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Projector pro predicts 17 fL of brightness at minimum throw (15’8”) for your setup. Isn’t this way too dark ? I thought 30+ fL is needed for HDR? What screen gain do you have ?



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Mine is a Screen Excellence Enlightor Neo AT screen. I believe gain is 1.0.

I was initially concerned with the brightness given the size of the screen (its massive!), but mine is a batcave and after some research, I figured I will go ahead with a 140" wide scope. Also, because mine is a CIH setup, I need to factor in a decent size for 1:85 content.

The tradeoff is that I will need (or at least have a strong preference for) high lamp mode with HDR. Activating the color filter is also fine. Of course, I use the full panel by utilizing the zoom mode on the projector which helps somewhat.
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I bet that was fun!
Kris did an outstanding calibration on my RS4500 August 15th. Once again the projector - especially with the Lumagen and dynamic tone mapping - has never looked better !

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I’m slow. How in the world would I purchase that?
Unless you live in Japan, you probably can't.

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You can, it is just 83$!
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Unless you live in Japan, you probably can't.
For the non Japanese: you can register to a site named buyee. This site can bid for you on yahoo auction Japan. If you end up winning, the object is sent to the buyee warehouse and, from there, to an address of your choice. Of course, you have to pay for the posting (from the seller to buyee and from buyee to you) and there is
a `bidding fee' and a `handling fee', not talking about the customs. So, in essence, you can do it, but it's not gonna be a cheap operation
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There is a Yahoo Japan Auction for a JVC D-ILA 4K HDR DEMO DISC...

https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/s666406212
If that disk only contains those 5 documentaries, they are all on youtube ==>
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I have a quick question about calibrating my NX5 in HDR mode.

I have recently checked with all the 4K UHD discs that I have (there are more than a dozen of those), and base on the disc information that is displayed from my UHD player (Pioneer LX500), they are all mastered to RGB color primaries of DCI-P3. The attached photo shows the ones for Aquaman … the RGB primaries correspond to DCI-P3, not Rec.2020, though the Info screen of NX5 shows the source’s colorimetry is BT.2020.

My question is: When I calibrate the HDR color profile (not BT2020, because NX5 does not have that), should I line up the RGB saturation points (20% / 40% / 60% / 80%) to the ones for DCI-P3? Or to the ones for Rec.2020? I understand there is little can be done for the Green (as NX5 is lack of the P3 color filter). BTW, I’m using Xrite i1Pro.
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I have a quick question about calibrating my NX5 in HDR mode.

I have recently checked with all the 4K UHD discs that I have (there are more than a dozen of those), and base on the disc information that is displayed from my UHD player (Pioneer LX500), they are all mastered to RGB color primaries of DCI-P3. The attached photo shows the ones for Aquaman … the RGB primaries correspond to DCI-P3, not Rec.2020, though the Info screen of NX5 shows the source’s colorimetry is BT.2020.

My question is: When I calibrate the HDR color profile (not BT2020, because NX5 does not have that), should I line up the RGB saturation points (20% / 40% / 60% / 80%) to the ones for DCI-P3? Or to the ones for Rec.2020? I understand there is little can be done for the Green (as NX5 is lack of the P3 color filter). BTW, I’m using Xrite i1Pro.
This is called “P3 in BT2020 container”, i.e., the disc content is encoded in BT.2020 coordinates, even though the gamut is P3. For calibration you should select REC2020/P3 (using HCFR terminology).
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This is called “P3 in BT2020 container”, i.e., the disc content is encoded in BT.2020 coordinates, even though the gamut is P3. For calibration you should select REC2020/P3 (using HCFR terminology).
Thanks. So if I understand correctly, by displaying & measuring the RGBCMY 20/40/60/80/100% saturation patterns in the Spears & Munsil UHD HDR Benchmark disc (with disc configuration set to Rec2020/P3), they should correspond to the saturation points (coordinates in the CIE diagram) with respect to the gamut of P3 (whereas the encoded RGB values, or more precisely the YCbCr values, in the disc are encoded with respect to the entire Rec2020 color space).
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Thanks. So if I understand correctly, by displaying & measuring the RGBCMY 20/40/60/80/100% saturation patterns in the Spears & Munsil UHD HDR Benchmark disc (with disc configuration set to Rec2020/P3), they should correspond to the saturation points (coordinates in the CIE diagram) with respect to the gamut of P3 (whereas the encoded RGB values, or more precisely the YCbCr values, in the disc are encoded with respect to the entire Rec2020 color space).
Yes, although I’m not quite sure what you mean by “with disc configuration set to Rec2020/P3” (unless that’s a feature on you Pioneer LX500).
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Yes, although I’m not quite sure what you mean by “with disc configuration set to Rec2020/P3” (unless that’s a feature on you Pioneer LX500).
Thanks. In the S&M disc, you can configure the output of the patterns with respect to MaxCLL (600/1000/2000/4000/10000 nits) and colorimetry (Rec2020/P3, or Rec2020). This is what I referred.
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Guys, Great thread! I've decided to go with NX5 for my dedicated home theater but still brainstorming on screen type. I'm inclined towards 2.35:1 format since its mostly movies. Space for screen left is around 120" x 60" (after speakers on left, right and subs at the bottom). Bat cave, so ALR is not a priority. As someone said in this thread, Date your projector but marry your screen. I would take that advice


Desired Equipment list:
NX5
Screen 2.35:1 (Around 130") Brand/type???
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Speakers (Goldenear)
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Appreciate all the help!
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Guys, Great thread! I've decided to go with NX5 for my dedicated home theater but still brainstorming on screen type. I'm inclined towards 2.35:1 format since its mostly movies. Space for screen left is around 120" x 60" (after speakers on left, right and subs at the bottom). Bat cave, so ALR is not a priority. As someone said in this thread, Date your projector but marry your screen. I would take that advice


Desired Equipment list:
NX5
Screen 2.35:1 (Around 130") Brand/type???
7.2.4 Atmos setup
Speakers (Goldenear)
SVS Subs
Marantz SR8012

Appreciate all the help!
Where are you located? In the US? AT screen or solid? Fixed or electric? If electric, do you have budget for tab tensioned?
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Insane price...for us non-1%'ers
Well all one has to do is have the patience to wait until there are Demo Models that drop the Retail price way-way-down.
Just like the MSRP of the Sony ES5000 at $60,000.00 US dollars and the Original Retail Price of the JVC RS4500 at $35,000.00 US dollars.
How many AVS members really paid Retail for either laser projector

And right now if one were to check what is the "Now" street pricing for those laser projectors ???

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Well all one has to do is have the patience to wait until there are Demo Models that drop the Retail price way-way-down.
Just like the MSRP of the Sony ES5000 at $60,000.00 US dollars and the Original Retail Price of the JVC RS4500 at $35,000.00 US dollars.
How many AVS members really paid Retail for either laser projector

And right now if one were to check what is the "Now" street pricing for those laser projectors ???

Terry
I agree with the JVC comment but As far as Sony goes it is difficult to find a legitimate retailer that will sell Sony below the Sony fixed price. In a lot of cases, if you buy a Sony at a discount you forfeit the warranty because the dealer wasn't legit.

Whereas JVC dealers regularly discount sales off the list price just as a normal practice.
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Well all one has to do is have the patience to wait until there are Demo Models that drop the Retail price way-way-down.
Just like the MSRP of the Sony ES5000 at $60,000.00 US dollars and the Original Retail Price of the JVC RS4500 at $35,000.00 US dollars.
How many AVS members really paid Retail for either laser projector

And right now if one were to check what is the "Now" street pricing for those laser projectors ???

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I agree with the JVC comment but As far as Sony goes it is difficult to find a legitimate retailer that will sell Sony below the Sony fixed price. In a lot of cases, if you buy a Sony at a discount you forfeit the warranty because the dealer wasn't legit.

Whereas JVC dealers regularly discount sales off the list price just as a normal practice.
Greg,

I agree from what I have read regarding Sony and it's pricing structure especially if the purchaser wants the Full Sony Factory Warranty.

JVC, as we all know does have very-very aggressive pricing once a new model has been introduced and on the market for awhile.
The RS4500 laser is a prime example.
Based on how Sony operates I once again more than likely will be doing another JVC Laser once it's time.
Note* Unless Sony changes how they do business in the USA when the time comes for another laser projector !!!

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Jvc Z1/r4500 replacement is rumored end of 2020 at twice the cost (read $60k +)


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And that is just a rumor. I would be surprised if there is a consumer projector from JVC that's $60K. But at any rate, the rumored projector was supposedly going to compete with the VW5000 and be twice as bright as the RS4500. It would make more sense to me that there would be ( someday ) an RS4500 at $35K MSRP and a new twice as bright model at $50K - $ 60K. But who knows. Rumors are more often wrong in this industry. The people that really know aren't talking ( NDA ).

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Where are you located? In the US? AT screen or solid? Fixed or electric? If electric, do you have budget for tab tensioned?
In NJ. Looking for a solid, edge free, fixed frame screen. I had Stewart in mind but open for suggestions. Thanks!

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If that disk only contains those 5 documentaries, they are all on youtube ==> Japan filmed 8K
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Yellowstone in 8K ==> Yellowstone filmed 8K
The Yellowstone video is HDR10/BT2020 but the Japan video seems to be SDR/REC709 unless I found the wrong version.

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In NJ. Looking for a solid, edge free, fixed frame screen. I had Stewart in mind but open for suggestions. Thanks!
For a solid fixed frame zero edge type design in 130" diagonal Stewart ST100 would give you the best image in a good light controlled room. Stewart ST130 would give you a little more brightness, but at the cost of some slight sparkle. Other material to consider would be Screen Innovation Pure White. Another option would be Seymour AV's Glacier White fabric. All three companies make a small frame option. If you would like some screen samples, let me know.
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For a solid fixed frame zero edge type design in 130" diagonal Stewart ST100 would give you the best image in a good light controlled room. Stewart ST130 would give you a little more brightness, but at the cost of some slight sparkle. Other material to consider would be Screen Innovation Pure White. Another option would be Seymour AV's Glacier White fabric. All three companies make a small frame option. If you would like some screen samples, let me know.



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In NJ. Looking for a solid, edge free, fixed frame screen. I had Stewart in mind but open for suggestions. Thanks!


I can vouch for the ST100. It’s incredible for color rendition and sharpness. I purchased mine years ago from Mike (along with all of my projectors). I have since moved to an acoustically transparent Seymour XD screen and gave up a bit of sharpness.


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I agree with the JVC comment but As far as Sony goes it is difficult to find a legitimate retailer that will sell Sony below the Sony fixed price. In a lot of cases, if you buy a Sony at a discount you forfeit the warranty because the dealer wasn't legit.

Whereas JVC dealers regularly discount sales off the list price just as a normal practice.
Paying retail is a drag, especially when there is something similar for less cash as you noted. Hard to justify paying the extra cash....
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Guys, Great thread! I've decided to go with NX5 for my dedicated home theater but still brainstorming on screen type. I'm inclined towards 2.35:1 format since its mostly movies. Space for screen left is around 120" x 60" (after speakers on left, right and subs at the bottom). Bat cave, so ALR is not a priority. As someone said in this thread, Date your projector but marry your screen. I would take that advice





Desired Equipment list:

NX5

Screen 2.35:1 (Around 130") Brand/type???

7.2.4 Atmos setup

Speakers (Goldenear)

SVS Subs

Marantz SR8012



Appreciate all the help!


Do you have the ability to put the LCR speakers behind the screen and go with an acoustically transparent screen ? I had an electric Stewart filmscreen with speakers next to and below my screen. It was always distracting. Now my LCR speakers are hidden behind my screen and the experience is much better in my opinion.

I would recommend a 2.40:1 aspect ratio vs 2.35 as most 4K blu-Ray movies are either 2.40:1 or 2.39:1.


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So will we finally find out what the new HDR feature is in the secret firmware to be unveiled by JVC at IFA2019 tomorrow night.

IFA opens Friday in Berlin but that would be late Thursday on the West Coast US. Any chance we will hear about the new JVC firmware features then or will we have to wait for the weekend.
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Guys, Great thread! I've decided to go with NX5 for my dedicated home theater but still brainstorming on screen type. I'm inclined towards 2.35:1 format since its mostly movies. Space for screen left is around 120" x 60" (after speakers on left, right and subs at the bottom). Bat cave, so ALR is not a priority. As someone said in this thread, Date your projector but marry your screen. I would take that advice [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]





Desired Equipment list:

NX5

Screen 2.35:1 (Around 130") Brand/type???

7.2.4 Atmos setup

Speakers (Goldenear)

SVS Subs

Marantz SR8012



Appreciate all the help!


Do you have the ability to put the LCR speakers behind the screen and go with an acoustically transparent screen ? I had an electric Stewart filmscreen with speakers next to and below my screen. It was always distracting. Now my LCR speakers are hidden behind my screen and the experience is much better in my opinion.

I would recommend a 2.40:1 aspect ratio vs 2.35 as most 4K blu-Ray movies are either 2.40:1 or 2.39:1.


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I would always prefer a clean look and my basement contractor is very flexible for changes. AT will give me bigger size screen and a clean look. Any downsides of AT screen besides loosing few DB?
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I would always prefer a clean look and my basement contractor is very flexible for changes. AT will give me bigger size screen and a clean look. Any downsides of AT screen besides loosing few DB?
You are not really "losing" a few DB. The screen does attenuate certain frequencies slightly but this is compensated for when you EQ the room. In general, and I am not trying to sound snooty here, higher end theaters are typically using acoustically transparent screens.... just like a real theater uses.

Now we can start talking speakers as I would not recommend the Goldenear speakers for a truly dynamic home theater (unless your room is very small). Something from Triad (now owned by Control4), Revel, JTR or my personal favorite Procella Speakers (I own 11 of these). The Procella, JTR, Triad are very dynamic and do not have the more shrill sound of metal dome tweeters (Revel wall mount speakers are still very good for small rooms). Also JTR or Seaton Submersive will blow away the SVS (check out data-bass.com for actual testing of subs).

Plan your wiring so that you have enough 20 amp circuits to allow each sub to be dedicated to a separate one.. and at least a separate circuit for your amps/receiver... once you go down the rabbit hole and hear the clean, distortion free bass that can be achieved with 2-6 subs you will not believe it.

It's really visual heaven when you can take all distractions away and only focus on the screen image. For wall paint Rosco Video Paint - TV Black has been verified by ARROVAV (and me) as the blackest paint for home theater use. I used Rosco Super saturated on my ceiling before the forum tested the Video Paint.

I had a nice set up with a drop down electric screen and Sonos Faber speakers but then I started reading this forum

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Subs: JTR Captivator subs: One S2, Two RS2, One S1
Screen: 2.40:1 Seymour XD Acoustically Transparent, 128" diagonal / 118" wide || Projector: JVC X570/RS420
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I would always prefer a clean look and my basement contractor is very flexible for changes. AT will give me bigger size screen and a clean look. Any downsides of AT screen besides loosing few DB?
I hope you are engaging the other threads regarding construction techniques. I would recommend using, at a minimum, double 5/8" sheetrock with Green Glue damping compound between layers. Being in a basement you need to pay special attention to the ceiling and the walls. If you want any tactile feel from your subwoofer you also will need a wood subfloor over your basement concrete. If not, even the most amazing subs will not be able to give you the tactile slam since the concrete will not vibrate / flex like wood. Using a double wall construction is next with double 5/8" on the inside and outside wall but not sure how many of your walls are concrete due to the basement. There is a lot to consider and we will help you out.

7.4.6 system: Processors:Marantz 8805 || Xilica XP4080 Amps: Parasound A31 and ATI AT528NC & AT526NC n-core ||Speakers: Procella P8 LCR, Procella P5/P5 in-wall
Subs: JTR Captivator subs: One S2, Two RS2, One S1
Screen: 2.40:1 Seymour XD Acoustically Transparent, 128" diagonal / 118" wide || Projector: JVC X570/RS420

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