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I'm watching Disney+ through a 2019 Roku Ultra and while the 4K HDR video is wonderful, everything is coming through as 5.1 DD or at best DD+, so my Yamaha RX-3070 is using the Dolby Surround Upmixer, though it does fine decoding Atmos and DTS:X from disks and getting DD+ Atmos from VUDU and Apple TV+ via the Roku.

How are you folks getting Atmos from Disney+? Before I set up my new theater, I bought a Amazon Fire TV that I haven't unpacked yet, since I've now been able to get the full Amazon Music service through the Roku. Does the Fire TV get Atmos from Disney+?

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I thought the DTM handled the 4K HDR stream of The Mandalorian very well last night through an Apple TV and Gigabit internet. Using Auto and FBF.



This show is incredibly cinematic and the roughly 10 million dollar per episode is on full display. It is presented in 2.35 and takes advantage of that AR with some jaw dropping wide shots. I saw zero banding. But, I did see incredibly deep blacks. The detail was outstanding. I was very impressed and this is coming from someone who would buy a physical copy over streaming any day. So if you are looking for something worthy of your new JVC then give it a whirl.


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I'm watching Disney+ through a 2019 Roku Ultra and while the 4K HDR video is wonderful, everything is coming through as 5.1 DD or at best DD+, so my Yamaha RX-3070 is using the Dolby Surround Upmixer, though it does fine decoding Atmos and DTS:X from disks and getting DD+ Atmos from VUDU and Apple TV+ via the Roku.

How are you folks getting Atmos from Disney+? Before I set up my new theater, I bought a Amazon Fire TV that I haven't unpacked yet, since I've now been able to get the full Amazon Music service through the Roku. Does the Fire TV get Atmos from Disney+?
No issues here with a Roku Ultra. My biggest gripe is there's no MaxCLL and MaxFALL information being sent, so the Auto setting on Tone Mapping doesn't work very well. Anyone else have an issue?

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No issues here with a Roku Ultra. My biggest gripe is there's no MaxCLL and MaxFALL information being sent, so the Auto setting on Tone Mapping doesn't work very well. Anyone else have an issue?
Dave, when you say no issues, are you saying that you ARE getting ATMOS from Disney+ via the Roku Ultra?
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Yes, I watched Star Wars: A new Hope last night. Spectacular quality 4k HDR and Dolby Atmos sound track. I couldn't believe how well this turned out. Can't wait to stream the new Mandalorian series about the Star Wars Bounty Hunters. This should be spectacular considering it is all 4k from the ground up. I think Disney has a real hit here with Disney+ streaming service. The seamless integration with the Apple TV App works great as well.
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I'm watching Disney+ through a 2019 Roku Ultra and while the 4K HDR video is wonderful, everything is coming through as 5.1 DD or at best DD+, so my Yamaha RX-3070 is using the Dolby Surround Upmixer, though it does fine decoding Atmos and DTS:X from disks and getting DD+ Atmos from VUDU and Apple TV+ via the Roku.

How are you folks getting Atmos from Disney+? Before I set up my new theater, I bought a Amazon Fire TV that I haven't unpacked yet, since I've now been able to get the full Amazon Music service through the Roku. Does the Fire TV get Atmos from Disney+?
No issues here with a Roku Ultra. My biggest gripe is there's no MaxCLL and MaxFALL information being sent, so the Auto setting on Tone Mapping doesn't work very well. Anyone else have an issue?
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Dave, when you say no issues, are you saying that you ARE getting ATMOS from Disney+ via the Roku Ultra?
Yes...sorry I wasn't more clear. No problems with Atmos. The podrace scene in Episode One is quite good.

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Hi Dave I’ve streamed material off Apple TV without meta data running dtm on auto and it’s been fine 🙂
It looks too dark to my eyes, especially in backgrounds. Putting the lamp on high and changing DTM to High from Auto really helped a lot.

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It looks too dark to my eyes, especially in backgrounds. Putting the lamp on high and changing DTM to High from Auto really helped a lot.
thats curious Dave, always the case ? I thought you ran a screen o the smaller size like me though could be something about the particular material...
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No issues here with a Roku Ultra. My biggest gripe is there's no MaxCLL and MaxFALL information being sent, so the Auto setting on Tone Mapping doesn't work very well. Anyone else have an issue?


Hey Dave are you talking about the DTM tone mapping ?


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Based on JVC's revised control codes for the new models (attached, thanks @Mike Garrett for providing them) I've tried to create a filter on and filter off IP Control command for iRule, but unlike the other new codes it doesn't seem to work on the new models.

Has anyone been able to get these to work with iRule on an rs2000/3000/nx7/nx9?

Here is my filter on command: \x21\x89\x01\x50\x4D\x43\x46\x31\x0A

I'm using x50 x4D x43 x46 (ASCII P M C F, p. 27) and then x31 (ASCII '1', p. 40) to get the filter on (x30 to get the filter off).

Of course I might have got it wrong, which would explain it...

Any idea / correction (specific to the new models) would be appreciated.
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Yes, bring it with you. By the way, Next Projection will also have a Stewart ST130 Gen 4 for use at the showing. I think your comparisons of the NX7's DTM vs LLDV should be performed on that screen. I won't be arriving until later that day, so please take good notes.
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Yes, bring it with you. By the way, Next Projection will also have a Stewart ST130 Gen 4 for use at the showing. I think your comparisons of the NX7's DTM vs LLDV should be performed on that screen. I won't be arriving until later that day, so please take good notes.
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If JVC did remove anything, I am pretty sure it would apply to future models sold, not current.
Yes, then many of us would not risk buying those future models. Without advanced exchange, my upper limit is around $5k to buy a projector. With it, I.. well I own an RS4500. I woudln't own an RS4500 if it didn't have advanced exchange. So hopefully JVC has the sense to continue offering advanced exchange for the upper end models.

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I found 8k eshift was a slight sharpness enhancement almost like turning on light level of reality creation on a sony. And only on the right content (very high detailed 4K). I think I'd run it if I had an RS3000. The difference was only visible toggling back and forth. If you were to later come into the room there's no way you'd know if it was enabled or disabled.

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I'm watching Disney+ through a 2019 Roku Ultra and while the 4K HDR video is wonderful, everything is coming through as 5.1 DD or at best DD+, so my Yamaha RX-3070 is using the Dolby Surround Upmixer, though it does fine decoding Atmos and DTS:X from disks and getting DD+ Atmos from VUDU and Apple TV+ via the Roku.

How are you folks getting Atmos from Disney+? Before I set up my new theater, I bought a Amazon Fire TV that I haven't unpacked yet, since I've now been able to get the full Amazon Music service through the Roku. Does the Fire TV get Atmos from Disney+?
I do have Atmos from my ATV4K. I was disappointed that I did not get Atmos from The Mandalorian but the up mixer did a fine job converting 5.1 with the Dolby Surround up mixer. I do get Atmos from other streams such as Star Wars A New Hope. The tags on the show description seem to be accurate at least for me.

I also have a Roku Premiere Plus so I will try it out and let you know if that device is delivering Atmos as well.
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Based on JVC's revised control codes for the new models (attached, thanks @Mike Garrett for providing them) I've tried to create a filter on and filter off IP Control command for iRule, but unlike the other new codes it doesn't seem to work on the new models.

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I'm using x50 x4D x43 x46 (ASCII P M C F, p. 27) and then x31 (ASCII '1', p. 40) to get the filter on (x30 to get the filter off).

Of course I might have got it wrong, which would explain it...

Any idea / correction (specific to the new models) would be appreciated.
This looks correct to me based on my interpretation of the doc also. Maybe verify it doesn't work also in my JVCControl (run from your HTPC):
JvcControl.exe Raw:PMCF1 <-- should be the command.
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I found 8k eshift was a slight sharpness enhancement almost like turning on light level of reality creation on a sony. And only on the right content (very high detailed 4K). I think I'd run it if I had an RS3000. The difference was only visible toggling back and forth. If you were to later come into the room there's no way you'd know if it was enabled or disabled.


Difference is Mark I found with 8k eshift their is no artefacts whilst RC on Sony at times there were.


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I'm watching Disney+ through a 2019 Roku Ultra and while the 4K HDR video is wonderful, everything is coming through as 5.1 DD or at best DD+, so my Yamaha RX-3070 is using the Dolby Surround Upmixer, though it does fine decoding Atmos and DTS:X from disks and getting DD+ Atmos from VUDU and Apple TV+ via the Roku.

How are you folks getting Atmos from Disney+? Before I set up my new theater, I bought a Amazon Fire TV that I haven't unpacked yet, since I've now been able to get the full Amazon Music service through the Roku. Does the Fire TV get Atmos from Disney+?
Did you check the info screen on your RX-A3070 as to the actual number of input channels? You may see DD+ from the Roku, but that still may be decoded as Atmos (7.1.x) in the 3070.

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I agree with you, Dave. I watched The Mandalorian and a few minutes of A New Hope last night and found both incredibly dim using the Auto setting. I had to bump up to High to get a watchable picture, and even then found virtually no sense of "HDR" from either one.

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I thought the DTM handled the 4K HDR stream of The Mandalorian very well last night through an Apple TV and Gigabit internet. Using Auto and FBF.

This show is incredibly cinematic and the roughly 10 million dollar per episode is on full display. It is presented in 2.35 and takes advantage of that AR with some jaw dropping wide shots. I saw zero banding. But, I did see incredibly deep blacks. The detail was outstanding. I was very impressed and this is coming from someone who would buy a physical copy over streaming any day. So if you are looking for something worthy of your new JVC then give it a whirl.
I don't know where you're getting deep blacks in The Mandalorian. The show is mastered with the same elevated black levels and flattened contrast as other modern Star Wars properties. It may not look as poor as The Last Jedi, but it frankly wasn't far off from that, IMO.

The Atmos sounded good as far as aggressive channel usage, but had limited dynamic range per the Disney norm.
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Yes, then many of us would not risk buying those future models. Without advanced exchange, my upper limit is around $5k to buy a projector. With it, I.. well I own an RS4500. I woudln't own an RS4500 if it didn't have advanced exchange. So hopefully JVC has the sense to continue offering advanced exchange for the upper end models.
The 4500 does not have advanced exchange. 4500 lists 3 year warranty. RS1000/2000/3000 list 3-year advanced replacement warranty.
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Oh I have all of those, as well as the Silver Screen edition of '77, Just wanting the unaltered films in 4K HDR.
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Nah, Netflix will wait until Disney prices catch up, in a year or two. Disney is nicely positioned to raise their prices in increments. They get the best of both - initial surge of subscribers and incremental revenue growth.
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I agree with you, Dave. I watched The Mandalorian and a few minutes of A New Hope last night and found both incredibly dim using the Auto setting. I had to bump up to High to get a watchable picture, and even then found virtually no sense of "HDR" from either one.



I don't know where you're getting deep blacks in The Mandalorian. The show is mastered with the same elevated black levels and flattened contrast as other modern Star Wars properties. It may not look as poor as The Last Jedi, but it frankly wasn't far off from that, IMO.

The Atmos sounded good as far as aggressive channel usage, but had limited dynamic range per the Disney norm.
I just looked again and I agree it is not "deep" black. I shouldn't have been so outrageous to describe it as deep but I was excited at the time. I think I was expecting something pretty terrible from streaming but I was pleasantly surprised in an overall nice picture.

My HDR setting is with my iris at minus 3 and that could make a difference in the black levels I am getting. I do feel that the show has an elevated black level after looking again with paused pictures. In motion somehow I did not feel it was bad at all and it is easy to feel the image has great depth with this particular show and get caught up in the cinematography. Perhaps I will stop looking at paused images for problems and just keep enjoying the show. But, the damage is done and yes the blacks are somewhat elevated.

I tested using my Roku this morning and was able to detect banding. The picture was a bit dim compared to what I remembered using the ATV.

I then tested the same scenes with the ATV and the banding was gone. I still found the picture to be a bit dim but when I watched it the first time I just accepted that this was a darker show and I would still argue that it is supposed to be darker than most. I switched from the Auto setting to the High setting and I found the picture better with more punch and most scenes are improved in the High setting. I paused on a star field scene and I did not feel that the black performance suffered when placed in High. Instead the stars now had more punch and made the black look even blacker than before somehow. More contrast in the image I guess? I have only felt this way about a few shows that are very dark overall and I have been using the Auto setting with almost everything.

I took pictures of these shots but it doesn't look exactly the same as what I am seeing with my own eyes so it may not be worth posting. You can clearly see the difference between Auto and High though. I might want to post a picture of the star field just to prove that the black levels are not atrocious since it may be my particular set up.
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I'm watching Disney+ through a 2019 Roku Ultra and while the 4K HDR video is wonderful, everything is coming through as 5.1 DD or at best DD+, so my Yamaha RX-3070 is using the Dolby Surround Upmixer, though it does fine decoding Atmos and DTS:X from disks and getting DD+ Atmos from VUDU and Apple TV+ via the Roku.

How are you folks getting Atmos from Disney+? Before I set up my new theater, I bought a Amazon Fire TV that I haven't unpacked yet, since I've now been able to get the full Amazon Music service through the Roku. Does the Fire TV get Atmos from Disney+?
Tested using my Roku Premiere Plus and the Atmos does work using the original trilogy. Something odd though was that while The Mandalorian shows up as 5.1 in the description when I actually play it my AVR states that I am putting out Dolby Atmos! Very strange. It would seem there is something amiss with your set up as well.

My ATV meanwhile puts out 5.1 with The Mandalorian and still puts out Atmos with the original trilogy.

I felt the audio needed to be bumped up 4 dB or so with The Mandalorian and I am used to doing this on the recent Disney mixes so no surprises there.

The audio and video on A New Hope was very good and probably the best I have ever seen or heard. I don't know how I feel about Greedo and Han shooting at the same time now but hey they didn't make that scene any worse than the specialized editions. I am not going to be a Debbie Downer. I think getting a UHD/Atmos remaster was unexpected and welcome. It remains to be seen how much of a remaster it really is but like I said I am going to remain positive for now. Edit: this could have been a part of the planned 3D release of these films several years ago that was never released but perhaps the scans were of high enough quality?)

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Hey Dave are you talking about the DTM tone mapping ?
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I just looked again and I agree it is not "deep" black. I shouldn't have been so outrageous to describe it as deep but I was excited at the time. I think I was expecting something pretty terrible from streaming but I was pleasantly surprised in an overall nice picture.
The Disney+ streams are good but have you seen the AppleTV+ streaming. It is downright stunning. It is definitely the best streaming quality I have seen to date. I read where it was something on the order of 48 mbps streaming bandwidth for audio and video. It is much better than regular AppleTV iTunes movies or Disney+ streams. Unfortunately the content isn't there yet for ATV+. Disney has by far the best content for the price.
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No issues here with a Roku Ultra. My biggest gripe is there's no MaxCLL and MaxFALL information being sent, so the Auto setting on Tone Mapping doesn't work very well. Anyone else have an issue?
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It looks too dark to my eyes, especially in backgrounds. Putting the lamp on high and changing DTM to High from Auto really helped a lot.
I agree with you, Dave. I watched The Mandalorian and a few minutes of A New Hope last night and found both incredibly dim using the Auto setting. I had to bump up to High to get a watchable picture, and even then found virtually no sense of "HDR" from either one.

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I thought the DTM handled the 4K HDR stream of The Mandalorian very well last night through an Apple TV and Gigabit internet. Using Auto and FBF.

This show is incredibly cinematic and the roughly 10 million dollar per episode is on full display. It is presented in 2.35 and takes advantage of that AR with some jaw dropping wide shots. I saw zero banding. But, I did see incredibly deep blacks. The detail was outstanding. I was very impressed and this is coming from someone who would buy a physical copy over streaming any day. So if you are looking for something worthy of your new JVC then give it a whirl.
I don't know where you're getting deep blacks in The Mandalorian. The show is mastered with the same elevated black levels and flattened contrast as other modern Star Wars properties. It may not look as poor as The Last Jedi, but it frankly wasn't far off from that, IMO.

The Atmos sounded good as far as aggressive channel usage, but had limited dynamic range per the Disney norm.
Wonder something screwy there going on hdr sdr in streaming source/material

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