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Good afternoon avs'ers Im in Columbus, Ohio and was wandering if anyone knew of a showroom with an NX7 or RS2000 I could demo. If not someone who lives in the area with one. I could bring beer or wine.... 😃

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Good afternoon avs'ers Im in Columbus, Ohio and was wandering if anyone knew of a showroom with an NX7 or RS2000 I could demo. If not someone who lives in the area with one. I could bring beer or wine.... 😃
I have a Sony 695 right now but have the NX7 on order. Hope to have it in the next week or two. I am in Cincinnati but you would certainly be welcome to come down if you don't find any closer options.

BTW, I am an OSU alumn and in Columbus for the game Saturday. Go Bucks
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But there is a big difference between firmware and hardware. If the firmware is working good enough for demoing, I would think it would be fairly soon after that they could release to the public.
The NX lineup was good enough to demo in September of 2018 too

Also yes you're right about firmware but I waited over 7 months from pre-order to delivery for my NX7 so I need to get at least one good joke in about that. I'm sure the new JVC firmware will roll out just fine before end of the year.
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Official news release from JVC says firmware is available for download in Oct. IFA report says November. Which is it?
Something oddly familiar here...

The timing of the $$$ increase on the n7/2000 also seems convenient to drive some sales on the "miracle" update news.

What could possibly go wrong?

Anyone basing a projector purchase or upgrade on the new software might consider waiting to see reviews of the final product.

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Something oddly familiar here...

The timing of the $$$ increase on the n7/2000 also seems convenient to drive some sales on the "miracle" update news.

What could possibly go wrong?

Anyone basing a projector purchase or upgrade on the new software might consider waiting to see reviews of the final product.

This week BenQ announced price increase due to tariffs and LG just did the same thing. Both of them stated tariffs as the reason for the increase.
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Something oddly familiar here...

The timing of the $$$ increase on the n7/2000 also seems convenient to drive some sales on the "miracle" update news.

What could possibly go wrong?

Anyone basing a projector purchase or upgrade on the new software might consider waiting to see reviews of the final product.

Wouldn't you release and publicize the firmware after the price hike if the intent was to get the customer to pay more? As it is you can order at the current MSRP and get the same update down the road. That actually seems like a pretty generous move on JVC's part. Gives anyone thinking about it time to get their order in prior to the hike.

FWIW everything we source electronics wise has been going up with tariff's being blamed.

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Hi. 2 days ago I received my NX7. Really excited. This is my first digital pj (Sony CRT until a year ago) so it is a bit different (understatement) beast to deal with. I need to do some learning and this is the first place i thought to come to. I will eventually wade through the 15k plus messages here and ask a lot of questions but i was hoping someone may shortcut me to some basic setup options instead of mounting and aligning with the out of the box settings. No doubt there are some members who have chronicled their setup adventure and i'd like to take advantage of that if possible.

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Something oddly familiar here...

The timing of the $$$ increase on the n7/2000 also seems convenient to drive some sales on the "miracle" update news.

What could possibly go wrong?

Anyone basing a projector purchase or upgrade on the new software might consider waiting to see reviews of the final product.

I believe even with the extra $1000 without the update, the Rs2000/N7 is worth it.
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Hi. 2 days ago I received my NX7. Really excited. This is my first digital pj (Sony CRT until a year ago) so it is a bit different (understatement) beast to deal with. I need to do some learning and this is the first place i thought to come to. I will eventually wade through the 15k plus messages here and ask a lot of questions but i was hoping someone may shortcut me to some basic setup options instead of mounting and aligning with the out of the box settings. No doubt there are some members who have chronicled their setup adventure and i'd like to take advantage of that if possible.

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Welcome Tim, and congratulations! I have the same pj and love it! This thread is invaluable and we are fortunate to have it.
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Hi. 2 days ago I received my NX7. Really excited. This is my first digital pj (Sony CRT until a year ago) so it is a bit different (understatement) beast to deal with. I need to do some learning and this is the first place i thought to come to. I will eventually wade through the 15k plus messages here and ask a lot of questions but i was hoping someone may shortcut me to some basic setup options instead of mounting and aligning with the out of the box settings. No doubt there are some members who have chronicled their setup adventure and i'd like to take advantage of that if possible.

TIA,
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Check out the first opening post by Arrow-AV. It should have most of the information you want.
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This week BenQ announced price increase due to tariffs and LG just did the same thing. Both of them stated tariffs as the reason for the increase.
Bad thing with tariffs is that they are a blunt tool that causes all kinds of collateral damage. They are responsible for reduced trade, false pricing of products, currency values rising and falling, reduction in domestic jobs, and reduced GDP That is why they were basically abolished by the world trade organization after WWII. So I am not surprised to see all kinds of electronics going up in price regardless of origin of production because the lack of free trade is effecting all trade.
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Bad thing with tariffs is that they are a blunt tool that causes all kinds of collateral damage. They are responsible for reduced trade, false pricing of products, currency values rising and falling, reduction in domestic jobs, and reduced GDP That is why they were basically abolished by the world trade organization after WWII. So I am not surprised to see all kinds of electronics going up in price regardless of origin of production because the lack of free trade is effecting all trade.
I'm a big free trade advocate, but we (specifically the US and frankly, many other countries in the world) are getting screwed by China--especially in the IP world. It is a one way street with them and the hope 20 years ago was that once they became part of the world community, they would start adopting "standardized business practices." Unfortunately, that has not come to fruition. Something needed to be done or we would regret it mightily at some point in the future. All one needs to do is look at what's going on in Hong Kong to see what the future of doing business with the communist regime in China will lead do.
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I'm with you on this. The only competition for the NX7 is the 695ES and the NX7 destroys the 695ES for still $1000 lower MSRP. Unfortunately, it's probably priced correctly at $9k MSRP.
Now, now, let's all play nicely. I think the Sony can throw some gorgeous images.
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Obviously we don’t know all the details yet but I believe this is due to leveraging their processing for the dynamic iris to achieve their tone mapping. Since that works on a frame by frame basis, they can do the tone mapping that way as well. Question is how many artifacts may be associated with frame by frame.
Excellent point! And that's why I'm going to take the "wait and see" approach. If this DTM FW causes my otherwise stoic DI to exhibit artifacts, I'm sitting this one out.
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Something oddly familiar here...

The timing of the $$$ increase on the n7/2000 also seems convenient to drive some sales on the "miracle" update news.

What could possibly go wrong?

Anyone basing a projector purchase or upgrade on the new software might consider waiting to see reviews of the final product.

..glad to see you back.
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Now, now, let's all play nicely. I think the Sony can throw some gorgeous images.
My 2003 Jetta Wagon TDI drives really nicely too.
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I'm a big free trade advocate, but we (specifically the US and frankly, many other countries in the world) are getting screwed by China--especially in the IP world. It is a one way street with them and the hope 20 years ago was that once they became part of the world community, they would start adopting "standardized business practices." Unfortunately, that has not come to fruition. Something needed to be done or we would regret it mightily at some point in the future. All one needs to do is look at what's going on in Hong Kong to see what the future of doing business with the communist regime in China will lead do.
Not to continue with off topic subject but I agree completely with this. However there are a million ways that are better to handle this issue than tariffs. For example the ban of Huawei telecommunication products was a far more effective and targeted attack on these sort of violations.

Tariffs are the worst tool in the tool kit for dealing with IP theft simply because they have worldwide ramifications and collateral damage which is totally unnecessary. This was all hashed out in the early 1900s and everyone came to their senses after the Great Depression and WWII. Of course history seems doomed to always repeat itself.

Last off topic rant, I promise.

I am just anxious to hear more about what this JVC firmware update will do for my RS3000.
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Have not looked in here for awhile - any news on DI yellowing fix or is that ship sailed? -
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Have not looked in here for awhile - any news on DI yellowing fix or is that ship sailed? -
Nope. No news on the forced 4:2:2 chroma issue either. There will be a big fancy firmware update in ~November that will add many features (http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2019/consu...re_update.html), but no confirmation that they will fix our existing issues.
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Nope. No news on the forced 4:2:2 chroma issue either. There will be a big fancy firmware update in ~November that will add many features (http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2019/consu...re_update.html), but no confirmation that they will fix our existing issues.
Is the DI yellowing issue more of an RS1000/RS2000 issue?

The reason I ask is because I haven't really seen it on my RS3000.
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Nope. No news on the forced 4:2:2 chroma issue either. There will be a big fancy firmware update in ~November that will add many features (http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2019/consu...re_update.html), but no confirmation that they will fix our existing issues.
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Is the DI yellowing issue more of an RS1000/RS2000 issue?

The reason I ask is because I haven't really seen it on my RS3000.
Maybe? Have you tested the Lucy intro where it has "LUCY" in big white text on the screen? I can only reproduce the issue in extreme cases like that and even then I see it only if I'm looking for it. It's subtle, but present.
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This week BenQ announced price increase due to tariffs and LG just did the same thing. Both of them stated tariffs as the reason for the increase.
I wonder if they did it across the board or only with selected products. If selectively, could it be a trend to come? --not everything produced by a particular manufacturer will be prorated/subject to price increase?
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Maybe? Have you tested the Lucy intro where it has "LUCY" in big white text on the screen? I can only reproduce the issue in extreme cases like that and even then I see it only if I'm looking for it. It's subtle, but present.
No, I haven't tried any specific test to see if it exists on my RS3000. Not sure I want to see it. Sometimes you see it once and then you can't un-see it.

I have noticed that with the 2.08 update my HDMI connections are much more sensitive. I used to never have HDMI handshake failures resulting in multiple color vertical lines, or blank screens, or random static images. But now it happens several times a week when changing input devices or switching to different video resolutions and formats. I am hoping the new update will once again restore the stability I had with previous firmware.
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Is the DI yellowing issue more of an RS1000/RS2000 issue?

The reason I ask is because I haven't really seen it on my RS3000.
July NX7 here and zero issues with DI. It is possible the newer builds have it fixed but I'm not sure.
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Bad thing with tariffs is that they are a blunt tool that causes all kinds of collateral damage. They are responsible for reduced trade, false pricing of products, currency values rising and falling, reduction in domestic jobs, and reduced GDP That is why they were basically abolished by the world trade organization after WWII. So I am not surprised to see all kinds of electronics going up in price regardless of origin of production because the lack of free trade is effecting all trade.
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Wouldn't you release and publicize the firmware after the price hike if the intent was to get the customer to pay more? As it is you can order at the current MSRP and get the same update down the road. That actually seems like a pretty generous move on JVC's part. Gives anyone thinking about it time to get their order in prior to the hike.

FWIW everything we source electronics wise has been going up with tariff's being blamed.
Yep, I think that was mighty nice to let everyone know, could have been a surprise. In 16 years of business I saw a hike on one single Samsung TV, no warning......
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I have noticed that with the 2.08 update my HDMI connections are much more sensitive. I used to never have HDMI handshake failures resulting in multiple color vertical lines, or blank screens, or random static images. But now it happens several times a week when changing input devices or switching to different video resolutions and formats. I am hoping the new update will once again restore the stability I had with previous firmware.
FWIW I've not seen this at all on my RS-3000 since (or before) updating to 2.08. Maybe you should get in contact with JVC (via your dealer).
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I've been thinking hard about my next imminent projector purchase and been also doing some number crunching on brightness on my 138" diagonal DaLite HD Progressive scope screen.

My current screen material is the 1.3 but I'm going to swap it out for the 1.1 (actual gain 1.18). This is because it has some un-cleanable splotches as well as since I'm swapping looking to reduce the sparkles I've always seen on high IRE content.

I also would prefer to run in low lamp or mid-laser.

Using a combination of the online projector pro calculator (which takes the highest lumens of the projectors) + reduced percentages of that number as per calibrated lumens of each projector as reported by some members here (thanks markmon) and also accounting for some bulb aging after first 200 hours, I've arrived at the following estimates:

An NX9 on low lamp @ 15' throw to the 1.18 gain 138" diag. scope = 21.6ftL or 74 nits ---->not bright enough for future-proofing 4K/HDR

An NX9 on low lamp with a DCR lens @ 15' throw to the 1.18 gain 138" diag. scope = 26.4ftL or 90 nits ------->barely bright enough for future-proofing 4K/HDR

A RS4500 on mid laser @ 14'9" throw to the 1.18 gain 138" diag. scope = 33ftL or 112 nits . -----> bright enough for future proofing 4K/HDR

And, finally since with the brightness of the RS4500 on mid I wanted to see if I could drop my screen down to the 0.9 gain (actual gain 0.98) to fully eliminate sparkles (according to DaLite):

A RS4500 on mid laser @ 14'9" throw to the 0.98 gain 138" diag scope = 27ftL or 94 nits . ------>just bright enough for future proofing 4K/HDR


Firstly, does this all sound about right? (thumb in the air)

If so, which scenario would you choose?

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I've been thinking hard about my next imminent projector purchase and been also doing some number crunching on brightness on my 138" diagonal DaLite HD Progressive scope screen.

My current screen material is the 1.3 but I'm going to swap it out for the 1.1 (actual gain 1.18). This is because it has some un-cleanable splotches as well as since I'm swapping looking to reduce the sparkles I've always seen on high IRE content.

I also would prefer to run in low lamp or mid-laser.

Using a combination of the online projector pro calculator (which takes the highest lumens of the projectors) + reduced percentages of that number as per calibrated lumens of each projector as reported by some members here (thanks markmon) and also accounting for some bulb aging after first 200 hours, I've arrived at the following estimates:

An NX9 on low lamp @ 15' throw to the 1.18 gain 138" diag. scope = 21.6ftL or 74 nits ---->not bright enough for future-proofing 4K/HDR

An NX9 on low lamp with a DCR lens @ 15' throw to the 1.18 gain 138" diag. scope = 26.4ftL or 90 nits ------->barely bright enough for future-proofing 4K/HDR

A RS4500 on mid laser @ 14'9" throw to the 1.18 gain 138" diag. scope = 33ftL or 112 nits . -----> bright enough for future proofing 4K/HDR

And, finally since with the brightness of the RS4500 on mid I wanted to see if I could drop my screen down to the 0.9 gain (actual gain 0.98) to fully eliminate sparkles (according to DaLite):

A RS4500 on mid laser @ 14'9" throw to the 0.98 gain 138" diag scope = 27ftL or 94 nits . ------>just bright enough for future proofing 4K/HDR


Firstly, does this all sound about right? (thumb in the air)

If so, which scenario would you choose?

Edit: added a pic of my room with lights on (one end of a large basement)
Why do u prefer low lamp for hdr?

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July NX7 here and zero issues with DI. It is possible the newer builds have it fixed but I'm not sure.
be great - but you may have the golden sample -
had corresponded with few uses who thought the same but turns out just did not notice -
its lettering on screen where most noticable

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