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Greetings,

The RS2000 has arrived.


I will be setting it up over the next few days. Looking forward to seeing what she has under the hood.


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Congrats Ralph! I really enjoy your reviews and look forward to hearing what you think about the new toy.

P.S. Recently watched Black Hawk Down on my NX7 (same as an RS2000) and it looked amazing. Just like you said it did
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Greetings,

The RS2000 has arrived.


I will be setting it up over the next few days. Looking forward to seeing what she has under the hood.


Regards,
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Congrats Ralph! I really enjoy your reviews and look forward to hearing what you think about the new toy.

P.S. Recently watched Black Hawk Down on my NX7 (same as an RS2000) and it looked amazing. Just like you said it did

Yes, congrats Ralph! I have the RS2000 and a colleague lent me the Planet Earth II 4K. It looks absolutely stunning. I play it through the Panny 820 and do the double tone mapping with Optimizer brightness at -3 on the Panny and Tone Mapping at 0 on the RS2000. The picture pops with great details.

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The RS2000 has arrived.


I will be setting it up over the next few days. Looking forward to seeing what she has under the hood.


Regards,
Nice ! get ready to be wowed watching 4K movies !!
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AFAIK no Disney disks have MaxCLL and MaxFALL. Planet Earth 2 doesn't either which was a bummer when I got the projector.
I'm fairly certain one of the recent Disney discs I got (maybe Ant-Man and the Wasp?) had metadata when I played it. Definitely something after Infinity War, and before Captain Marvel (not 100% that it was Marvel).

Actually, it may have been one of the Captain Americas.

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Nice ! get ready to be wowed watching 4K movies !!
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As I posted earlier:

The auto tone mapping is a very nice improvement. You also get a sharper image, due to the lens and native 4K. The image on the new models is also a little cleaner. If you have a scope screen, the lens memory is more accurate. JVC beefed up the lens supports, that is why lens memory is better now. CMD is slightly improved also.

I left out one item, no E-shift noise.
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So if I shut off HDR on the Oppo then it is doing the tone mapping? I did not realize that, it looks absolutely amazing if I do that (I thought I was just shutting off HDR alltogether).... Any point in investing in a Panasonic player?
You coul;d invest in calibration instead of the Panasonic player.

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Correct. Oppo was one of the pioneers in tone mapping. Other than the aforementioned colorspace bug it is really good with its razor sharp image and upscaling capabilities. Not to mention the other features that makes Oppo a great player. I have both the Oppo and the Panasonic and now use the Panasonic exclusively because of its ability to tweak the picture.
Is your unit calibrated, have you thought about taking that step?
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You coul;d invest in calibration instead of the Panasonic player.

Is your unit calibrated, have you thought about taking that step?
Calibrating now with Spyder 5. If I do user 1 for HDR and user 2 for Rec709 how do I get the projector to automatically select those? Or should I be calibrating the factory presets?
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Man this thread is crazy, I don't want to start a new post but not sure anyone is seeing my question -



So I have Oppo UDP-203 (HDR set to "Auto") hooked to new DLA-NX5 and I am only getting metadata for auto tone mapping on some discs, is this normal?



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Halloween (new) - metadata

Jurassic Park - metadata

Most any Marvel movie - no metadata

Grease - metadata in the menus and splash screens but nothing for the film



Is this normal or is something going on with my setup?



Also it almost seems (and I have to do more testing) that setting the Oppo to HDR off but keeping the 2020 colorspace looks better than HDR on in most cases? The contrast is way better this way and picture pops huge. I still need to test and calibrate but I wonder if this is still a limitation of HDR on projectors as a whole?


Yup Disney movies have no metadata


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I am that latest JVC RS1000 winner with vertical blue strips across the screen. Have about 15 hours on the projector and V 2.06. Turned the projector off and after 15 minutes and they did not return (YET).
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I am that latest JVC RS1000 winner with vertical blue strips across the screen. Have about 15 hours on the projector and V 2.06. Turned the projector off and after 15 minutes and they did not return (YET).
Update firmware to 2.07 and see if that does not solve the problem.
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Hey Craig, is the N7 REALLY DAY and NiGHT better than an RS600 with custom Arve curves? I know you know your stuff so am interested in your opinion...I’m still on the fence...thanks man
It's going to be sharper. Personally, I'd say it's an improvement, but you will need to fully calibrate it too.
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I am that latest JVC RS1000 winner with vertical blue strips across the screen. Have about 15 hours on the projector and V 2.06. Turned the projector off and after 15 minutes and they did not return (YET).
I'd update that to v2.07 immediately and if they return again I'd be getting an RMA for a new projector ASAP. It seems this problem only affects some units.

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As I posted earlier:

The auto tone mapping is a very nice improvement. You also get a sharper image, due to the lens and native 4K. The image on the new models is also a little cleaner. If you have a scope screen, the lens memory is more accurate. JVC beefed up the lens supports, that is why lens memory is better now. CMD is slightly improved also.

I left out one item, no E-shift noise.
Agreed, a few of other things you left out:

- No flickering with high APL/bright shots, the picture is much "calmer"
- The new filter means that an undersaturated green is much less frequent/significant. Older models often had a wrong hue for green (too yellow), which made green and all the points between green and blue, including cyan, undersaturated and uncorrectable. There can be a minor undersaturation of red, but much fewer points are affected. So overall, easier to get near reference in both SDR and HDR. Losing only 10% brightness in high lamp with the filter is also nice.
- Much faster HDMI sync (at least compared to my rs500, I know that more recent models had started to improve this). It's not related to PQ, but having a 5 secs black screen on every sync instead of an up to 25 secs black screen on every sync makes a HUGE difference in day to day use.
- Improved Autocal software, especially if your older model didn't support the i1pro2. Having the i1pro2 for color calibration makes a big difference, and being able to "reflect to all" a gamma calibration can save time too.
- If you care about this, 3D is even better on these new models.
- The magenta bug in 8bits with a HTPC has been fixed, so you can now use RGB 8bits 444, which you couldn't do with the earlier models (at least with nVidia, either at 60p or with all framerates depending on the driver version)#
- Hopefully the yellowing bug with the DI and the forced YCC422 in 12bits will be fixed (if the latter isn't a hardware limitation). At the moment these are the only two minor downsides I can think of compared to the previous models. The blooming of highlights with the DI (that gets worse as you open the DI, it's mostly fine at -8 or closer) was already present in the e-shift models, so that's not new. This seems to affect the rs1000-2000, apparently the rs3000 (at least some of them) seem to be spared.

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Calibrating now with Spyder 5. If I do user 1 for HDR and user 2 for Rec709 how do I get the projector to automatically select those? Or should I be calibrating the factory presets?
You can select which profile to select automatically for HDR (or HLG) in the settings, unfortunately the PJ does not allow you to select the profile you want for SDR, it simply goes back to the last SDR mode you used before switching to HDR.

That might work for most. If you want to be able to select more calibration for each specific mode, look into getting a HD Fury Vertex/Maestro. You can select every calibration according to content (SDR BT2020, SDR rec-709, HDR10, 3D, HLG BT2020, HLG rec-709, etc). I use a Maestro and I'm very happy with the flexibility it gives me to select the correct calibration for all content.

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What I just posted in the Panasonic 820 thread...Received my 820 yesterday and relegated my OPPO 203 as the backup/SACD player. Played around a few hours and fine tuned it to my liking and I have to say that it's what it's cracked up to be. Outstanding PQ! I always left the OPPO on Auto in the settings because the HDR options all gave me weird PQ. With the 820 the slider and HDR optimizer are a godsend. I tried both the SDR2020 and HDR2020 and prefer the HDR2020.
I went to Best Buy and picked up an 820 yesterday based on this comment and I agree 100%, now HDR looks acceptable.
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I have a calibration question, once I run through with the auto-cal (I did User1 for HDR and User2 for 709) what has changed in the projector? Is the HDR gamma and color now changed for everything or just User1? The reason I ask is I am not seeing any difference between the HDR factory setting and my calibrated User1 so either the factory setting picked up my calibration or it was incredibly close to begin with?

This is rough comparison of factory and user1 (rough but you can see no difference) -


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Greetings,

The RS2000 has arrived.


I will be setting it up over the next few days. Looking forward to seeing what she has under the hood.


Regards,
Great stuff- in your reviews (if not too much bother) be nice to see reference to your 4k UHD settings (tone mapping methods/settings etc) - Oh and you will love the PQ quality- Enjoy!
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in my room I have a fantastic NX7 and I'm really satisfied with its performance. These JVC 4k are excellent machines.

I ask you one thing: do you use dynamic iris? with these settings?
Thanks for your suggestions
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I have a calibration question, once I run through with the auto-cal (I did User1 for HDR and User2 for 709) what has changed in the projector? Is the HDR gamma and color now changed for everything or just User1? The reason I ask is I am not seeing any difference between the HDR factory setting and my calibrated User1 so either the factory setting picked up my calibration or it was incredibly close to begin with?

This is rough comparison of factory and user1 (rough but you can see no difference) -

That's because autocal 11 on the NX series calibrates every mode when you run it.

The only things that will not be calibrated are the other bulb mode, the other BT2020 filter mode, and a different manual iris position in 4ths of it's range.

So for instance, if you were in low bulb mode, iris 0, and rec709 when you ran autocal, then every mode would be calibrated for low bulb mode and iris -3 to 0, except for BT2020 color profile as that would activate the color filter.

If you want to easily see your before/after for your autocal, try changing your manual iris. If you were in iris position 0 when you ran autocal, you can toggle between iris -4 and iris -3 to see the before/after cal results. Iris -4 will still be uncalibrated, but iris -3 will be calibrated as it's included in the iris -3 to 0 quadrant of the iris range.
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That's because autocal 11 on the NX series calibrates every mode when you run it.

The only things that will not be calibrated are the other bulb mode, the other BT2020 filter mode, and a different manual iris position in 4ths of it's range.

So for instance, if you were in low bulb mode, iris 0, and rec709 when you ran autocal, then every mode would be calibrated for low bulb mode and iris -3 to 0, except for BT2020 color profile as that would activate the color filter.

If you want to easily see your before/after for your autocal, try changing your manual iris. If you were in iris position 0 when you ran autocal, you can toggle between iris -4 and iris -3 to see the before/after cal results. Iris -4 will still be uncalibrated, but iris -3 will be calibrated as it's included in the iris -3 to 0 quadrant of the iris range.
Wow could they make that any more complicated? So basically everything I need should be calibrated at this point and if I ever want to go back to stock I need to import the file that was automatically saved when I did the calibration? Also then unless I made other changes User1 and HDR are the same thing now?

Also is "everything" calibrated with one run or did I have to do one run for HDR and one for 709?

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There are many improvements that others have chimed in on but to me it all comes down to one thing - Resolution. It may be somewhat dependent on distance to screen and your visual acuity, but overall native 4K beats pixel shift 1080P handily, and it is really very easy to see and even a casual observer can spot it.
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I think it was discussed in this thread but I can no longer find it, but what are the options in dealing with the 4096 pixel wide panel instead of the 3840 pixels required for 4K material? Is there a way to mask the extra pixels? Will there still be light transmitted over that area, i.e. will it result in black bars to the sides?


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I think it was discussed in this thread but I can no longer find it, but what are the options in dealing with the 4096 pixel wide panel instead of the 3840 pixels required for 4K material? Is there a way to mask the extra pixels? Will there still be light transmitted over that area, i.e. will it result in black bars to the sides?
It will have pillarboxing of "black" pixels when using the 16:9 area of the panel. If you are using a TV (16:9) AR screen you could create an installation mode for ARs wider than 1.9:1 (17:9) that uses the full panel (zoom rather than native). So films that are 2.0:1 or wider would use the full panel and eliminate the pillarboxing. Hopefully if you do have a 16:9 screen the border is able to soak up the pillarboxing to where it isn't noticeable.
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The RS2000 has arrived.


I will be setting it up over the next few days. Looking forward to seeing what she has under the hood.


Regards,
Congrats. Should be a nice upgrade for clarity. Some of your ratings might change with your reviews. I'm happy with mines over the rs520.
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Wow could they make that any more complicated? So basically everything I need should be calibrated at this point and if I ever want to go back to stock I need to import the file that was automatically saved when I did the calibration? Also then unless I made other changes User1 and HDR are the same thing now?

Also is "everything" calibrated with one run or did I have to do one run for HDR and one for 709?
Yes, so since "HDR" color profile and rec709 color profile oth do not use the filter, and assuming you leave the manual iris in the same position, everything is calibrated with 1 autocal run.

Every color profile (except BT2020), every color temp, every gamma curve are all calibrated with 1 autocal run. But again remember that it's only for the same bulb setting. So if you want normal and high bulb calibrated you need to run autocal again. And you need to run it again for a different iris setting and if you use the BT2020 filter.

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Option (Gamma Calib. Result)
Select the range for reflecting the gamma calibration result.
Select “Individual” if accuracy is your priority.

Individual The calibration result is reflected only in the current mode.
However, even if another Picture Mode has been selected,
the calibration result is reflected if the setting values of
Lamp Power and Filter are the same.
Reflect to All The calibration result is reflected in all modes.

So for the gamma portion of the calibration. It will be reflected to all modes that share the same lamp settings, BT2020 filter mode, and iris level.

If you do reflect to all, then it applies the gamma calibration to all lamp, filter, and iris positions I believe.

Color calibration however does not have a reflect option and only applies like the individual, but it will apply to all modes that share the same lamp, color filter, and iris settings.
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Yes, so since "HDR" color profile and rec709 color profile oth do not use the filter, and assuming you leave the manual iris in the same position, everything is calibrated with 1 autocal run.

Every color profile (except BT2020), every color temp, every gamma curve are all calibrated with 1 autocal run. But again remember that it's only for the same bulb setting. So if you want normal and high bulb calibrated you need to run autocal again. And you need to run it again for a different iris setting and if you use the BT2020 filter.

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Option (Gamma Calib. Result)
Select the range for reflecting the gamma calibration result.
Select “Individual” if accuracy is your priority.

Individual The calibration result is reflected only in the current mode.
However, even if another Picture Mode has been selected,
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Lamp Power and Filter are the same.
Reflect to All The calibration result is reflected in all modes.

So for the gamma portion of the calibration. It will be reflected to all modes that share the same lamp settings, BT2020 filter mode, and iris level.

If you do reflect to all, then it applies the gamma calibration to all lamp, filter, and iris positions I believe.

Color calibration however does not have a reflect option and only applies like the individual, but it will apply to all modes that share the same lamp, color filter, and iris settings.
When I change the iris back to "Auto 2" it should keep the calibration as long as its on same setting when I make the switch?

Also when you reference 2020 that is only for NX7 and NX9 correct? I dont think my NX5 has that option?

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When I change the iris back to "Auto 2" it should keep the calibration as long as its on same setting when I make the switch?
Yes, the iris setting that matters is the manual number you set, auto modes wont affect the calibration. The calibrartion for iris levels is also stored sepatately for iris -15 to -12, -11 to -8, -7 to -4, and -3 to 0.
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There are many improvements that others have chimed in on but to me it all comes down to one thing - Resolution. It may be somewhat dependent on distance to screen and your visual acuity, but overall native 4K beats pixel shift 1080P handily, and it is really very easy to see and even a casual observer can spot it.
I can sit a lot closer to my screens than i could with my Sim Lumis 1080p projector. Seeing pixels is a thing of the past with native 4k - that's for sure !
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It will have pillarboxing of "black" pixels when using the 16:9 area of the panel. If you are using a TV (16:9) AR screen you could create an installation mode for ARs wider than 1.9:1 (17:9) that uses the full panel (zoom rather than native). So films that are 2.0:1 or wider would use the full panel and eliminate the pillarboxing. Hopefully if you do have a 16:9 screen the border is able to soak up the pillarboxing to where it isn't noticeable.
If setup this way I would have 2 installation modes: 1 for up to 17:9 content and another for wider content and would manually switch between them as needed?

To confirm I understand correctly, say I set it up to always use Native. This means pillarboxing regardless of content aspect ratio, right? I would have to use Zoom to ever use those extra side pixels with 4K content, and doing so will result in digital zoom to use the full width of the panel, correct? If so, wouldn't the digital zoom result in some level of image degradation however minor?


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