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The lens is the same design, but manufacturing tolerances were tightened up and quality control improved. So the lens give a slight improvement in sharpness, particularly edge to edge sharpness.
@Mike Garrett Do you know approximately when the new lenses with better QC have been really used ? In other words does an N7 manufactured begin of May 2019 have a chance to have benefited from those better lenses ?

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Due to my short room, I am playing around with a mirror to increase my throw distance. I have a 20" x 20" x 3" recess on my back wall. I placed a mirror in this location. Since my mounting setup is so flexible, I just spun the projector around and moved projector closer to the screen. I now have a 1.52 throw distance to my screen. I did mount my A-lens back, so that I could compare against zooming. First picture is with a cheap mirror for testing. Second picture is with first surface mirror. Pictures are deceiving. The speakers are 3" from the ceiling. The back of the projector is about 9" from the ceiling. Back of the RS3000 is about 2'-4" closer to me in the picture. Now I have more options available to me, like going with a slightly larger screen and or adding a DCR lens.

This is such an awesome idea. Do you lose any quality in the picture by doing this?

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@Mike Garrett Do you know approximately when the new lenses with better QC have been really used ? In other words does an N7 manufactured begin of May 2019 have a chance to have benefited from those better lenses ?
Not Mike but, the improved lenses were introduced with the new models, not a mid cycle improvement.
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Not Mike but, the improved lenses were introduced with the new models, not a mid cycle improvement.
This is not what has been said end of last year ( begin of this year ? ) AFTER the release of the new N's, especially as the N5 and N7 have the same lens as the previous gen X9xxx / RSx4x projectors.

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This is not what has been said end of last year ( begin of this year ? ) AFTER the release of the new N's, especially as the N5 and N7 have the same lens as the previous gen X9xxx / RSx4x projectors.
Not sure what the confusion is. We have know all along before the N5/RS-1000 & N7/RS-2000 were even released that they are using the same lenses as the out going models. JVC just improved them by tightening up tolerances and better quality control.

If in fact they made another mid cycle change to the lenses in the newest models then it's news to me. I'll let Mike answer going forward.
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Not sure what the confusion is. We have know all along before the N5/RS-1000 & N7/RS-2000 were even released that they are using the same lenses as the out going models. JVC just improved them by tightening up tolerances and better quality control.

If in fact they made another mid cycle change to the lenses in the newest models then it's news to me. I'll let Mike answer going forward.
Indeed, i was under the impression that during the initial release fiasco with a lot of recalls they also discovered that the quality of the lenses was not up to expectations ( I remember the early tests of AV-Maniac and some others reporting that the exchanged units had a much better lens ).
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Hi all! I'm looking for some help with the DTM mode on an RS2000 that was just delivered yesterday.

All the picture modes look fantastic (right out of the box) except for the frame adapt HDR mode. For some reason it looks like the Gamma is through the roof and the picture is totally washed out. I'm looking for any suggestions on how to fix this. Here's the things I have tried so far:

1.) Used a different source (4k player and HTPC)
2.) Bypassed my receiver (and tried going through my receiver)
3.) Autocal using a Spyder 5 on 3 different picture modes (BT2020, 709, and HDR)
4.) Looked for a Gamma setting (it doesn't exist in this mode)
5.) Color filter on and off
6.) Lamp mode high and low

Any help is truly appreciated!
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Hi all! I'm looking for some help with the DTM mode on an RS2000 that was just delivered yesterday.

All the picture modes look fantastic (right out of the box) except for the frame adapt HDR mode. For some reason it looks like the Gamma is through the roof and the picture is totally washed out. I'm looking for any suggestions on how to fix this. Here's the things I have tried so far:

1.) Used a different source (4k player and HTPC)
2.) Bypassed my receiver (and tried going through my receiver)
3.) Autocal using a Spyder 5 on 3 different picture modes (BT2020, 709, and HDR)
4.) Looked for a Gamma setting (it doesn't exist in this mode)
5.) Color filter on and off
6.) Lamp mode high and low

Any help is truly appreciated!
There is no gamma setting, but you can change the HDR Level setting to Low (default Auto). See the instructions here:
https://www3.jvckenwood.com/english/...tup_manual.pdf

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@Mike Garrett Do you know approximately when the new lenses with better QC have been really used ? In other words does an N7 manufactured begin of May 2019 have a chance to have benefited from those better lenses ?
All of the RS1000/NX5 and RS2000/NX7 projectors have the upgraded lens. This was part of the design change, when JVC went to native 4K with the lamp based line.
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There is no gamma setting, but you can change the HDR Level setting to Low (default Auto). See the instructions here:
https://www3.jvckenwood.com/english/...tup_manual.pdf
Thanks, I forgot about that. I did try those settings as well. They don't seem to change the picture at all for me
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Thanks, I forgot about that. I did try those settings as well. They don't seem to change the picture at all for me
Is that for a specific movie or show? In general the HDR High/Medium/Low should make a huge difference.

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This is such an awesome idea. Do you lose any quality in the picture by doing this?
You lose a tiny bit of brightness.
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This is not what has been said end of last year ( begin of this year ? ) AFTER the release of the new N's, especially as the N5 and N7 have the same lens as the previous gen X9xxx / RSx4x projectors.
JVC made this change, withintrodution of the new models. Yes, it is same lens design, but manufacturing tolerances were tightened up and also QC was improved.
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Indeed, i was under the impression that during the initial release fiasco with a lot of recalls they also discovered that the quality of the lenses was not up to expectations ( I remember the early tests of AV-Maniac and some others reporting that the exchanged units had a much better lens ).
All of this is wrong information. JVC told us, long before the new models shipped that the lens had been improved and how they had been improved.
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Just curious....since because of my limitation of the distance I have to place my projector (12ft), I have to use zoom aspect to scale for anamorphic to fit my 113" diagonal (2.35:1) screen. Which is fine...but as we've established this zoom aspect doesn't work for 3D. Would having an anamorphic lens like the panamorph one for the JVC NX7/RS2000, fix this issue for me? It costs a lot and I'm not sure I can afford that..but just curious if that is a possible solution (albeit an expensive one).

EDIT: to further clarify, would the lense fix the issue of 3D anamorphic content not fully fitting my screen.

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Just curious....since because of my limitation of the distance I have to place my projector (12ft), I have to use zoom aspect to scale for anamorphic to fit my 113" diagonal (2.35:1) screen. Which is fine...but as we've established this zoom aspect doesn't work for 3D. Would having an anamorphic lens like the panamorph one for the JVC NX7/RS2000, fix this issue for me? It costs a lot and I'm not sure I can afford that..but just curious if that is a possible solution (albeit an expensive one).
Only the DCR lens has this limitation, since it uses full panel width, like the zoom function. If you used the regular Paladin, you would not have this restriction.
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JVC made this change, withintrodution of the new models. Yes, it is same lens design, but manufacturing tolerances were tightened up and also QC was improved.

Hello, Mike. Did JVC contract out/farm out the lens manufacturing to a different company/affiliate for the new-native 4K models?
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Hello, Mike. Did JVC contract out/farm out the lens manufacturing to a different company/affiliate for the new-native 4K models?
I do not know for sure, but I don't think so. I remember JVC telling me that the plant that made the lens for the RS400/500/600 was a new plant with the latest advanced equipment for lens manufacturing.
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I noticed a big step up in quality when I first fired up my RS-2000, but HDR was DRASTICALLY improved with the new firmware. And now that it's calibrated, any SDR or HDR content I watch is so good that can't imagine not being satisfied with the picture for a long time to come!
That is the key right there, wonder how they will top it next year ?
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Hi all! I'm looking for some help with the DTM mode on an RS2000 that was just delivered yesterday.

All the picture modes look fantastic (right out of the box) except for the frame adapt HDR mode. For some reason it looks like the Gamma is through the roof and the picture is totally washed out. I'm looking for any suggestions on how to fix this. Here's the things I have tried so far:

1.) Used a different source (4k player and HTPC)
2.) Bypassed my receiver (and tried going through my receiver)
3.) Autocal using a Spyder 5 on 3 different picture modes (BT2020, 709, and HDR)
4.) Looked for a Gamma setting (it doesn't exist in this mode)
5.) Color filter on and off
6.) Lamp mode high and low

Any help is truly appreciated!
Spoke to Chris @ JVC . He had me downgrade (to 2.1) and then upgrade (to 3.1) the firmware. All fixed up. Just posting in case anyone sees this issue in the future.
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Due to my short room, I am playing around with a mirror to increase my throw distance. I have a 20" x 20" x 3" recess on my back wall. I placed a mirror in this location. Since my mounting setup is so flexible, I just spun the projector around and moved projector closer to the screen. I now have a 1.52 throw distance to my screen. I did mount my A-lens back, so that I could compare against zooming. First picture is with a cheap mirror for testing. Second picture is with first surface mirror. Pictures are deceiving. The speakers are 3" from the ceiling. The back of the projector is about 9" from the ceiling. Back of the RS3000 is about 2'-4" closer to me in the picture. Now I have more options available to me, like going with a slightly larger screen and or adding a DCR lens.
I just got mine mounted an hour ago with a Navitar HDSSW08. It wasn't easy to get everything aligned with the recessed lens, but everything looks great now. I needed to get the back of the Navitar slightly inside the recession to get everything in focus. 135" @ 11' throw. Aligning the lens with the older line was much easier without the recessed lens. I'm guessing this set-up wouldn't work with an A-lens.
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I do not know for sure, but I don't think so. I remember JVC telling me that the plant that made the lens for the RS400/500/600 was a new plant with the latest advanced equipment for lens manufacturing.
Mike if u dont mind me asking, since ur one of the few of switched from a Z1 to NX9, how did u find the switch?

I m wanting to upgrade but i cant seem to justify the Z1 being almost double the price of the NX9 ( street prices ) , also the latest DTM is a game changer for me since i was about to get a radiance pro for everything other than my HTPC madVR, so if it is 80% their i m good with that.
So if the Z1 is that much better than i m going that route but if it is like 10-15% improvement for twice the price than i have to reconsider.
My screen will be 135inch 16:9 cima neve , completely treated room with black velvet.

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Just got my RS-2000 delivered and installed today!!! Long time waiting!! Unfortunately I will be out of town for a week, so no time to play around with it.
I have Kris Deering coming in Mid Dec to calibrate it, so just a few more weeks before it is all said and done!

In the meantime I need to figure out how to upload new firmware and how to work the Lens Zoom to 2.4 Scope.....a lot to learn.....



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Just got my RS-2000 delivered and installed today!!! Long time waiting!! Unfortunately I will be out of town for a week, so no time to play around with it.
I have Kris Deering coming in Mid Dec to calibrate it, so just a few more weeks before it is all said and done!

In the meantime I need to figure out how to upload new firmware and how to work the Lens Zoom to 2.4 Scope.....a lot to learn.....



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Hi all, I found the discrete IR code for my Pronto in this treat for the frame adapt mode. It works great! Are there also discrete codes for the settings low, medium and high?
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I just got mine mounted an hour ago with a Navitar HDSSW08. It wasn't easy to get everything aligned with the recessed lens, but everything looks great now. I needed to get the back of the Navitar slightly inside the recession to get everything in focus. 135" @ 11' throw. Aligning the lens with the older line was much easier without the recessed lens. I'm guessing this set-up wouldn't work with an A-lens.
The Navitar HDSSW08 is rated for 1080P content, not 4K content. That was the problem with my A-lens. It was costing me a tiny bit of sharpness and due to my short throw, also some contrast. The exit image was so large that I was getting some internal reflections. I lined the inside of my A-lens with scope liner and that helped reduce the reflections, so I was able to get some of the lost contrast back.
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Mike if u dont mind me asking, since ur one of the few of switched from a Z1 to NX9, how did u find the switch?

I m wanting to upgrade but i cant seem to justify the Z1 being almost double the price of the NX9 ( street prices ) , also the latest DTM is a game changer for me since i was about to get a radiance pro for everything other than my HTPC madVR, so if it is 80% their i m good with that.
So if the Z1 is that much better than i m going that route but if it is like 10-15% improvement for twice the price than i have to reconsider.
My screen will be 135inch 16:9 cima neve , completely treated room with black velvet.

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Lighter weight
Quieter

RS4500 advantages
Laser
Brighter
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All in all, I do not miss my 4500.
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I am a long time A-lens user. Since I removed the Prismasonic A-lens, I have been using lens memory. I will say, lens memory works very well, but after using an A-lens for many years, I find lens memory really annoying. Compared to an A-lens it is really slow. So slow that I am going to add the DCR lens to my system.
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Better contrast
DTM
DCR lens functions
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Quieter

RS4500 advantages
Laser
Brighter
Better sharpness, due I think to the processing or light path. (Something you would really only notice with test patterns
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How does one justify the price increase of a nx9 compared to an NX7 in regards to price/performance?
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How does one justify the price increase of a nx9 compared to an NX7 in regards to price/performance?
How do you justify a Mercedes over a Toyota? The 3000 is clearly a better projector, but like everything in life, paying double does not get you twice the performance.
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