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post #12811 of 17999 Old 06-16-2019, 11:16 PM
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Once I get word from JVC that they did find out what the issue is and a fix is on its way, I will purchase it again.😉
I doubt we we'll ever get an official statement by Jvc about the "blue bars" issue. At the same time i'm confident that actual production units, as well as reconditioned units from previous production, will not have any issue. Obviously this is only speculation from me but based on real life experience: apart from a couple of users who had the "lines" after many hours (100+) of use my experience is that if a unit has an issue it will happen in the first 10+ hours of use. This is what happened with my first NX9 and this is the experience other users i've been in contact locally (i'm in Italy) had, too. If you have a chance to verify production date before purchasing, go for a MAY unit with stock 2.06 or 2.07 firmware and i'm pretty sure you'll have a great machine with zero issues.
One last word for Jvc service: it really shines i can't praise enough how efficient and trouble free is. Sure, i've waited a month for my replacement trouble free NX9 to came, but in the meantime i've had full use of the "bugged" unit and put hundreds hours on it of tests and movie watching; when the new one arrived i've just swapped machines and gave the "old" one to the Service as a results i've had a brand new projector and 100+ hours of experience for settings, beahviour etc. on the previous projector. Couldn't be more happy.
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(Preliminary) SURVEY RESULTSThank you to the 83 survey respondents but this analysis will focus on the 74 owners (48 located in the U.S.) of a newer JVC model. The bottom line is that dominant issues detailed on this forum have occurred in a minority of all 3 NX models thus far with firmware versions 2.01 or later. Interestingly, those still on early firmware versions 1.17 or 1.19 (presumably earlier projectors) have not yet experienced issues, but this is still only a small number of the total.
Your work on this survey is greatly appreciated. Were you able to determine how many/what percentage of the respondents who reported "bars" were utilizing either an Nvidia Shield or external renderer (with an Nvidia chip set?) versus those who reported the problem when using other media sources?
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My projector, from the first shipment to hit the US, had the problem even with 2.07 but the replacement (last week) is fine. JVC was very quick to decide that I qualified for Advanced Exchange once they knew that 2.07 didn't fix the problem.



I am sure it will not be long.

It seems to be happening swiftly.....



Maybe in the US but in Australia I ran into some resistance.
JVC offered phone advice which I have followed but I haven't received a reply to my email.


Was not in the mood to take down the projector and take it to a local authorized repair place just to prove the problem occurs.
I updated FW from 2.04 to 2.07 and had it calibrated



No issues since updating FW to 2.07 so far and loving every minute of it.
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I doubt we we'll ever get an official statement by Jvc about the "blue bars" issue. At the same time i'm confident that actual production units, as well as reconditioned units from previous production, will not have any issue. Obviously this is only speculation from me but based on real life experience: apart from a couple of users who had the "lines" after many hours (100+) of use my experience is that if a unit has an issue it will happen in the first 10+ hours of use. This is what happened with my first NX9 and this is the experience other users i've been in contact locally (i'm in Italy) had, too. If you have a chance to verify production date before purchasing, go for a MAY unit with stock 2.06 or 2.07 firmware and i'm pretty sure you'll have a great machine with zero issues.
One last word for Jvc service: it really shines i can't praise enough how efficient and trouble free is. Sure, i've waited a month for my replacement trouble free NX9 to came, but in the meantime i've had full use of the "bugged" unit and put hundreds hours on it of tests and movie watching; when the new one arrived i've just swapped machines and gave the "old" one to the Service as a results i've had a brand new projector and 100+ hours of experience for settings, beahviour etc. on the previous projector. Couldn't be more happy.
I’m glad that your new NX9 is working the way it should for you. Good luck with that.👍🏼 If JVC cannot assure me that the vertical lines be it blue or green will not suddenly pop up, then I will NOT purchase it again. As great as the NX9 is in other aspects. I feel that this issue is something JVC has to figure out before I would consider buying again.

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I posted this in the Screens forum but getting 0 response, thought I would try here.

I have a 134" 16x9 Carada Brilliant White screen, using it with my Sony VPL-HW40ES. I'm thinking of upgrading my PJ to a JVC NX5.

I'm in a basement dedicated home theater light controlled room, no windows and dark walls. PJ is ceiling mounted with a 17ft throw. One row of seating at 14ft from screen.

I think the BW material spec was 1.3, but everyone said in reality it's probably 1.1

With my situation and distances, will my Carada BW work well with a JVC NX5? I guess I'm wondering if what I have with current throw is bright enough to properly show HDR.
Yea it should be good enough. Too bad you're sitting just so far back though. Your really need to push closer if you want to really benefit from 4K resolution.

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Well I have gone through several cycles of about to buy/not about to buy the NX9 over the last 7-8 months independently of the issues that have become pronounced since the official release earlier this year.
I am a proud Sony 1000es and JVC rs600 owner(and a Panasonic AE2000 for good measure!) but would love to pit an NX9 up against the 1000es.


The 1000es has had the rs600(and the Panasonic AE2000) for dinner in my set up.
The NX9 would offer a different and much tougher challenge to the 1000es. But an NX9 afflicted with vertical bar problems and the like is a bit disconcerting especially when the starting price is north of 15000£ here in the UK.

So watching this thread closely.
If you have a good tone mapping solution for HDR (madVR or such) and your 1000ES doesn't suffer from panel degradation, then I don't know why you'd not just keep the 1000ES for several more years.

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Not trying to dismiss the vertical line issue but honestly it seems to be fairly low risk at this point in time. Many owners have never even seen the issue and the ones that have, have only had it effect them once or twice and fix the issue with a simple power cycle. If the issue ever progresses and becomes more than a once in a blue moon type of problem there is always the JVC replacement warranty to fall back on to get a new unit.

All I am saying is that this isn't the type of issue that should prevent sales. I have the RS3000 and I am very pleased with it. It isn't perfect, nothing is. There are always issues when scrutinized under a microscope but for general cinematic viewing the image is spectacular. I have had Pioneer Kuro and Panasonic Plasma displays and I put the RS3000 right up there with image and contrast quality. It is definitely a large step up from my Sony 385 and I thought that the Sony threw a good image.
You know I also have 3 Kuros still. While they seem to be great for blacks, the contrast ratio on those only measures around 44K:1. Even your 385ES with its dynamic contrast should have beaten that.

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Yea it should be good enough. Too bad you're sitting just so far back though. Your really need to push closer if you want to really benefit from 4K resolution.
That's a good point. I can move the seating up, what do you suggest? Right now my 14' is eye to screen measurement.

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That's a good point. I can move the seating up, what do you suggest? Right now my 14' is eye to screen measurement.
Well if you're flexible, my suggestion is go for the 4K upgrade first. Then once you have the projector hooked up, play with the seating distances for your taste. I'd say a minimum is to be within a screen width. I started at 14 feet back from a 135" screen (1080p). I went to 10 feet, 8.5 feet, and have since settled in at 7 feet from the 135" screen. So far anyone that's said "that's too close" I've made them at least try it and after everyone says it's awesome. You can really see the details in 4K resolution from this distance.

Once you're done with that you can fill up the space behind your main seating with either a snack chest:

Or maybe some near field subs firing into the back of your seats
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Well if you're flexible, my suggestion is go for the 4K upgrade first. Then once you have the projector hooked up, play with the seating distances for your taste. I'd say a minimum is to be within a screen width. I started at 14 feet back from a 135" screen (1080p). I went to 10 feet, 8.5 feet, and have since settled in at 7 feet from the 135" screen. So far anyone that's said "that's too close" I've made them at least try it and after everyone says it's awesome. You can really see the details in 4K resolution from this distance.

Once you're done with that you can fill up the space behind your main seating with either a snack chest
Nice ideas! I'll definitely experiment once I get the projector.

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Your work on this survey is greatly appreciated. Were you able to determine how many/what percentage of the respondents who reported "bars" were utilizing either an Nvidia Shield or external renderer (with an Nvidia chip set?) versus those who reported the problem when using other media sources?

MORE SURVEY INFO

Good question. There's a lot of data so I'm still parsing the responses but here's a chart comparing the final video sources between the 15 of 74 JVC owners reporting "bars" with the 59 who have not yet experienced "bars."



You can compare all the other variables here.

Comparing these variables for both groups (i.e. firmware, cable length, etc.) I can't identify any "smoking gun" for the cause of the bars. Therefore, it is still quite possible that the key difference between bars vs. no bars is hardware.

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Good question. There's a lot of data so I'm still parsing the responses but here's a chart comparing the final video sources between the 15 of 74 JVC owners reporting "bars" with the 59 who have not yet experienced "bars."



You can compare all the other variables here.

Comparing these variables for both groups (i.e. firmware, cable length, etc.) I can't identify any "smoking gun" for the cause of the bars. Therefore, it is still quite possible that the key difference between bars vs. no bars is hardware.
That's an well constructed breakdown of those who have failures. It would be interesting to know how many JVC owners WITHOUT bars are running through a Lumagen (since that seems to have a somewhat high numbers of problems), madVR or other video renderer. Also, were you able to ascertain how many bars issues were reported for specific manufacturers of AVR? Does one brand seem to be more problematic than others?

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Not trying to dismiss the vertical line issue but honestly it seems to be fairly low risk at this point in time. Many owners have never even seen the issue and the ones that have, have only had it effect them once or twice and fix the issue with a simple power cycle. If the issue ever progresses and becomes more than a once in a blue moon type of problem there is always the JVC replacement warranty to fall back on to get a new unit.

All I am saying is that this isn't the type of issue that should prevent sales. I have the RS3000 and I am very pleased with it. It isn't perfect, nothing is. There are always issues when scrutinized under a microscope but for general cinematic viewing the image is spectacular. I have had Pioneer Kuro and Panasonic Plasma displays and I put the RS3000 right up there with image and contrast quality. It is definitely a large step up from my Sony 385 and I thought that the Sony threw a good image.
Recent units are very unlikely to have this issue. But if someone has a problem, JVC is right on it with firmware or a replacement unit. Even my Sim Lumis Host used to have the rare issue - it would freeze up. And when I say freeze up, you couldn't get it to do anything including turn off. Had to pull the plug. Still one of the best projectors I ever owned. The RS4500, now that I think about it, is the most glitch and problem free projector I've owned in 17+ years. I'd bet the new models will be trouble free too with a few more firmware updates.
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That's an well constructed breakdown of those who have failures.

It would be interesting to know how many JVC owners WITHOUT bars are running through a Lumagen (since that seems to have a somewhat high numbers of problems), madVR or other video renderer.

That's what the bar chart and link in my most recent post above shows. There's no evidence that a video processor is linked to the issue. Of the 59 without bars to date, 42 use an AVR/receiver, 6 use Lumagen, 5 are direct from a player, 5 use HD Fury and 1 MadVR.


Also, were you able to ascertain how many bars issues were reported for specific manufacturers of AVR? Does one brand seem to be more problematic than others?
There's no evidence in the 74 responses that a particular AVR brand or model is linked to the issue. Of the 15 reporting bars, the following are also used by those not reporting bars:

7 Denon (two X8500X, one X6200, one X3500, two x4400 and one unspecified)
3 Marantz (one 7700, one SR7012 and one unspecified)
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1 Yamaha rs2070
2 respondents did not specify their AVR brand

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(Preliminary) SURVEY RESULTS

Thank you to the 83 survey respondents but this analysis will focus on the 74 owners (48 located in the U.S.) of a newer JVC model. The bottom line is that dominant issues detailed on this forum have occurred in a minority of all 3 NX models thus far with firmware versions 2.01 or later. Interestingly, those still on early firmware versions 1.17 or 1.19 (presumably earlier projectors) have not yet experienced issues, but this is still only a small number of the total.

OVERALL NUMBERS
• The good news is of the 74 owning newer JVC projectors, most (56 or about 76%) have not experienced any reliability issues (yet). That leaves 18 (or 24%) who experienced unpredictable reliability (i.e. blue and/or green bars).

• In terms of image issues (i.e. yellowing), 49 (or 66% of the total) reported no issues to date but 25 (or 34%) reported "yellowing" or other image issues.

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• The one RS4500 owner reported no "bars" issue. Three of 15 the NX9/3000 series reported bars, eight of the 37 NX7 / 2000 owners and six of the 19 NX5 /1000 owners reported issues so unwanted bars have occurred across a minority of all newer N-series models.

• In terms of image issues such as "yellowing", two of the 15 NX9 /3000 owners report it, 15 of 37 NX7 / 2000 owners and seven of the 19 NX5/1000 projectors reported it.

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• Interestingly, NO "bars" events were reported with four projectors still on firmware v. 1.19 or three projectors on v. 1.17. Curiously, two units on v. 2.06 also have had no bars. Recall that those installing 2.06 stated the bars were corrected but the colors appeared to be "washed out. V. 2.07 supposedly "restored" the color but also the bars in some units. Conclusion: The unexpected bars have been seen with ALL other firmware versions- including seven of 18 projectors on the latest v. 2.07. If this holds, it would SUGGEST that some of the issues may be related to later firmware combined with certain site factors...not hardware, since but it's still too early to conclude that. I'd like to rerun this survey again in about 5 or 6 months and compare.

• In terms of images ("yellow), again the seven units still on earlier firmware versions 1.17 or 1.19 report no yellowing. Of the remaining now on any other later firmware from 2.01 to 2.07, 25 report yellowing but 49 have no yellowing issues.

This web page summarizes these key issues by model and by firmware versions

Ron

THE "RAW" DATA:
PDF of data from JVC owners only
PDF of all raw data (83 respondents)
Did the survey break down what firmware was on a unit when a problem was encountered? I can't recall it specifically.

Like, of those 7 of 18 on 2.07 that experienced bars, does it narrow it down to them experiencing it while on 2.07? Or could they have experienced it on 1.17 (and others after), but are currently on 2.07?

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Did the survey break down what firmware was on a unit when a problem was encountered? I can't recall it specifically.

Like, of those 7 of 18 on 2.07 that experienced bars, does it narrow it down to them experiencing it while on 2.07? Or could they have experienced it on 1.17 (and others after), but are currently on 2.07?
(3 of the 18 reported reliability issues but not bars specifically. 15 selected "bars" as follows)

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(3 of the 18 reported reliability issues but not bars specifically. 15 selected "bars" as follows)
I'm still not sure this answers what I'm asking.

Since firmware is not a constant variable, I'm wondering if the timing of issues is being captured.

Let me throw out a scenario.

Say I got my projector back in February with 1.17 installed. Shortly after, I experienced the blue bar issue. Then I updated to 2.01 and would see it every now and then. I reported it to my dealer and JVC and received several of the other intermediate firmware updates. And now, finally, I am on 2.07. Since updating to 2.07, I have not experienced the issue.

Now, when going through the survey and I'm asked what firmware I am on, I select 2.07.
Then I get to the question about whether or not I've experienced issues, and I select yes, because I have. And I select that I've reported those issues.

How does that factor into the results? Was there a question for those who had issues (I wasn't - besides the yellowing) about what firmware they were on at the point in time that they experienced that issue?
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I tried to fill in the survey on Sunday but on my iPad the page was spinning forever, and I didn’t get a chance to try on a PC.
I wonder if my issue counts as “bars”: full-blown horizontal multi-color bars, not discrete mono-color bars. Not affecting the menu.
I think I’ve seen a screenshot of this early in the thread.
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Recent units are very unlikely to have this issue. But if someone has a problem, JVC is right on it with firmware or a replacement unit. Even my Sim Lumis Host used to have the rare issue - it would freeze up. And when I say freeze up, you couldn't get it to do anything including turn off. Had to pull the plug. Still one of the best projectors I ever owned. The RS4500, now that I think about it, is the most glitch and problem free projector I've owned in 17+ years. I'd bet the new models will be trouble free too with a few more firmware updates.
I couldn't own a projector that was doing that crap intermittently. I'd always be waiting for it to happen again. It's such a deal breaker.

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So looks like I will get a third replacement N7. I just believe I've been very unlucky in getting units with DI issues. Lets hope that the third time is the charm. Distributor says there is a shortage, as we all know, so I have no idea yet when this will be replaced, but I asked for the latest batch possible.
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So looks like I will get a third replacement N7.
Gee, that would really bestow confidence in a product for me!!!
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If you have a good tone mapping solution for HDR (madVR or such) and your 1000ES doesn't suffer from panel degradation, then I don't know why you'd not just keep the 1000ES for several more years.

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Well as you know yourself there is no substitute for having several projectors side by side in your own set up to test with your own material over a sustained period of time so you can really evaluate the differencials for yourself.

If the NX9 blows my 1000es away then I can offload the Sony at a dirt cheap price and enjoy the NX9 for the rest of the 4K cycle.

If the 1000es blows away or at least surpasses the NX9 then I will offload the NX9 at a knock down price(so making a slight loss).

And whatever else you say about Sony they do put the cat among the pigeons at specific points in time.

They did it in 2004 with the Qualia when there was no 1080i/p competition.
They did it in 2012 with the 1000es when there was no 4K competition(be it in the TV or projection world).
Something tells me they may do it again with 8K.

And I do find it interesting that JVC have pre-empted Sony by installing a quasi 8K option on the NX9

Am still in the process of making up my mind to pull that trigger(its a big trigger) on the NX9.

Am sure it's wonderful projector whatever
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Well as you know yourself there is no substitute for having several projectors side by side in your own set up to test with your own material over a sustained period of time so you can really evaluate the differencials for yourself.

If the NX9 blows my 1000es away then I can offload the Sony at a dirt cheap price and enjoy the NX9 for the rest of the 4K cycle.

If the 1000es blows away or at least surpasses the NX9 then I will offload the NX9 at a knock down price(so making a slight loss).

And whatever else you say about Sony they do put the cat among the pigeons at specific points in time.

They did it in 2004 with the Qualia when there was no 1080i/p competition.
They did it in 2012 with the 1000es when there was no 4K competition(be it in the TV or projection world).
Something tells me they may do it again with 8K.

And I do find it interesting that JVC have pre-empted Sony by installing a quasi 8K option on the NX9

Am still in the process of making up my mind to pull that trigger(its a big trigger) on the NX9.

Am sure it's wonderful projector whatever
My guess is you pay $15k or whatever and find that the NX9 is only slightly better than the 1000ES. If your 1000ES is not degraded, the specs between the two are pretty similar. I'm sure the black floor on the JVC is better but it won't be as good as your RS600 so if you already say it's close, then it'll be even closer than that. The lens on the 1000ES is equal to NX9 most likely. Lumens are basically the same. The only difference here will be HDR support and if you're tone mapping prior to the projector that won't matter either.

I know you are convinced that making pixels 1/4 the size they are at 4K is going to be the next big thing. But pixels are already too small for most to really benefit from 4K as they sit too far back. Even then, the difference between 4k and 1080p is slight, subtle. The difference between 4k and 8k would be even more slight and more subtle.

At 4K, I'm already at the point where I can disable anti aliasing in games and not see jaggies. 8K won't be able to improve upon that unless I push closer to the screen. I'm already 7 feet from 135" not sure how much closer I can even get. Probably no more without my head becoming a big shadow in the image.
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My guess is you pay $15k or whatever and find that the NX9 is only slightly better than the 1000ES. If your 1000ES is not degraded, the specs between the two are pretty similar. I'm sure the black floor on the JVC is better but it won't be as good as your RS600 so if you already say it's close, then it'll be even closer than that. The lens on the 1000ES is equal to NX9 most likely. Lumens are basically the same. The only difference here will be HDR support and if you're tone mapping prior to the projector that won't matter either.

I know you are convinced that making pixels 1/4 the size they are at 4K is going to be the next big thing. But pixels are already too small for most to really benefit from 4K as they sit too far back. Even then, the difference between 4k and 1080p is slight, subtle. The difference between 4k and 8k would be even more slight and more subtle.

At 4K, I'm already at the point where I can disable anti aliasing in games and not see jaggies. 8K won't be able to improve upon that unless I push closer to the screen. I'm already 7 feet from 135" not sure how much closer I can even get. Probably no more without my head becoming a big shadow in the image.
Doesn't look like the Sony has support for BT2020 or the latest HDMI. Those would be pluses for a newer unit.

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My guess is you pay $15k or whatever and find that the NX9 is only slightly better than the 1000ES. If your 1000ES is not degraded, the specs between the two are pretty similar. I'm sure the black floor on the JVC is better but it won't be as good as your RS600 so if you already say it's close, then it'll be even closer than that. The lens on the 1000ES is equal to NX9 most likely. Lumens are basically the same. The only difference here will be HDR support and if you're tone mapping prior to the projector that won't matter either.

I know you are convinced that making pixels 1/4 the size they are at 4K is going to be the next big thing. But pixels are already too small for most to really benefit from 4K as they sit too far back. Even then, the difference between 4k and 1080p is slight, subtle. The difference between 4k and 8k would be even more slight and more subtle.

At 4K, I'm already at the point where I can disable anti aliasing in games and not see jaggies. 8K won't be able to improve upon that unless I push closer to the screen. I'm already 7 feet from 135" not sure how much closer I can even get. Probably no more without my head becoming a big shadow in the image.
Yes that is my hunch too............but I guess you will never really know until have you have them side by side.....and that is the really tempting part.
Got quite a bit of flack a few years back on this very forum for actually preferring the way my little Panny AE2000 handled some stuff relative to the 1000es.
One area where I know the NX9 has definitely got the 1000/1100es beat is with posterization(or the lack thereof).
Lens,contrast,ANSI and even tone mapping are potentially minor differences favouring either one or the other projector.
HDMI 2.0 and BT2020 have given no discernible advantage to the rs600 over the 1000es in my 2 year experience of having the 2 PJs.

As for native 8K.....I would be very curious to see it first before drawing any conclusions.

Which is where laying out a bucket load of money for either the NX9 or the 995es in 2018-19.......only to find a native 8K PJ on the market by 2019/20 is another factor to take into consideration.
And anyways ....looking forward to changing my name to the Sony8KRises....or the JVC8KRises

But anyways a huge fan of the rs600 and i am sure the NX9 is fantastic
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I won't be buying a new projector for a year or so
I was thinking that the N5 should replace my X5000 (RS400 in the US, I think), once the price of the N5 comes down
But now, reading of the green bars, I just don't know
Does anybody know if it's a hardware or firmware problem?
It would drive me absolutely crazy to suddenly have bars across the image
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I couldn't own a projector that was doing that crap intermittently. I'd always be waiting for it to happen again. It's such a deal breaker.
I agree, but Mike and I have a much larger data base to go by than you do. So believe me when I say it's very rare. And if it does happen to someones projector, JVC takes care of them. Period.
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Yes that is my hunch too............but I guess you will never really know until have you have them side by side.....and that is the really tempting part.
Got quite a bit of flack a few years back on this very forum for actually preferring the way my little Panny AE2000 handled some stuff relative to the 1000es.
One area where I know the NX9 has definitely got the 1000/1100es beat is with posterization(or the lack thereof).
Lens,contrast,ANSI and even tone mapping are potentially minor differences favouring either one or the other projector.
HDMI 2.0 and BT2020 have given no discernible advantage to the rs600 over the 1000es in my 2 year experience of having the 2 PJs.

As for native 8K.....I would be very curious to see it first before drawing any conclusions.

Which is where laying out a bucket load of money for either the NX9 or the 995es in 2018-19.......only to find a native 8K PJ on the market by 2019/20 is another factor to take into consideration.
And anyways ....looking forward to changing my name to the Sony8KRises....or the JVC8KRises

But anyways a huge fan of the rs600 and i am sure the NX9 is fantastic
You can't see a difference with BT2020/WCG on a UHD disc? On my RS520 it was easily discernible vs. REC709. Not that I don't believe you, it just seems very strange. I don't see an 8K native panel and HDMI 2.1 being here for a while in the projector space. They still have kinks being worked out in the 4K arena.

Very curious to see what you think of the NX9 so please post back with your opinion.


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I couldn't own a projector that was doing that crap intermittently. I'd always be waiting for it to happen again. It's such a deal breaker.
Never owned a Windows computer?

To be fair I have had Linux servers freeze up also - rare but certainly a non-zero probability
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Never owned a Windows computer?

To be fair I have had Linux servers freeze up also - rare but certainly a non-zero probability
A Windows 10 update removed my ability to print or even connect to a printer ( and I'm not the only one ). Weeks later that got fixed in another update.

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You can't see a difference with BT2020/WCG on a UHD disc? On my RS520 it was easily discernible vs. REC709. Not that I don't believe you, it just seems very strange. I don't see an 8K native panel and HDMI 2.1 being here for a while in the projector space. They still have kinks being worked out in the 4K arena.

Very curious to see what you think of the NX9 so please post back with your opinion.
They haven't re-sold me all my favorite movies on 4K yet. They need at least 3 or 4 more years to fully milk the 4K cow.
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