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in some ways this is a pity i feel.... they need to move on from this model. either fixing the niggly things which lets face it 12 months on nearly they're still there ? do they plan to fix over the next 12 months and then bring a new model out ? way its dragging out its going to do nothing for resale of this model... as good as it might be ....
If the models are not changing, and assuming all fixes are just firmware, wouldn't that keep resale higher? Writing off this line for a new one risks seeing firmware updates dry up sooner if not immediately.
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If the models are not changing, and assuming all fixes are just firmware, wouldn't that keep resale higher? Writing off this line for a new one risks seeing firmware updates dry up sooner if not immediately.
Yes. If you are trying to sell a one year old projector and it is still the current model, it will definitely have higher resale value than a one year old projector that is now out of production, because it has been replaced with a new model.
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Ok, thanks, well at least I know I’m not imagining the clarity improvement after 30 minutes or so...
It is also because of the lens warming up. The elements inside warm up at different rates. I typically turn on my system about 30 minutes or so before I know I'm going to use it. I have zero issue going in and using it immediately, projector looks fine right at start up. But if I'm doing any kind of evaluations, calibration or testing, I won't start looking at anything until at least 30 minutes if not 45. I won't touch focus or any kind of convergence controls until 45mins to an hour.

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Confused, once again

Hi folks...

I just reread Kris Deering’s JVC/Panny review...in it when reading I concluded that when using the Panny 820 and selecting Basic Luminance (500 nits), the JVC does not use the bt2020 color profile...is this true even if I manually select BT2020 as the color profile on the JVC or am I totally misunderstanding?

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In case anyone is wondering as I know there was some speculation, but I've heard JVC is indeed carrying over the RS1000, RS2000, RS3000, and RS4500 for next year.
Good to know. wonder what Sony will be doing. When would they announce their changes, in Oct'19?
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In case anyone is wondering as I know there was some speculation, but I've heard JVC is indeed carrying over the RS1000, RS2000, RS3000, and RS4500 for next year.
So what's the reasoning for this? Due to the manufacturing problems this year, JVC didn't have time to tweak and improve their projectors? I mean, it it is a whole year, plenty of time to make improvements. If this is so, I would be disappointed. I would have to wait a whole other year to see what improvements they can make, especially with contrast and black levels. I hate waiting...lol.
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So what's the reasoning for this? Due to the manufacturing problems this year, JVC didn't have time to tweak and improve their projectors? I mean, it it is a whole year, plenty of time to make improvements. If this is so, I would be disappointed. I would have to wait a whole other year to see what improvements they can make, especially with contrast and black levels. I hate waiting...lol.
I think the years of stagnation in the product development of the previous DLA-X series is a great example of why yearly product cycles are a bad idea just because... much better to have a new product when you've actually got something worth having.
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I think the years of stagnation in the product development of the previous DLA-X series is a great example of why yearly product cycles are a bad idea just because... much better to have a new product when you've actually got something worth having.
Agreed. I would rather have them keep a product a “current” with firmware updates and then do a MAJOR product release...I think JVC peeved a bunch of us off with the rs600,620, and 640 circus...

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So what's the reasoning for this? Due to the manufacturing problems this year, JVC didn't have time to tweak and improve their projectors? I mean, it it is a whole year, plenty of time to make improvements. If this is so, I would be disappointed. I would have to wait a whole other year to see what improvements they can make, especially with contrast and black levels. I hate waiting...lol.
You might be disappointed, but I am not and I bet everyone that purchased a new JVC feels pretty good. One, resale value is better and two, it might mean that JVC will continue to improve things with firmware updates. Even now, if you purchase, you have at least 13 months before JVC even announces a replacement.
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Hi folks...

I just reread Kris Deering’s JVC/Panny review...in it when reading I concluded that when using the Panny 820 and selecting Basic Luminance (500 nits), the JVC does not use the bt2020 color profile...is this true even if I manually select BT2020 as the color profile on the JVC or am I totally misunderstanding?
Any input would be appreciated folks...if I don’t choose Basic Luminance under the HDR tv type on the panny because it doesn’t use the pj’s color filter what am I supposed to chose under hdr tv type on the Panny or am I just sadly confused? 😳

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Hi folks...

I just reread Kris Deering’s JVC/Panny review...in it when reading I concluded that when using the Panny 820 and selecting Basic Luminance (500 nits), the JVC does not use the bt2020 color profile...is this true even if I manually select BT2020 as the color profile on the JVC or am I totally misunderstanding?
If you select the Panasonic-specific “Pana_PQ_BL” or “Pana_PQ_HL” profile, you cannot also select the BT.2020 profile at the same time. They are mutually exclusive.



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Any input would be appreciated folks...if I don’t choose Basic Luminance under the HDR tv type on the panny because it doesn’t use the pj’s color filter what am I supposed to chose under hdr tv type on the Panny or am I just sadly confused? 😳
If not already, check out the UB820 thread. There's a lot of JVC owners with helpful advise on pairing the player and JVC pj's
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If you select the Panasonic-specific “Pana_PQ_BL” profile, you cannot also select the BT.2020 profile at the same time. They are mutually exclusive.



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Thanks man...ok got it...he was referring to the JVC Panny color profile...all good...I thought he was referring to the Panny 500 nit setting saying it didn’t invoke the color filter...all good, confusion cleared up...thanks again

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If you select the Panasonic-specific “Pana_PQ_BL” or “Pana_PQ_HL” profile, you cannot also select the BT.2020 profile at the same time. They are mutually exclusive.



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Hey Dom, how do u get all those color profile options...I only have 709, dci, hdr , bt2020 when using a picture mode of. Hdr10...fw 2.06...

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So what's the reasoning for this? Due to the manufacturing problems this year, JVC didn't have time to tweak and improve their projectors? I mean, it it is a whole year, plenty of time to make improvements. If this is so, I would be disappointed. I would have to wait a whole other year to see what improvements they can make, especially with contrast and black levels. I hate waiting...lol.
at some point have to appreciate its either too hard to be fixed by just the simple firmware approach or just not going to be fixed. 12 months is a heck of a long time ... and much is still unresolved.

as a case in point in my country i can just about count on one hand number of jvc current gen owners... and NONE are folks who have upgraded from previous gen... why would that be ? and we as a country are always quick to embrace new tech. all those who bought the previous gen and had on day 1 of release arent buying into this new model.

these things have a smell about them. only two ways to fix.... one either move on, new release with all the fixes or fix the old one which doesnt seem to be happening ?

i dont buy the resale. who wants something thats broke and 12 months on still no sign of a fix ? these things are mega dollar premium machines. I get its cutting edge as much as for the maker. but its not getting the vote of confidence... not even from our countries no 1 JVC dealer who is no longer selling these .. what does that say hey ?

yes it is disappointing that it is likely a whole another year before these issues are completely resolved...that is only take I have from this...
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Hey Dom, how do u get all those color profile options...I only have 709, dci, hdr , bt2020 when using a picture mode of. Hdr10...fw 2.06...
As explained in Step 6 of the procedure, you have to select a User Picture Mode to see these profiles.
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I think the years of stagnation in the product development of the previous DLA-X series is a great example of why yearly product cycles are a bad idea just because... much better to have a new product when you've actually got something worth having.
You are right, LG oled comes to mind, very few changes yet a new model number.... Well they did add a new screen and HDMI 2.1, not much else.

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i dont buy the resale. who wants something thats broke and 12 months on still no sign of a fix ? these things are mega dollar premium machines. I get its cutting edge as much as for the maker. but its not getting the vote of confidence... not even from our countries no 1 JVC dealer who is no longer selling these .. what does that say hey ?
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Who is this said #1 dealer? This said dealer may have dropped the line fir all kinds of reasons.
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I just watched Avengers Infinity War 4K UHD (again) on my NX7 via Panasonic DP-UB820. It was gorgeous.

I previously had a DLA-RS500. I say this with no intended animus or disrespect to those of you who are unhappy with the visual performance of this generation of JVC projectors; I can’t imagine not enjoying them, imperfections and all.

I’m thrilled that I decided to refresh, the low latency mode alone was a deal maker for me. You can’t beat Madden or NHL on a 120” screen with 7.2.6 sound.
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You are right, LG oled comes to mind, very few changes yet a new model number.... Well they did add a new screen and HDMI 2.1, not much else.

Who is this said #1 dealer? This said dealer may have dropped the line fir all kinds of reasons.
in my country. and yes he has dropped it as said straight out he is not a box mover and rather not sell something broke and handles all the main brands rather sell.

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in my country. and yes he has dropped it as said straight out he is not a box mover and rather not sell something broke and handles all the main brands rather sell.


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I just watched Avengers Infinity War 4K UHD (again) on my NX7 via Panasonic DP-UB820. It was gorgeous.

I previously had a DLA-RS500. I say this with no intended animus or disrespect to those of you who are unhappy with the visual performance of this generation of JVC projectors; I can’t imagine not enjoying them, imperfections and all.

I’m thrilled that I decided to refresh, the low latency mode alone was a deal maker for me. You can’t beat Madden or NHL on a 120” screen with 7.2.6 sound.
I know a few preferred the previous models but to me these native 4k projectors are amazing. Every UHD BD with MadVR looks incredible for me. The clarity is amazing
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at some point have to appreciate its either too hard to be fixed by just the simple firmware approach or just not going to be fixed. 12 months is a heck of a long time ... and much is still unresolved.

as a case in point in my country i can just about count on one hand number of jvc current gen owners... and NONE are folks who have upgraded from previous gen... why would that be ? and we as a country are always quick to embrace new tech. all those who bought the previous gen and had on day 1 of release arent buying into this new model.

these things have a smell about them. only two ways to fix.... one either move on, new release with all the fixes or fix the old one which doesnt seem to be happening ?

i dont buy the resale. who wants something thats broke and 12 months on still no sign of a fix ? these things are mega dollar premium machines. I get its cutting edge as much as for the maker. but its not getting the vote of confidence... not even from our countries no 1 JVC dealer who is no longer selling these .. what does that say hey ?

yes it is disappointing that it is likely a whole another year before these issues are completely resolved...that is only take I have from this...
Broke? My RS3000 is in some ways, the best projector I have ever owned. At worst, tied for the best projector I have ever owned.
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Broke? My RS3000 is in some ways, the best projector I have ever owned. At worst, tied for the best projector I have ever owned.
I would agree.... my path was slow, Barco 808, EH 9500LC, JVC RS1, RS2, RS600, RS2000 & RS3000. The RS600 was the biggest step, but the RS2000 was an nice improvement and the RS3000 was even more.

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in my country. and yes he has dropped it as said straight out he is not a box mover and rather not sell something broke and handles all the main brands rather sell.
Sounds like your country is the land of the poor contrast and black levels.
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Sounds like your country is the land of the poor contrast and black levels.
Sounds like a very foolish dealer. Dropping one of, if not the best line of projectors on the market. What projector at 18k MSRP or less that beats the 3000? What projector at 8k MSRP or less that beats the 2000 and what projector at 6k MSRP or less that beats the RS1000.?
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I think things in the USA are very different it terms of dealer support from JVC vs dealer support from JVC Australia and it would seem generally anywhere overseas in comparison to the US. In the US, going by this thread, you can get replacement units more easily from your dealer, it would seem for issues than an overseas dealers can from their JVC agents. When a customer can't get a replacement from their dealer as the dealer can't get one from the JVC agent in the relevant country (being told said issues is within spec) then why would the dealer if he is having numerous customers having issue with a specific product line want to deal with the product, its associated issues, and upset customers. *IMO*

For myself, reading of a lack of support from the local JVC agent, the issues that some people are having within this thread and locally (noisy DI, Yellowing issues, random colored lines/purple lines/bars/stripes, poor upscaling, bright corners, etc) and as Al has said JVC's inability to yet fix these issue which may lead to a poorer resale value for those that want to upgrade to a newer model whenever that should be released, has me wary of rolling the dice with the NX7 locally. I understand there are also happy owners as well. I may just seek out a used X9500/X9900 as a stop gap measure for now or demo a BENQ HT9060. YMMV.
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Broke? My RS3000 is in some ways, the best projector I have ever owned. At worst, tied for the best projector I have ever owned.
am sure you as a retailer and many others dont believe JVC RS3000/NX( - RS 2000/NX7/N7/ NVC - RS1000/NX5/N5 topic of this thread are not BROKE. so there is nothing for JVC to fix. But I can assure you there is a great multitude that are quite aware they are indeed broke and with issues that very much need fixing. For anyone to consider otherwise I would suggest would only be sticking head in the sand ....

I am a long time owner of JVC and have owned other brand too. I am sure there is much to crow off wiht a new projector but in spending my good and hard earned I for one much rather hand it over for something without what are quite obvious and unresolved issues and after such a long time.

I do hope NO ONE is suggesting to JVC that these things are NOT BROKE. when they clearly and very cleary are and especially for kind of money they go for. I for one as anyone woudl only like to see these sorted it sooner rather than later. and the more sooner the better. whether it is with updates hardware or software or bringing out a new model.

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am sure you as a retailer and many others dont believe JVC RS3000/NX( - RS 2000/NX7/N7/ NVC - RS1000/NX5/N5 topic of this thread are not BROKE. so there is nothing for JVC to fix. But I can assure you there is a great multitude that are quite aware they are indeed broke and with issues that very much need fixing. For anyone to consider otherwise I would suggest would only be sticking head in the sand ....



I am a long time owner of JVC and have owned other brand too. I am sure there is much to crow off wiht a new projector but in spending my good and hard earned I for one much rather hand it over for something without what are quite obvious and unresolved issues and after such a long time.



I do hope NO ONE is suggesting to JVC that these things are NOT BROKE. when they clearly and very cleary are and especially for kind of money they go for. I for one as anyone woudl only like to see these sorted it sooner rather than later. and the more sooner the better. whether it is with updates hardware or software or bringing out a new model.


No, they are not “ broke “. They may have a few bugs / issues ( like most projectors ) but major issues have been dealt with by JVC in an ongoing fashion.


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I think things in the USA are very different it terms of dealer support from JVC vs dealer support from JVC Australia and it would seem generally anywhere overseas in comparison to the US. In the US, going by this thread, you can get replacement units more easily from your dealer, it would seem for issues than an overseas dealers can from their JVC agents. When a customer can't get a replacement from their dealer as the dealer can't get one from the JVC agent in the relevant country (being told said issues is within spec) then why would the dealer if he is having numerous customers having issue with a specific product line want to deal with the product, its associated issues, and upset customers. *IMO*

For myself, reading of a lack of support from the local JVC agent, the issues that some people are having within this thread and locally (noisy DI, Yellowing issues, random colored lines/purple lines/bars/stripes, poor upscaling, bright corners, etc) and as Al has said JVC's inability to yet fix these issue which may lead to a poorer resale value for those that want to upgrade to a newer model whenever that should be released, has me wary of rolling the dice with the NX7 locally. I understand there are also happy owners as well. I may just seek out a used X9500/X9900 as a stop gap measure for now or demo a BENQ HT9060. YMMV.
Well said spizz. if anything is going up in resale it can only be legacy models I would suggest certainly all the folk I know wiht them aint letting them go.... and for good reason.
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No, they are not “ broke “. They may have a few bugs / issues ( like most projectors ) but major issues have been dealt with by JVC in an ongoing fashion.


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I totally understand from your perspective why you think this way. that this range of JVC are not BROKE and dont need fixing from JVC

However what we have as issues have not been dealt with by JVC and we are 12 months on. this is the current reality.

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