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I can't understand all the hype about 8K on these small 65 to 88 inch screens at CES.
At the Sharp booth they had a REALLY cool Japanese festival shot in 8K and you could clearly make out the face and expression of a guy occupying 1" sq inch of screen on the bottom...(else where as well I suppose)

So you might not be able to see him well at 10' but he IS there and larger screens will make a difference. But to me 8K just shows they are stunning out of reasons to upgrade.

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8K will be sweet for computer monitors or other things in which you may want to get really close. I'd love one to view photos on.
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And here I thought AVS Forum was JVC QC
Not in the US. At least not this time.
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Absolutely pathetic performance for a TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLAR flagship SONY projector.
but the same on the JVC is ok

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Does anyone know the minimum throw ratio for the NX7?


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Does anyone know the minimum throw ratio for the NX7?


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I believe the manual says 1.37 but... on projection calculators...

For 89" (wide) you can go as low at 119" so if my math is right then it would 1.337. I think that may be due to 17:9 vs 16:9.
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I believe the manual says 1.37 but... on projection calculators...



For 89" (wide) you can go as low at 119" so if my math is right then it would 1.337. I think that may be due to 17:9 vs 16:9.


Ok thank you. I was trying to figure out the minimum was for 130” diagonal.


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Ok thank you. I was trying to figure out the minimum was for 130” diagonal.


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130" diagonal would put you between 12'10" (17:9) to 13'6" (16:9)
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That's because most of us are desperately waiting to become owners! I'm so sick of reading "Shipment Ready for UPS" after getting a tracking number 2 weeks ago!!! I'm ready!
Ditto That! Received my UPS tracking number on Jan 2 with estimated delivery on July 5 . . . still waiting for an update.

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but the same on the JVC is ok
I tolerate some flaws in $20.00 a bottle wine I wouldn't tolerate in $150.00 a bottle wine.
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Ditto That! Received my UPS tracking number on Jan 2 with estimated delivery on July 5 . . . still waiting for an update.
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I tolerate some flaws in $20.00 a bottle wine I wouldn't tolerate in $150.00 a bottle wine.


Except My $150 dollar bottle of wine is the Nx9 and yours is clearly not (btw love your pics of the 4500).

My point and perhaps the rolleyes emoji didn’t say it is the measurements seem to sometimes count and others not. If nothing else the data should always apply or we turn this into a subjective discussion
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Must be coming via pony express.

Craig, seriously. Are there any RS2000s in the US? Are any scheduled to be shipped to AVS this week?
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Please, please, please...let's not get into wine discussions again.
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Except My $150 dollar bottle of wine is the Nx9 and yours is clearly not (btw love your pics of the 4500).

My point and perhaps the rolleyes emoji didn’t say it is the measurements seem to sometimes count and others not. If nothing else the data should always apply or we turn this into a subjective discussion
I guess my point was some flaws are tolerated at lower price points, that become more irritating when paying 400% more and higher. That's all. I can't wait for these projector to ship, so the peanut gallery nitpick party can end. You'll all be too busy watching movies !
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So... I have several questions about this issue:
  • If the streaking is only horizontal, what contrast measurements do we get if we measure only vertically (if that makes sense)?
  • Is this streaking problem something JVC D-ILA has always had in the past, or is it new with the new 4k native lineup? Are they still working out the kinks of 4k D-ILA?
  • You say the JVC still subjectively beats the Sony projectors in dark movie scenes despite the fact that the JVC has horizontal streaking. Do you know why? Deeper blacks? I understand that measured performance does not always translate into subjective viewing performance, but I'm wondering what it is about the JVC that makes it subjectively better at dark scenes despite the poor contrast measurements.
I would like to just go forward with my NX7 pre-order and be happy with it despite the flaws, but I want to understand why I would think (or anybody would think) that the JVC performs best at contrast-intensive scenes despite having poor contrast measurements. I don't want to be one of those "JVC fanbois" I keep hearing about who just make excuses and live in denial. If there is an objective reason why the new NX lineup still outperforms Sony like previous JVC releases have, I want to know about it.
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What looks better and why does it look better? Despite the fact that JVC has lower contrast performance than the comparable Sony, it looks better because ________. I'm sure you're right that it does look better, I'm just wondering what objective feature contributes to that. When I pre-ordered it was my understanding that JVC's superior contrast and lower black floor were the key contributors to image quality.
We have abandoned the objective benchmarks of the past, in favor of subjective observations that defy the measured performance data.

The new units will be superior in many ways to the last eshift units, but contrast performance may not be one of them.

Why is that a problem? We knew that when we saw the specs announced.

Now we are seeing some actual data that shows there was no magic fairy dust that could over come the reality of the last gen eshift optical blocks remaining the pinnacle of on off contrast performance. Again, why is that a problem? JVC has work to do to improve performance of the new 4k panels and im sure that is exactly what they will do over the coming years. Just as jvc has done since the launch of the RS1 11 or so years ago.

All of these projectors produce great images, but the intellectual gymnastics on display to support a narrative that these new units must be better at everything? Really?

Next year will be just another rinse and repeat new product cycle, but let us not abandon our objective efforts to move the conversation above "it looks better to me."
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but the same on the JVC is ok
Absolutely not. At this point in time, at this price point, this level of performance is unacceptable no matter who the manufacturer is.
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We have abandoned the objective benchmarks of the past, in favor of subjective observations that defy the measured performance data.

The new units will be superior in many ways to the last eshift units, but contrast performance may not be one of them.

Why is that a problem? We knew that when we saw the specs announced.

Now we are seeing some actual data that shows there was no magic fairy dust that could over come the reality of the last gen eshift optical blocks remaining the pinnacle of on off contrast performance. Again, why is that a problem? JVC has work to do to improve performance of the new 4k panels and im sure that is exactly what they will do over the coming years. Just as jvc has done since the launch of the RS1 11 or so years ago.
Yes we all knew the contrast was not supposed to match that of the X790R or other projectors with higher advertised contrast ratings. Nobody is saying that JVC should have delivered beyond their advertised ratings. It is my understanding that the measurements taken by ARROW are below those that were advertised, and those taken by DJ Dee are higher than advertised. See the following quote:

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CONTRAST:

• My UNIT #1 measures contrast performance that is essentially identical as compared with a SEPTEMBER 2018 build PRE-PRODUCTION unit

• My UNIT #1 is measuring circa 18% BELOW JVC's specification regarding ON/OFF contrast performance; and circa 40% BELOW what is statistically the corresponding mean for the pre-existing eShift range for ANSI. @Dj Dee 's unit is measuring circa 26% ABOVE spec for ON/OFF and 14% BELOW for ANSI.

• We need more data points in order to obtain an understanding regarding what is typical. I myself will be measuring a further 4 units.
Is that not reason for some concern? Can I expect JVC's projectors to live up to their advertised contrast ratings like they have in the past?

I'm not saying the sky is falling. I just want to know what I should expect. We'll know more when we get more projectors in people's hands and get more measurements taken.

Why is that a problem?
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I can't wait until Arrow is back showing objective test results. These fuzzy subjective opinions don't give me much comfort on what I consider an extreme cost and/or risk on a new line of products. I don't have a history or knowledge of JVC projectors from the past. So I don't have a frame of reference to compare subjective opinions on past models. Actually I don't have any frame of reference for Sony projectors either. My entire knowledge is based on an older dead Epson projector. So I need objective information on these new 4k JVC projectors.
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I know the new projectors are defaulted to Low Latency ON.
What would make the image for film any better with Low Latency on rather than off?
What negatives could there be running Low Latency ON?

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I can't wait until Arrow is back showing objective test results. These fuzzy subjective opinions don't give me much comfort on what I consider an extreme cost and/or risk on a new line of products. I don't have a history or knowledge of JVC projectors from the past. So I don't have a frame of reference to compare subjective opinions on past models. Actually I don't have any frame of reference for Sony projectors either. My entire knowledge is based on an older dead Epson projector. So I need objective information on these new 4k JVC projectors.
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Why is that a problem?
Hi, Wombats. From reading Bytehoven's posts of late, I think he was siding with you and not against. He appears to be very focused on objective analysis of late and your post spoke to that.
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I know the new projectors are defaulted to Low Latency ON.
What would make the image for film any better with Low Latency on rather than off?
What negatives could there be running Low Latency ON?
Speaking for the 9900, I would leave it on since it seemed to dramatically reduce the sync times when it was on.

This is what the 9900 did on vs off. Extremely minimal sharpness hit, but I would probably leave it switched on since this wont be visible unless you do an image AB instantly like this.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/127946

I would think the new models behave very similarly or better, as in, no difference at all.
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I can't wait until Arrow is back showing objective test results. These fuzzy subjective opinions don't give me much comfort on what I consider an extreme cost and/or risk on a new line of products. I don't have a history or knowledge of JVC projectors from the past. So I don't have a frame of reference to compare subjective opinions on past models. Actually I don't have any frame of reference for Sony projectors either. My entire knowledge is based on an older dead Epson projector. So I need objective information on these new 4k JVC projectors.
Every model is different and you are 100% correct. You would not see me giving subjective opinions based on a product that no one in the USA has seen besides a prototype unit. Well see what Arrow has to say....... The 540U/790R is one hell of a machine and those are some big shoes to fill
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I know the new projectors are defaulted to Low Latency ON.
What would make the image for film any better with Low Latency on rather than off?
What negatives could there be running Low Latency ON?
Low latency is for gamers and it also helps with reduced sync time.
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Low latency is for gamers and it also helps with reduced sync time.


Dumb question time - Low latency is not the same thing as input lag, correct? Does either have an impact on the other?
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Dumb question time - Low latency is not the same thing as input lag, correct? Does either have an impact on the other?
Latency and input lag are the same thing... depending on who you are talking to. It's the amount of time between when a frame is sent to the projector and when you see it. Input lag probably more accurately reflects any delay between when you make an input and you see the result which isn't necessarily related to your display, but usually is.
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Finally got through this monster thread.

Question I have, currently I’m using an Oppo 203 with my RS420 to ‘tame’ the HDR.. I have the NX7 on order(February), will the 203 still need to do that?

Also finally stepping out of the entry level JVCs, will I see a huge difference from the 420/X570?

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Speaking for the 9900, I would leave it on since it seemed to dramatically reduce the sync times when it was on.

This is what the 9900 did on vs off. Extremely minimal sharpness hit, but I would probably leave it switched on since this wont be visible unless you do an image AB instantly like this.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/127946

I would think the new models behave very similarly or better, as in, no difference at all.
Technically what is Low Latency actually doing, what does JVC do to create it?
I would like to understand the technical side to ON vs OFF...

I wonder why JVC took so many years to create it, did they not think is was necessary?

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