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I suppose you have a point, but I could also say, it's all about the laser...
The light source is always the primary factor and if all else is the same then brighter always wins. But I am quite happy with a lamp based projector that has the same optics as the laser version without paying twice the amount.
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The RS-540 has better blacks than everything except the NX-9, which even if not measuring as high, close enough and should look about the same. The RS-540 is a great deal if you can live with E-shift 4k instead of Native 4k.
Hi -- I have heard that the E-shift hardware is loud. Any truth to that? Where I live I don't expect to be streaming 4K for two or three years -- E-shift would be just fine if it isn't too loud. I apologize, I live far away from any dealers. thanks
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The price difference between the NX7 and the NX9 has always caused me to wonder what, if anything, in the NX9 (that's not in the NX7) was sufficiently costly to warrant a $10,000 price increase? I'm sure the larger lens and eshift mechanism was part of that, but was that all?
Seeing them side by side a couple months ago, I didn't think the differences were appreciable enough to warrant $10K more for the NX9 (RS3000). In paused comparisons, 8K e-shift added very slight edge detail improvements. Additionally, color depth and fine detail resolution were a little better in high-res capture 4K content. But as I was watching this programming straight through without pausing, it was a bit tougher to detect these differences.

I had ghosting issues twice in 100 hours, but V2.07 appears to have remedied that issue. I'm still very happy with the RS2000 and the image it throws in our room.
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Hi -- I have heard that the E-shift hardware is loud. Any truth to that? Where I live I don't expect to be streaming 4K for two or three years -- E-shift would be just fine if it isn't too loud. I apologize, I live far away from any dealers. thanks
From 5 ft away I can't even hear it or the fan on low lamp. The fan on high lamp can be heard but is not objectionable (to me). But everybody is different.
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Jvc 's model numbers a bit confusing like NX-7 is really a RS-640 & so on.
Hi, Scott. Regarding JVC model numbers, they have different numbers for US and Europe/Asia. In the US the JVC-RS640, but in Australia it was called the JVC-DLA-9900. In the US the new models are RS-1000, Rs-2000 ,and RS3000. The same models elsewhere in the world are JVC N5, N7, and N9. It's not only confusing, but annoying. They should just call them the same model numbers and designate region by letters in the serial number.
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From 5 ft away I can't even hear it or the fan on low lamp. The fan on high lamp can be heard but is not objectionable (to me). But everybody is different.
Good enough -- thanks. I'm going shopping !!
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The light source is always the primary factor and if all else is the same then brighter always wins. But I am quite happy with a lamp based projector that has the same optics as the laser version without paying twice the amount.
The lens is amazing - that's the cake. The laser on my RS4500 is the frosting !
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The way I see it, the RS3000/NX9 is a lamp based RS4500.
Totally Disagree!!
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Hi, wondering if Craig or Mike can chime in on this. Just found out that the Spyder5 is being discontinued. As of now JVC's AutoCal won't work on the SpyderX. Should I wait and hope that AutoCal software will eventually support the SpyderX, or should I try and hunt down a Spyder5 before they are totally off the market? Will the AutoCal eventually support other meters?
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What did JVC replaced DLA-RS640 with ?...
I would say no direct replacement. RS2000 has some specs above the 640 and some below. 2000 and the 640 have the same MSRP. But the 2000 would be the closest match.
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Hi, wondering if Craig or Mike can chime in on this. Just found out that the Spyder5 is being discontinued. As of now JVC's AutoCal won't work on the SpyderX. Should I wait and hope that AutoCal software will eventually support the SpyderX, or should I try and hunt down a Spyder5 before they are totally off the market? Will the AutoCal eventually support other meters?


Well looking back, the RS400/500/600 originally supported the Spyder4 with Autocal 6.

After some time, Autocal 7 was released also for the RS400/500/600 and supported the Spyder5.

My guess is that at some point Autocal 12 will be released also with support for the NX projectors and will support the SpyderX.
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Sorry, but the features of the NX-7 and the NX-9 are the same save the lens. The lens on the NX-9 is far larger and more costly than that of the RS640. The logical comparison is the RS640 versus the NX-7/RS200. The NX-9 is in a new category, not really comparable to anything in the old lineup.


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What are you sorry about?

I don't agree it's a new category, there are still 3 models as there always have been, we'll see if JVC continues with the different lens throughout the future lineups, who knows (maybe)...
The features between the JVC RS-540 and RS-640 are also basically the same other than contrast, I was just saying in comparison to older models.
Nope, this year there are/were five models in the line up: RS540, RS1000, RS2000, RS3000 and RS4500. Now the 540 is going away, so the only question is, are we going to four models or will JVC introduce a replacement for the 540, this year?
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Nope, this year there are/were five models in the line up: RS540, RS1000, RS2000, RS3000 and RS4500. Now the 540 is going away, so the only question is, are we going to four models or will JVC introduce a replacement for the 540, this year?
RS540 and RS4500 aren't from the same year as the NX series though, so I only count them as carry over units. There were also previous years you could buy projectors as carry over, JVC HD250, etc...

3 Models introduced per year with an occasional 'outcast' model, not sure how anyone could say no?

There are some exceptions, but they are exceptions, the 3 models are tied together as a single series, not sure I really understand what people are getting at with this analogy of it being different just because one projector now has a different lens.

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RS540 and RS4500 aren't from the same year as the NX series though, so I only count them as carry over units. There were also previous years you could buy projectors as carry over, JVC HD250, etc...

3 Models introduced per year, not sure how anyone could say no?
CEDIA 2016 JVC introduced the RS4500 and that was it. CES 2017 JVC introduced the 420, 520 and 620, but that was a last minute decision. Originally was just going to be an update to the 400, 500 and 600.
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The fact they have occasional years they don't release as many, or just release one or two projectors, doesn't change the standard norm of the 3-models tied together being released from the same series.

I don't see how anyone can say that the RS-4xx/5xx/6xx is so different than releasing an NX-5/7/9 as far as the norms for JVC...

Sure there are differences in the releases from time to time, but it is the same general method of release, 3 projectors tied together as the same series.

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The fact they have occasional years they don't release as many, or just release one or two projectors, doesn't change the standard norm of the 3-models tied together being released from the same series.

I don't see how anyone can say that the RS-4xx/5xx/6xx is so different than releasing an NX-5/7/9 as far as the norms for JVC...

Sure there are differences in the releases from time to time, but it is the same general method of release, 3 projectors tied together as the same series.
And I do not see how you can say the RS1000, RS2000 and RS3000 are equivalent models to the RS440, RS540 and RS640. Especially when the RS540 was carried over as the entry level model. The actual lineup was; RS540, RS1000, RS2000 and RS3000 for lamp based. You need to see the RS1000. I can see why many people that have compared the two, pick it over the RS540.
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Hi, Scott. Regarding JVC model numbers, they have different numbers for US and Europe/Asia. In the US the JVC-RS640, but in Australia it was called the JVC-DLA-9900. In the US the new models are RS-1000, Rs-2000 ,and RS3000. The same models elsewhere in the world are JVC N5, N7, and N9. It's not only confusing, but annoying. They should just call them the same model numbers and designate region by letters in the serial number.
Even in the TV sector they have different model numbers. When dealing with international products you "could" in rare cases get into grey market. One time with talking with Denon about 10 years ago they said they made units for South America I think it was with zero warranty, well those units made it back to the US and they had to honor the warranties. They lost a lot of cash, never did that again. Couple letters off in the serial number and no one would know, different model number and its easy to spot what goes where.
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Seeing them side by side a couple months ago, I didn't think the differences were appreciable enough to warrant $10K more for the NX9 (RS3000). In paused comparisons, 8K e-shift added very slight edge detail improvements. Additionally, color depth and fine detail resolution were a little better in high-res capture 4K content. But as I was watching this programming straight through without pausing, it was a bit tougher to detect these differences.

I had ghosting issues twice in 100 hours, but V2.07 appears to have remedied that issue. I'm still very happy with the RS2000 and the image it throws in our room.
I was in the market for a N7 until i've seen a comparison between N7 and N9. N9 has slightly more detail, more contrast and, most of all, it has the "true black" Jvc signature we used to have in previous gen projectors. N5 and N7 are great machines but imho they lack that "deep black" we used to see in Jvc machines even if their blacks are still much better than the competitors.
I see a future with entry level machines matching the blacks and contrast of N9 but lacking the exquisite detail of the super lens array of the top model but, at this moment, N9 is THE Jvc for absolute reference.
Speaking of price, is no mistery that in this field price increase is inversely proportional to performance increase, but having the founds and a true passion N9 is the way to go. All IMHO.
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Anyone experienced issues with masking when in 3D mode? Basically masks are interpreted as 2x. I’m usually adopting a mask top=bottom=131 to fit 2.35:1 image in my scope screen. And it works for both HD and 4K. It scales automatically.
When in 3D, it cuts more and looks like more than 3:1! I have to divide by two to cut correctly. Top=bottom=65 provides me exactly 2.35:1. Did anyone else experience this?
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Dumb question but, do people use a special setting to watch 3D movies on these projectors or it's just in normal BD watching mode (Cinema or whatever) and go! Just wondering what the best settings, color profile, etc would be for 3D movies.
While this N series gives absolutely the best 3D experience i have ever seen, there are things i don't uderstand too when in 3D mode. I don't use masks so everything is much simplier but when in 3D mode i have to optical zoom the image to fill the screen (i've created a custom installation mode for 3D). I think is because of the 4k panel and the 2k only resolution of the 3D format that can't be scaled ... but i'm open to suggestions.
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Watched " Captain Marvel " on 4K Blu-ray tonight. That is one refined and detailed looking picture !
It certainly is a"Looker" but is definitely not a "Thinker"
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And I do not see how you can say the RS1000, RS2000 and RS3000 are equivalent models to the RS440, RS540 and RS640. Especially when the RS540 was carried over as the entry level model. The actual lineup was; RS540, RS1000, RS2000 and RS3000 for lamp based. You need to see the RS1000. I can see why many people that have compared the two, pick it over the RS540.
The RS-440 is the entry level model to the RS-540 because that is it's original group. It's 'original release set' determines whether it is an entry or a middle-model (non-entry), otherwise that would mean the RS-540 changes it's position based on what year you bought the projector (doesn't make a lot of sense if you read the next part of what I wrote).

It's like saying the HD-250 was the entry level model when the RS-40/45 was released. I suppose you could make that argument, but then the following year the RS-46 became the entry model, so that gets very convoluted thinking in terms of 2 entry level models, while one is going in and out of being an entry model because it was an older model, when in reality they are not even from the same year release or are just a re-release. I would also assume that the lowest model NX for next year or the year after will eventually become the defacto entry level model...

So if next year's model is NX-50 as an example, and it is the lowest MSRP in circulation, are we still referring to the RS-540 as an entry-level model? (this is exactly what happened with HD-250 to RS-46, and I don't think anyone will think of it in these terms, RS-540 will always be thought of as an older projector that was just re-released just like the HD-250)

Also, since when have we ever considered any RS-5x/5xx model an entry level model, it doesn't spec out like an entry-level model as it has the second iris and high-end contrast, unlike all other JVC entry models. The original MSRP was not originally priced that way even though it changed. Sure it was the cheapest MSRP model for this year, but it wasn't released in this year, it was re-hashed from the previous year in which it had an entry model.

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Anyone experienced issues with masking when in 3D mode? Basically masks are interpreted as 2x. I’m usually adopting a mask top=bottom=131 to fit 2.35:1 image in my scope screen. And it works for both HD and 4K. It scales automatically.
When in 3D, it cuts more and looks like more than 3:1! I have to divide by two to cut correctly. Top=bottom=65 provides me exactly 2.35:1. Did anyone else experience this?
I wonder if the masks are pixel based and since 3d is only 1080p, it basically doubles (100 pixels on 1080p cut off more of the image than 100 pixels of 2160p). Perhaps you can create two lens memories, one for regular with masking and one for 3d / 1080p with masking then just toggle between?

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What did JVC replaced DLA-RS640 with ?...
This time around, there is no RS640 equivalent. Typically, JVC released 3 models:

Base model which was cheaper, 1 iris instead of 2, lower contrast. Last time this was RS440. This time this is NX5 / RS1000.
Next model up which was the real top end model doubling contrast and adding lamp iris. Last time this was RS540 this time it's the NX7 / RS2000.
Next model up which was the same as the previous model with only difference being hand picked parts. Last time this was RS640. This time that doesn't exist.
Instead, JVC released a very top end projector with much better lens and 8k e-shift. The better lens increases light output and contrast slightly. This is the NX9 / RS3000.

If you're looking for the RS640 replacement this round, its closest match is the NX7 / RS2000.

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This time around, there is no RS640 equivalent.
Good Politically Correct Answer :P

Only the NX-9 and RS-640 both share hand-picked parts to get max contrast numbers within their own release set, and both projectors are the highest end of their release. Even though the lens is different in the NX-9, the NX-9 also has hand picked panels and potentially polarizer++ versus NX-7 of polarizer+ or NX-5's vanilla polarizer.

This is why I do not consider the NX-7 the replacement of the RS-640, because NX-7 has no hand-picked parts nor does it have max specs on the polarizer. Only the NX-9 and RS-640.

Plus the RS-640 and the NX-9 are both the highest end in their own series, the RS-4500 is a separate series just as the RS-540 is, and MSRP being different doesn't really matter considering the RS-67's MRSP was $11,999...

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