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Hi on the N7/RS2000 is it possible to NOT engage the filter in HDR viewing mode? If not then it might be better to get the N5/RS1000 due to more brightness for HDR viewing?


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There's nothing to be careful about. You can't damage anything with convergence adjustments, its very easy and pretty much common sense, and there's a reset to get back to where you start anyway. Feel free to play around with it carefree all you want.


Okay if you are wearing glasses - get someone who does not wear glasses to help you. I found that there is a bit of color refraction if I am not looking straight through the middle. So depending on how you look at the pattern you might find some issue where there is none!




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Ya Captain Marvel as bad as Infinty Wars in 4K HDR - agreed on takes very aggressive settings to get looking half decent -


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Thank you very much. From the brief amount I read, it doesn't look promising.
The issue was mainly with custom curves (or lack thereof), which were crucial for the e-shift models. It’s less important for the native 4K models with auto tone mapping.
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There's nothing to be careful about. You can't damage anything with convergence adjustments, its very easy and pretty much common sense, and there's a reset to get back to where you start anyway. Feel free to play around with it carefree all you want. No harm.



I think its a bit less than that. The lumens at the edge of your screen are probably lower than at the center anyway.



Most likely madVR is superior. MadVR has had a ton more work in dynamic tone mapping development, madVR has the best upscaling in the world tune by a massive A/I network, and madVR requires more hardware power than available in a lumagen. The Lumagen wins in area of flexibility (not being limited to playing on a PC).
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My original question that prompted the response “to be careful” didn’t really answer my question either. I know how to adjust convergence—— my problem is I’m not sure how to check if convergence needs fixing. Is there some test pattern or disc I need to use to check convergence or can it be done directly from the projector? I’m a newbie on this stuff so please be gentle lol. Thanks
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All I watch is on disc - either Blu-ray or UHD Blu-ray. The dynamic tone mapping on my Lumagen is just flat out amazing. 4K Blu-rays have never looked better.
Is your Lumagen able to accept Dolby Vision and ready it to be sent to your projector? Unfortunately, I get the feeling that the standard HDR10 will sometimes fall short to a significant degree. The one example I'm aware of is Saving Private Ryan where the HDR10 simply isn't right. I understand that the DV layer is completely different (as in, not messed up).

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My original question that prompted the response “to be careful” didn’t really answer my question either. I know how to adjust convergence—— my problem is I’m not sure how to check if convergence needs fixing. Is there some test pattern or disc I need to use to check convergence or can it be done directly from the projector? I’m a newbie on this stuff so please be gentle lol. Thanks
You go to installation menu, select pixel adjust, make sure that "Adjust Pattern" is "ON" then go to "Adjust Pixel" and it displays a grid of white lines. Here you can see if the lines are white or if say the red or blue is off. Now you can make adjustments and line them up. Be most concerned with the center of the image not the edges. I'd do this standing right in front of the screen. But to see if it matters you can leave the pattern up and go sit in your main seat and see if you can tell if it's off or not.

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Is your Lumagen able to accept Dolby Vision and ready it to be sent to your projector? Unfortunately, I get the feeling that the standard HDR10 will sometimes fall short to a significant degree. The one example I'm aware of is Saving Private Ryan where the HDR10 simply isn't right. I understand that the DV layer is completely different (as in, not messed up).
It won't matter. Dynamic tone mapping will fix this entirely. It doesn't need to accept dolby vision. It ignores all that and actually measures the APL of each frame.
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It won't matter. Dynamic tone mapping will fix this entirely. It doesn't need to accept dolby vision. It ignores all that and actually measures the APL of each frame.
Is the dynamic tone mapping Lumagen that keeps being referred to on this thread the Radiance XS-3D or some other model?

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Thank you very much. From the brief amount I read, it doesn't look promising.
The issue was mainly with custom curves (or lack thereof), which were crucial for the e-shift models. It’️s less important for the native 4K models with auto tone mapping.
I see. That still leaves the doubt though in my head lol. Has anybody used him since with the new 4K JVCs?

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I got on his list a few days ago. I live just south of Detroit. So that's two of us in south east Michigan. I'm hoping he can come in August. I'm sure I'll be well over 100 hours by then.


I’m in Northville. I may consider this for my NX7. Feel free to PM with details we can talk offline.


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Man this thread is crazy, I don't want to start a new post but not sure anyone is seeing my question -

So I have Oppo UDP-203 (HDR set to "Auto") hooked to new DLA-NX5 and I am only getting metadata for auto tone mapping on some discs, is this normal?

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Halloween (new) - metadata
Jurassic Park - metadata
Most any Marvel movie - no metadata
Grease - metadata in the menus and splash screens but nothing for the film

Is this normal or is something going on with my setup?

Also it almost seems (and I have to do more testing) that setting the Oppo to HDR off but keeping the 2020 colorspace looks better than HDR on in most cases? The contrast is way better this way and picture pops huge. I still need to test and calibrate but I wonder if this is still a limitation of HDR on projectors as a whole?
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Hi Folks...

I have the opportunity to purchase an N7 at a good price...I sold my JVC x950 (Rs600) about a year ago...I purchased a 1000 nit Sony 85” tv in the interim...The Sony tv is set it and forget it and all HDR and DV looks stunning! No messing around with any settings! The compromise is on size...I also have the Panny 820 but don’t use any TMapping on the Panny...I’m thinking this time I would shrink my screen to 110” 2.35 with a 13 foot throw...

I’ve skimmed this thread and have a few questions on the N7...

1) my x950 produced a stunning picture with Arve custom curves...from reading this thread it appears there are still issues with brightness etc with dark scenes on this new generation of pj’s...has it improved or does this inherent pj brightness issue still exist? Could the Panny 820 help? I have a black velvet bat cave...

2) my understanding is the N7 reads the discs metadata and then tone maps accordingly...what does the N7 do when the metadata on the disc is messed up?

I think the essence of my questions is coming from my desire for a set it and forget it with the N7...Am I dreaming?

Thanks folks...

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Hi Folks...

I have the opportunity to purchase an N7 at a good price...I sold my JVC x950 (Rs600) about a year ago...I purchased a 1000 nit Sony 85” tv in the interim...The Sony tv is set it and forget it and all HDR and DV looks stunning! No messing around with any settings! The compromise is on size...I also have the Panny 820 but don’t use any TMapping on the Panny...I’m thinking this time I would shrink my screen to 110” 2.35 with a 13 foot throw...

I’ve skimmed this thread and have a few questions on the N7...

1) my x950 produced a stunning picture with Arve custom curves...from reading this thread it appears there are still issues with brightness etc with dark scenes on this new generation of pj’s...has it improved or does this inherent pj brightness issue still exist? Could the Panny 820 help? I have a black velvet bat cave...

2) my understanding is the N7 reads the discs metadata and then tone maps accordingly...what does the N7 do when the metadata on the disc is messed up?

I think the essence of my questions is coming from my desire for a set it and forget it with the N7...Am I dreaming?

Thanks folks...
The tone mapping works great on new projectors, but some disks have no meta so whats it suppose to do then?

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The tone mapping works great on new projectors, but some disks have no meta so whats it suppose to do then?
Thanks, yup, that’s my question too...hopefully someone can chime in...

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Thanks, yup, that’s my question too...hopefully someone can chime in...
You can set up projector with settings for discs that do not have metadata. Then the next time you play a disc the projector will use the settings you input for discs without data.
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You can set up projector with settings for discs that do not have metadata. Then the next time you play a disc the projector will use the settings you input for discs without data.
Thanks Mike, is the N7 a UGGGGGE leap over the RS600 with custom curves in regards to set it and for get it and picture quality or is there still tweaking required per disc?

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Thanks Mike, is the N7 a UGGGGGE leap over the RS600 with custom curves in regards to set it and for get it and picture quality or is there still tweaking required per disc?
The auto tone mapping is a very nice improvement. You also get a sharper image, due to the lens and native 4K. The image on the new models is also a little cleaner. If you have a scope screen, the lens memory is more accurate. JVC beefed up the lens supports, that is why lens memory is better now. CMD is slightly improved also.
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You can set up projector with settings for discs that do not have metadata. Then the next time you play a disc the projector will use the settings you input for discs without data.


What about disks that have meta data? Does the projector apply what you’ve inputted to that disk or does it just ignore it and auto detects the meta data? Haven’t had a chance to even look at this feature yet.


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What about disks that have meta data? Does the projector apply what you’ve inputted to that disk or does it just ignore it and auto detects the meta data? Haven’t had a chance to even look at this feature yet.


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The projector will use the metadata, if you have it set up to do auto tone mapping, when metadata is available and will use your manual settings, when the disc does not have metadata.
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Since RS 2000 / NX7 reads the discs metadata and then tone maps accordingly, would this applies to HDR 4k stuff from AppleTV 4k

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The projector will use the metadata, if you have it set up to do auto tone mapping, when metadata is available and will use your manual settings, when the disc does not have metadata.


That is a pretty awesome and convenient feature. Thanks so much.


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Hi Folks...

I have the opportunity to purchase an N7 at a good price...I sold my JVC x950 (Rs600) about a year ago...I purchased a 1000 nit Sony 85” tv in the interim...The Sony tv is set it and forget it and all HDR and DV looks stunning! No messing around with any settings! The compromise is on size...I also have the Panny 820 but don’t use any TMapping on the Panny...I’m thinking this time I would shrink my screen to 110” 2.35 with a 13 foot throw...

I’ve skimmed this thread and have a few questions on the N7...

1) my x950 produced a stunning picture with Arve custom curves...from reading this thread it appears there are still issues with brightness etc with dark scenes on this new generation of pj’s...has it improved or does this inherent pj brightness issue still exist? Could the Panny 820 help? I have a black velvet bat cave...

2) my understanding is the N7 reads the discs metadata and then tone maps accordingly...what does the N7 do when the metadata on the disc is messed up?

I think the essence of my questions is coming from my desire for a set it and forget it with the N7...Am I dreaming?

Thanks folks...
I believe if there is no metadata a default 1000 nits peak is used. But that may be for the Panasonic player, I don't remember exactly. Many here use the Panasonic tone mapping in conjunction with the JVC and like it.
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Got my NX5 hooked up, first question is sometimes I don't seem to be getting the info for tone mapping to kick in. For example Halloween (new) gives me the data and tone mapping pops on but Guardians of the Galaxy 2 does not? I am using Oppo UDP-203 with HDR set to Auto.
The Guardians of the Galaxy 2 disc has zero metadata values for MaxCLL and MaxFALL.

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So I have Oppo UDP-203 (HDR set to "Auto") hooked to new DLA-NX5 and I am only getting metadata for auto tone mapping on some discs, is this normal?

Examples -

Halloween (new) - metadata
Jurassic Park - metadata
Most any Marvel movie - no metadata
Grease - metadata in the menus and splash screens but nothing for the film

Is this normal or is something going on with my setup?

Also it almost seems (and I have to do more testing) that setting the Oppo to HDR off but keeping the 2020 colorspace looks better than HDR on in most cases? The contrast is way better this way and picture pops huge. I still need to test and calibrate but I wonder if this is still a limitation of HDR on projectors as a whole?
Yes, some studios do not include metadata, it is well known. Disney/Marvel is one of them. You will have to manually tweak the tone mapping settings in the JVC using the controls to adjust - essentially raise the overall level and correspondingly reduce brightness.

You can use HDR off 2020 on the Oppo. In that case you are using the Oppo's tone mapping. It is quite good and was the best thing since sliced bread at one time. Until someone figured out that the 2020 colorspace it outputs is really only REC 709 in reality. That is a known bug but you personally may not notice it. Other than that the Oppo does a fine job with tone mapping.
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Yes, some studios do not include metadata, it is well known. Disney/Marvel is one of them. You will have to manually tweak the tone mapping settings in the JVC using the controls to adjust - essentially raise the overall level and correspondingly reduce brightness.

You can use HDR off 2020 on the Oppo. In that case you are using the Oppo's tone mapping. It is quite good and was the best thing since sliced bread at one time. Until someone figured out that the 2020 colorspace it outputs is really only REC 709 in reality. That is true but you personally may not notice it. Other than that the Oppo does a fine job with tone mapping.
So if I shut off HDR on the Oppo then it is doing the tone mapping? I did not realize that, it looks absolutely amazing if I do that (I thought I was just shutting off HDR alltogether).... Any point in investing in a Panasonic player?

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The Guardians of the Galaxy 2 disc has zero metadata values for MaxCLL and MaxFALL.
AFAIK no Disney disks have MaxCLL and MaxFALL. Planet Earth 2 doesn't either which was a bummer when I got the projector.
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So if I shut off HDR on the Oppo then it is doing the tone mapping? I did not realize that, it looks absolutely amazing if I do that.... Any point in investing in a Panasonic player?
Correct. Oppo was one of the pioneers in tone mapping. Other than the aforementioned colorspace bug it is really good with its razor sharp image and upscaling capabilities. Not to mention the other features that makes Oppo a great player. I have both the Oppo and the Panasonic and now use the Panasonic exclusively because of its ability to tweak the picture.
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