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How does the 1080p version look with e-shift off?
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Using single pixel test paterns like the quick brown fox can tell you alot about the optics and what must be going on in signal processing. But those test patterns dont tell you everything about image quality. Eshift is meant for images, which dont have single pixel on/off sharp transisitions.

To test eshift, you should use a set of 4k ( ideally 8k) images with eshift on/off and then decide.
Yes, I've done that A LOT thanks, and I don't perceive any improvement and/or it looks worse... hence my conclusion

Believe it or not, and whilst I appreciate that this might come as a shock to most people, I must confess and come clean that whilst all serious video professionals exclusively view test patterns all of the time, I do on occasion break with tradition and view actual video content as part of my testing. Yes, I know this is shocking news to hear... but it's true

But what those test patterns DO tell you is what the eShift 8K is doing with respect to MTF and sharpness, which is kinda what resolution is supposed to be all about... isn't it?

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I just came across this regarding 8K at CES.
I know JVC probably wanted to beat Sony to this but to me it just snake oil at this point. Can't wait to see a comparison between the different models.

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Thanks for the photo! Looks like native 4k might have some significant advantages (to my eyes).

Contrast wise, the RS540 is still solid I bet (haven't seen it in person).

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Do the JVC projectors have ARC or eARC? I'm guessing no but can hope...
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How does the 1080p version look with e-shift off?
You can't look at a 4K pattern with E-shift off, since they are 1080P projectors.
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You can't look at a 4K pattern with E-shift off, since they are 1080P projectors.
Right, I'm wondering what 1080p patterns look like. Do they have the thick-thin lines or do they look consistent the way that my RS1 does?
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Do the JVC projectors have ARC or eARC? I'm guessing no but can hope...
Why would one need this? I'm guessing most projector folks send all source devices through a receiver first.
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Why would one need this? I'm guessing most projector folks send all source devices through a receiver first.
My receiver doesn't support 4K. Been holding out for an RMC1 but they are currently full of bugs.
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The Klein K-10A has one of the highest dynamic ranges, sensitivity, and accuracy of any such meter currently available...

yep. One of the best meters made and last time I checked that is about 15,000. Us dollars right?
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I would love to see the fox text captured from the NX7. Anyone with that unit in their possession care to provide a sample?

I would love a comparison between the Nx7 and the nx9. Even though I have a line for a good price on the nx9, if it really is not incredibly better than the Nx7, I will likely keep the original order for the Nx7.
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yep. One of the best meters made and last time I checked that is about 15,000. Us dollars right?
I don't know the exact price now I will say about 7000US dollar

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It will be really interesting to see Arrow's comparison between the N7, N9 and Sony projectors. Those results should give us an indication of the value of each of these projectors. That being said I think JVC made a big mistake in pricing for the N9. I know it has a better lens but I just can't see a $10,000 difference. I am guessing that some of the high end buyers never read the forums an some high end dealers will up sell and make huge profits.
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talking abut colour profiles. with this new range, From my memory when watched the jvc video, was it the "cinema" profile that engaged the p3 filter ? "natural" would not I imagine. does it mean you use 'natural' for SDR/blu-ray and such and 'Cinema' for und HDR ? this is just for out of box ?

or does it just engage p3 filter automatically when it detects uhd HDR or something ?

just wondering how the new range work.

it seems there is some change in selecting profiles and such ?
i know thread moving along at quite a pac, just wondering if anyone with n7/9 care to comment on above ? keen to understand what mode/profile engages or how/what engage the p3 filter for uhd/hdr. and what mode/s don't eg for blu-ray/SDR

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My receiver doesn't support 4K. Been holding out for an RMC1 but they are currently full of bugs.
Still do not see why this would apply to a projector? A projector does not have an HDMI out. How are you wanting to connect everything up?
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I would love to see the fox text captured from the NX7. Anyone with that unit in their possession care to provide a sample?

I would love a comparison between the Nx7 and the nx9. Even though I have a line for a good price on the nx9, if it really is not incredibly better than the Nx7, I will likely keep the original order for the Nx7.
I'll trade you my nx7 for your nx9 if you aren't pleased 🙂
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Still do not see why this would apply to a projector? A projector does not have an HDMI out. How are you wanting to connect everything up?
UHD player -> projector -> audio receiver

For now I will do:

Panasonic 820 HDMI -> projector
Panasonic 820 Analog Audio -> Receiver 7-channel input

Eventually it will of course be be:

HDMI sources -> Receiver -> Projector
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Still do not see why this would apply to a projector? A projector does not have an HDMI out. How are you wanting to connect everything up?


While I agree with your sentiment, he’s looking for a way to connect his 4K sources directly to the projector and return the audio to his receiver, which will not pass through 4K video. ARC would accomplish this. I think that some short-throw projectors, such as those by LG, include TV tuners and streaming apps, like regular TVs. I think that ARC is built into these projectors. None of the usual home theaters projectors do this. And there are better ways of doing this, including dual outputs on Blu-ray players and HDMI switches/splitters. Never before heard of anyone expecting such projectors to include ARC.


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For now I will do:

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Panasonic 820 Analog Audio -> Receiver 7-channel input

Eventually it will of course be be:

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Doesn't the 820 have an audio only HDMI 1.4 too?
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UHD player -> projector -> audio receiver

For now I will do:

Panasonic 820 HDMI -> projector
Panasonic 820 Analog Audio -> Receiver 7-channel input

Eventually it will of course be be:

HDMI sources -> Receiver -> Projector
Your receiver doesn't have an HDMI input? I realize it may be older and not pass 4K, but the Panasonic has dual outputs, so you can pass video to the projector and audio to the AVR separate. The audio output is typically only 1080p video (blank) with the audio signal. This should work better than analog.
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My receiver doesn't support 4K. Been holding out for an RMC1 but they are currently full of bugs.
My Denon X8500 has been kicking some butt with some of these recent Atmos sound tracks ( M.I. : Fallout for one ) ! Just FYI.

No bugs that I can find.
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Has there been a determination of the N9 eshift harming the picture image or properties? This goes to n9 vs. n7 performance and value or lack of value in choosing the n9 over the n7.
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Thanks for the photo! Looks like native 4k might have some significant advantages (to my eyes).

Contrast wise, the RS540 is still solid I bet (haven't seen it in person).
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I would think the main differentiator in favor of n9 over n7 would be better lens. Not 8k e-shift.
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Has there been a determination of the N9 eshift harming the picture image or properties? This goes to n9 vs. n7 performance and value or lack of value in choosing the n9 over the n7.
eShift 8K add absolutely ZERO value. Seriously almost everyone will be turning it off.

Sorry, but that's just the honest truth of the matter.

As soon as my camera is working again (likely Tuesday) I will posts some photos demonstrating why you don't want it turned on

The added value of the RS3000/NX9 versus the RS2000/NX9 is theoretically the superior lens and slightly higher contrast. The lens is the biggy

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Has there been a determination of the N9 eshift harming the picture image or properties? This goes to n9 vs. n7 performance and value or lack of value in choosing the n9 over the n7.
It looks like a non-issue. Arrow's NX9 apparently had some problems that were fixed with the recent firmware update. I would think that the NX9 lens will perform as expected. That 18 element 100 mm lens is no slouch. It will have improved sharpness, contrast, and brightness over the N7.
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My front row is exactly 4ft from my 135 inch 16:9 screen right now! Second row is 10ft. Auxiliary seating in the back is 15ft. The front row is for people who dislike loud subwoofers and want to escape my excessively loud 67hz room mode. Sometimes during special events, I densify my room and the front row is 2.5ft from the screen. We really do need the native 4k from these new JVCs.

But yes... I think 8k is jumping the gun a bit. There is almost no 8k content, and my PC would struggle with 8k games even if it did have the necessary HDMI bandwidth. The only benefit of 8k that I can think of right now is viewing large photos, and only my front row would really benefit.
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eShift 8K add absolutely ZERO value. Seriously almost everyone will be turning it off.

Sorry, but that's just the honest truth of the matter.

As soon as my camera is working again (likely Tuesday) I will posts some photos demonstrating why you don't want it turned on

The added value of the RS3000/NX9 versus the RS2000/NX9 is theoretically the superior lens and slightly higher contrast. The lens is the biggy

Thanks Arrow. My main concern is if the eshift mechanism is always present in the lens or light engine (not that I know what that entails) is causing a performance issue even turned off. I can understand the larger, better lens and light output as the main or only valid reasons for the n9 over the n7. I agree that the 8k eshift is a bogus feature given no 8k inputs on the projector or handling of 8k processing.

The only other comparison is the actual performance of these two projectors so folks can determine if there is a perceived improvement or value in choosing the n9.
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The Klein K-10A has one of the highest dynamic ranges, sensitivity, and accuracy of any such meter currently available...
It is on my shopping list for when I find one at the right price - will go nicely with my old JETI spectro. I don't think there is any better colorimeter in the price range. Maybe next year will be K-year . I was already assuming the meter is good and DJ Dee knows what he is doing with it, hence my questions were all around trying to figure out where the phantom 30% is coming from or going to, assuming it is something to do with the PJ and the way it is either setup or the way it behaves.

The side-point I was making was that if you have a meter where the specified accuracy on the peak luminance reading is +/-2%, and and the black accuracy is not even specified (if you are measuring a bright PJ at lens and maxing out the peak of the Klein - at 10,000cd/m2 - it is going to be a black reading around the 0.01 (DI) - 0.75nts, well below the 3nits for the +/-2%). Contrasts in the 100,000:1 ballpark and assumed the worst case at either end (assuming it holds to 2% for black reading) - you're looking at potentially ~96,000:1 - 104,000:1 for two different and still in-spec K10A instruments, looking at the same unit; in the same room - without factoring any variation in those or user technique. In practice I'm sure for most meter pairs the results would probably be a bit closer. The repeatability is much better than that though - +/-0.1% - so it is unlikely to be related to the 30% difference.

But if you really want to upset yourself one day, work out how many dE2000 a Klein or high-end spectro could be out and still be within their spec at D65 white point with the specified accuracy x,y +/- 0.002...
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