improvement with Paladin+more video processing. For some. Or even many. I'm merely suggesting that we are only hearing about the upside in this thread.
Define "informed videophiles". Are the likes of Kris Deering, who calibrates projectors and TVs for a living, or John Bishop, who pretty much created the modern day HT experience and has seen more equipment first hand than all of us combined, or people that have been doing this hobby since way back when we were stacking G90s to get the most detail out of sources that had no detail to begin with...do they count?

I think you are basically looking for someone to tell you that a-lens are horrible and that you should never buy one. Or that the drawbacks outweigh the advantages of the a-lens.

The modern projector has come a long way in the past 20 years and the fact that there are still optics (lenses) that still outperform the current tech is a testament to the incredible craftsmanship that the 10-15 year old German lenses truly are. The a-lens is a lost art form for the most part. The fact that Panamorph is still in the fight for an affordable solution is a true statement that this method still works. Yes, you can still buy the old tech of ISCO IIIs via Schneider and you will pay dearly for it. But the rewards far outweigh any potential or even perceivable drawbacks.

So the questions that you want answered is "Are there any drawbacks to a-lenses?" Yes, many. But the end advantages will be so far greater that you will forget them in about 30 seconds. Think of it this way... you will take one or two steps back when you install the lens but you will take 10-20 forward.
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Hopefully never, lol.

Avatar to me is only watchable in 3D and is only as such a good movie. I love the immersion on a big screen. I believe in 4K there will be too much distraction from CGI characters related to real actors. I already had a hard time watching it on standard blu-ray. Now what I really wished for, is the 3D version of the extended cut...!
Ha. Well right back at you - I never watch any 3D. Ever.
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I'm using a Lumagen Radiance Pro. But that also adds dynamic tone mapping for HDR, which is another step forward picture wise.

I was not an anamorphic lens fan for well over a decade. They were always " one step forward, one step back " picture wise for me. There was always some artifact or downside that bugged me. I was pretty much a dedicated " zoomer " for life. The DCR lens made me have to eat my words on that. And I'm at minimum throw. Anyone in the Northern CA area is more than welcome to come see mine. But be careful - you'll want to buy one afterwards.
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Ha. Well right back at you - I never watch any 3D. Ever.
You are really missing some spectacular footage... Some people hate the tech and the glasses.
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You are really missing some spectacular footage... Some people hate the tech and the glasses.
It's easier to pour wine without wearing 3D glasses. I'll take 4K and a nice Barolo instead, thanks !
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Ha. Well right back at you - I never watch any 3D. Ever.
You're losing one of the strongest quality point of your Jvc projector. I have never seen a better 3D than with this N series. Never, and i'm a big fan of 3D since day one so i've seen a lot of tv/projectors. Is just ... stunning!

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You're losing one of the strongest quality point of your Jvc projector. I have never seen a better 3D than with this N series. Never, and i'm a big fan of 3D since day one so i've seen a lot of tv/projectors. Is just ... stunning!

Pour wine in the intermission break
I have no issues pouring wine wearing 3D glasses in the pitch dark, neither does my wife who normally tops our glasses

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I cant remember what A-lens John had at the Springs shootout 2 years ago, but it was extremely impressive I thought! I couldn't see ANY negatives with the demo we were given.
The main negative on the DCR lens is with 16:9 content and needing to take it off if you want it perfect or have a processor that will fix it. For me I just leave it in place and call it a day.....
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You're losing one of the strongest quality point of your Jvc projector. I have never seen a better 3D than with this N series. Never, and i'm a big fan of 3D since day one so i've seen a lot of tv/projectors. Is just ... stunning!

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This! I tried the 3D the other day and was shocked at how good it was. WOW.
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The main negative on the DCR lens is with 16:9 content and needing to take it off if you want it perfect or have a processor that will fix it. For me I just leave it in place and call it a day.....
Be happy to fix that for you.........
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We lack observations from informed videophiles. My guess is that some don't care to push back. I'd ask them to speak up and don't worry about it. The more info, the better.



Placing glass in front of the JVC lens simply cannot have a neutral impact. Further, there is video processing necessary to squeeze the image and create all the extra pixels. Has this video processing been perfected? Did JVC perfect it or is there any improvement by using the Lumagen? I doubt either have perfected this processing to such a degree that there is no adverse effect. So again, if this sort of video processing has been perfected then either JVC did it or Lumagen did. When did that happen?

I'm not suggesting that there isn't a net overall improvement with Paladin+more video processing. For some. Or even many. I'm merely suggesting that we are only hearing about the upside in this thread.
Begs the questions: How many witnesses/testimonials are needed? What exactly qualifies someone to be an "informed videophile". The JVC users posting in this (JVC) thread are not exactly a truckload of video neophytes.

There are other threads as well on AVS relative to the Paladin and Paladin DCR lens. Have you read them, and secondarily, have you read any substantial negatives in any of those threads? If I had to guess, I would guess the answer is no to both questions.
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You're losing one of the strongest quality point of your Jvc projector. I have never seen a better 3D than with this N series. Never, and i'm a big fan of 3D since day one so i've seen a lot of tv/projectors. Is just ... stunning!

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There is no intermission break. And I don't have an "N " series projector - I have an RS4500.
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