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Has somebody the combo DILA N7 and panasonic Ub9000 and struggle to get HDR out of Netflix app? I tried everything but it doesn't work. I have no problem with UHD 4K disks
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Begs the questions: How many witnesses/testimonials are needed? What exactly qualifies someone to be an "informed videophile". The JVC users posting in this (JVC) thread are not exactly a truckload of video neophytes.

You might want to "google" the actual meaning of the phrase "begging the question". (sorry, drives me nuts!)



I'm suspicious of witness/testimonial that is so one-sided. I like the enthusiasm in home theater, but there seems to be little if any challenge to common practices, especially with surround sound. So yeah, I'm a touch skeptical, but not irrationally so.


Anyhow, what does make someone an "informed videophile"? I'm not among them, but I appreciate the very basics such as easily distinguishing between physical disc (Blu or UHD) releases sourced from 35mm film, where there absolutely must be film grain, versus digital (or where there's a mix of cameras such as 35mm/65mm in Dunkirk). I'm inclined to eschew to use of DNR and I won't be fooled to believe that film could (or should!) look that way. So, a videophile is examining and critiquing content. The video display's shortcomings must be appreciated and distinguished from that of the content.

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There is no intermission break. And I don't have an "N " series projector - I have an RS4500.
Then one of us is in the wrong thread! The RS4500 is excellent at 3D, too. Instead iof intermission break read "pee-break"
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I'm suspicious of witness/testimonial that is so one-sided. I like the enthusiasm in home theater, but there seems to be little if any challenge to common practices, especially with surround sound. So yeah, I'm a touch skeptical, but not irrationally so.
FWIW I was also sceptical of the DCR lens. I removed my previous Prismasonic lens when I bought my RS600 as it clearly reduced visible resolution versus zooming.

My RS4500 is the first projector I have owned that renders the native pixel grid as well in the very corners as it does in the centre of the screen, natively with its own lens, so there was no way I was going to be able to tolerate any losses to that new found resolution.

To my surprise adding the DCR in front of the RS4500 made no difference to the rendering of that pixel grid, even in the extreme corners, and even though the pixels are smaller due to the vertical compression. If there had have been, I would have returned it straight away. I was anticipating some marginal softening at least, but there is none that I can make out, even at the screen.
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Has somebody the combo DILA N7 and panasonic Ub9000 and struggle to get HDR out of Netflix app? I tried everything but it doesn't work. I have no problem with UHD 4K disks
Do you subscribe to the top level Netflix membership which is required for 4k content? Are you using the Panasonic download app or another device such as Apple TV or Roku?
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You might want to "google" the actual meaning of the phrase "begging the question". (sorry, drives me nuts!)

Looked it up. Clearly I should have used 'prompts the question'. You weren't a linguistics major by chance?
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Has somebody the combo DILA N7 and panasonic Ub9000 and struggle to get HDR out of Netflix app? I tried everything but it doesn't work. I have no problem with UHD 4K disks
As I asked in the other thread, it would be helpful if you indicated your AVR, and any other devices and cables that are in the path from your UB9000 to your N7. It should work, and since it's not, something is going awry somewhere.

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Do you subscribe to the top level Netflix membership which is required for 4k content? Are you using the Panasonic download app or another device such as Apple TV or Roku?
Yes, If I use the internal Netflix app of my oled tv I can see HDR. The player is directly connected to the projectors as the AVR (KRELL HTS 7.1) is connected in analog. I don't have any problem displaying HDR from the player with 4k discs so it's not a matter of the hdmi cable.
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Yes, If I use the internal Netflix app of my oled tv I can see HDR. The player is directly connected to the projectors as the AVR (KRELL HTS 7.1) is connected in analog. I don't have any problem displaying HDR from the player with 4k discs so it's not a matter of the hdmi cable.
Check that you have the 4K60 color space option in the player set to 4:4:4 and not 4:2:0.

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The Paladin is not glass btw, it's a plastic lens , but a very well engineered plastic element that some avoid acknowledging as such. Even those selling didn't know it was plastic and reviewers calling it "Great Glass" all a deception becasue they are the same individuals that criticised the plastic main element of the Sony models . Reviewers calling the DCR as "great glass" when in fact it's a arcrylic hybrid " plastic' composite lens is very convenient way to, "have your cake and eat it too" unfortunately that is not being honest.



I've owned every last lens Panamorph has made, the additional light more than anything required for a larger screen, improved resolution , improved 3D and HDR performance. The current DCR is indeed as good as all previous glass element lens , actually improved for 8K resolution . During the last year or more , I've used the ISCO IIIL side by side with the DCR, there is no measureable difference in quality , friends in the UK did the same comparison at a shootout and were surprised the DCR performed as good as the ISCO on 4K patterns . The only real difference is the design and application as one suited best for curved ( ISCO) the Paladin best suited for flat screens. Plastic has the advantage of being 1/3 the weight, the DCR design allows the shortest throw which allows the maximum available light output . Panamorph customer support is wonderful, Sean has gone well beyond the norms for customer support, has even supported and fixed issues with second hand product long beyond warrany. They are a local company that are real and available to call for customer support, it doesn't get any better . I know some have remarked the cost is high , but then again this is common for all high end AV product . I determined the cost was well worth the investment for all the reasons mentioned , but back when I did not have the funds for new I managed to get second hand product for great pricing, Panamorph still gave me great support , I cannot say enough about how great their support has been.



I will use the Paladin DCR with my VW5000 I expect the same improvements everyone else does, improved brightness and resolution with no losses. Plastic will perform as good as anything when manufactured properly , that's obvious as many "plastic" critics use the Paladin with their flagship projectors too.
"the DCR design allows the shortest throw which allows the maximum available light output."

I'm pretty sure an ISCOIII allows the shortest throw. My projector is 13ft from a 133 2:35 inch screen and I cannot even zoom out to fill that screen. Projected zoomed out image is about 4 inches from the border and i'm guessing in order for a DCR to work it needs to be far enough back so the image touches the border before it's compressed.

If that's the case I would need to move my projector back for a DCR lens.

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Check that you have the 4K60 color space option in the player set to 4:4:4 and not 4:2:0.
That is already 4:4:4
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Yes, If I use the internal Netflix app of my oled tv I can see HDR. The player is directly connected to the projectors as the AVR (KRELL HTS 7.1) is connected in analog. I don't have any problem displaying HDR from the player with 4k discs so it's not a matter of the hdmi cable.
Let's concentrte on the Netflix APP built into the UB9000 under main menu " NETWORK SERVICE" . Now go to SETUP on your UB9000. The following is my settings.

PLAYER SETTINGS

Resolution - AUTO
4k/60 Output - 4k/60p 4-4-4
24p Output - AUTO
HDMI (Video) Output Mode - AUTO
HDR10+ Setting - ON

ADVANCED SETTINGS

Color Mode - YCbCr (AUTO)
Deep Color Output - AUTO (12 bit priority)
25p/50p Output - OFF

My setup is NX9 fed by the UB9000 via Marantz 8805 Pre-Pro

It works perfectly for 4k Discs and Netflix with HDR signal indicated on the NX9

The above works for me. I suspect that your4k/60 Output is something different from mine???

Please note that not all 4k content on Netflix is HDR encoded. The selection screen at top displays the video and sound features for each program.

As you indicate that 4k discs exhibit HDR properly I assume that your JVC NX7 settings are correct.

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"the DCR design allows the shortest throw which allows the maximum available light output."

I'm pretty sure an ISCOIII allows the shortest throw. My projector is 13ft from a 133 2:35 inch screen and I cannot even zoom out to fill that screen. Projected zoomed out image is about 4 inches from the border and i'm guessing in order for a DCR to work it needs to be far enough back so the image touches the border before it's compressed.

If that's the case I would need to move my projector back for a DCR lens.
That quote from Roxiedog is wrong. The Paladin and DCR lens are made of glass - not plastic. Shawn has pointed this out several times - Panamorph has not made plastic lenses in many years. Please refrain from spreading " fake news ". Thank you.
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That quote from Roxiedog is wrong. The Paladin and DCR lens are made of glass - not plastic. Shawn has pointed this out several times - Panamorph has not made plastic lenses in many years. Please refrain from spreading " fake news ". Thank you.
I was only talking about the throw distances, which has nothing to do with what the lens is made of.

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I was only talking about the throw distances, which has nothing to do with what the lens is made of.
Then you should have not used the un-edited quote from Roxiedog. Edit out the incorrect info ( has was corrected on this by Shawn ).
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Then you should have not used the un-edited quote from Roxiedog. Edit out the incorrect info ( has was corrected on this by Shawn ).
Or you could just read what I wrote, not very difficult. The context was very clear.

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"the DCR design allows the shortest throw which allows the maximum available light output."

I'm pretty sure an ISCOIII allows the shortest throw. My projector is 13ft from a 133 2:35 inch screen and I cannot even zoom out to fill that screen. Projected zoomed out image is about 4 inches from the border and i'm guessing in order for a DCR to work it needs to be far enough back so the image touches the border before it's compressed.

If that's the case I would need to move my projector back for a DCR lens.
What is meant is that as it is a VC (Vertical Compression) lens it works at the shorter throw / max zoom and so with more light being input into the lens than an HE lens, for a given distance from the screen. For example, using the zoom method I measured a 7% increase in total light when zooming an RS600 (haven't checked my RS3000) to fill the scope screen compared to the total light at the unzoomed 16:9. So the DCR starts with 7% more light into it than if I had continued to use the UH480.
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Or you could just read what I wrote, not very difficult. The context was very clear.
Or you could remove this - " The Paladin is not glass btw, it's a plastic lens , but a very well engineered plastic element that some avoid acknowledging as such. Even those selling didn't know it was plastic and reviewers calling it "Great Glass" all a deception becasue they are the same individuals that criticised the plastic main element of the Sony models . Reviewers calling the DCR as "great glass" when in fact it's a arcrylic hybrid " plastic' composite lens is very convenient way to, "have your cake and eat it too" unfortunately that is not being honest. "

Because it's wrong. When you dredge up old posts with the Wayback Machine out of context, you spread misinformation.
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Or you could remove this - " The Paladin is not glass btw, it's a plastic lens , but a very well engineered plastic element that some avoid acknowledging as such. Even those selling didn't know it was plastic and reviewers calling it "Great Glass" all a deception becasue they are the same individuals that criticised the plastic main element of the Sony models . Reviewers calling the DCR as "great glass" when in fact it's a arcrylic hybrid " plastic' composite lens is very convenient way to, "have your cake and eat it too" unfortunately that is not being honest. "

Because it's wrong. When you dredge up old posts with the Wayback Machine out of context, you spread misinformation.
I didn't dredge up an old post, that was the latest post I was caught up to when I replied about the "THOW DISTANCE"

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I didn't dredge up an old post, that was the latest post I was caught up to when I replied about the "THOW DISTANCE"
My apologies - it was so far back I thought this was an old post. This thread moves fast. Anyway, I'll get Shawn Kelly to chime in.

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Looked it up. Clearly I should have used 'prompts the question'. You weren't a linguistics major by chance?

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Just received my RS2000. It came double boxed with bubble wrap on all sides between both boxes. Neither the exterior and interior box was damaged.
Very good, some of you guys only waited like a year for shipping
I'd be setting that bad boy up ASAP to see what it can do...

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My guess is that "standard" adds some artificial sharpening processing to help with 2K images where 4K doesn't.



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Um, just to be perfectly clear (did I say that?) Panamorph lenses are made from high end optical projection glass to higher than typical industry Mil-Spec standards with optimized AR coatings. It is true that they are hybrids of cylindrical and prism technologies which makes them expensive to produce, but they are certainly made completely from glass which is why when we say we've sold tons of lenses its quite literal.

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Very good, some of you guys only waited like a year for shipping

I'd be setting that bad boy up ASAP to see what it can do...


I played winter soldier on it and so far so good. None of the styrofoam was cracked either. I’m stoked.


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I played winter soldier on it and so far so good. None of the styrofoam was cracked either. I’m stoked.


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I was under the impression that there was someone at the factory pre-breaking it, it was so common. The styrofoam breaker must be on vacation.
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Speaking of Avatar, when is the original coming out on 4K Blu-ray ?
LOL, when the new movie is released.
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