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Frame Adapt HDR mode should only be used with HDR content. Anything else will immediately look awful using that mode. If the projector is not (yet) calibrated, "Natural" does the best job with SDR content.
Thanks for confirming that setting! Will the projector auto sense the HDR data and switch modes or do we have to switch back and forth manually all the time? Not a big deal but a lot to assimilate when you first get the unit set up. And it will be getting it calibrated, just breaking in the bulb and then looking for a good calibrator in SC.
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Thanks for confirming that setting! Will the projector auto sense the HDR data and switch modes or do we have to switch back and forth manually all the time? Not a big deal but a lot to assimilate when you first get the unit set up. And it will be getting it calibrated, just breaking in the bulb and then looking for a good calibrator in SC.
The projector should auto-detect the change from SDR to HDR or vice versa and automatically turn on the appropriate mode. However, some of us have found that it occasionally gets stuck in HDR and needs to be manually changed back to Natural. A small nuisance that doesn't occur very often.

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Any tips or tricks to dialing in the focus? Other than just the eyeball?

I wish there as a number or some indication of what the focus reading was. I feel like sometimes I hit the button and I'm not sure it did anything so then I keep hitting it and now we're out of focus so hard to land on the perfect spot it seems
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There's actually only a very a small difference in performance between a 1080TI and a 2080TI for madVR. The 1080TI can be had on craigslist for $400-$500 now. My daughter's boyfriend is building a gaming PC and I'm helping him. We just found him a used PC for $150 (i5, 8gb, 500gb ssd) and a 1080TI for $500. He's in $650. That thing would perform absolutely fantastic for madVR on par with what I run. There were several other similar PC deals for ~$125 instead of $150 but required driving another 20 min so we were out on those. I'm just saying that the costs for building these systems is not high. When it comes to high end video cards, I always lag a year behind and pick up used off craigslist. You get about in at about 40% of the price and can still nearly max performance.

I'll admit that maintaining a PC may not be for everyone. It does surprise me that there are plenty of folks that obviously have the necessary skills for it, though, and still discount the benefits sight unseen of madVR.
I will tell you what, everyone should learn how to build a PC as a kid, its pretty darn simple. Its like a car engine, when its done your like how does this thing run, such a simple design.....I have a spare desktop ready to roll if a main PC goes down. The only issues I seem to have is failing mother boards.....
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I was not doing a tease. I was saying the exact opposite. I would not be expecting a firmware update anytime soon. I have not heard of anything coming soon.
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Building and tending to PCs is Something I did As kid and many a time since ... and last one I put out on the nature strip for hard rubbish collection ... 😄 that’s how little a bar I want of a htpc in my setup. A setup I don’t just use on my very lonesome. Have a family and kids that use the setup. And a htpc is about an in appropriate an inclusion for them or me for that matter. Am over tending to them

Anyways dtm on jvc works and works flipping well for needs an not planning to go back to htpc (not appropriate in my setup I don’t use just on my lonesome) or will I be buying an envy or something it’s just too OTT

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Any tips or tricks to dialing in the focus? Other than just the eyeball?

I wish there as a number or some indication of what the focus reading was. I feel like sometimes I hit the button and I'm not sure it did anything so then I keep hitting it and now we're out of focus so hard to land on the perfect spot it seems [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/cool.gif[/IMG]
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Thanks for confirming that setting! Will the projector auto sense the HDR data and switch modes or do we have to switch back and forth manually all the time? Not a big deal but a lot to assimilate when you first get the unit set up. And it will be getting it calibrated, just breaking in the bulb and then looking for a good calibrator in SC.<img src="https://www.avsforum.com/forum/images/AVSForum/smilies/tango_face_grin.png" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />
The projector should auto-detect the change from SDR to HDR or vice versa and automatically turn on the appropriate mode. However, some of us have found that it occasionally gets stuck in HDR and needs to be manually changed back to Natural. A small nuisance that doesn't occur very often.
Indeed I had this once post dtm HDR update its behaved since &#x1f642;

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Any tips or tricks to dialing in the focus? Other than just the eyeball?

I wish there as a number or some indication of what the focus reading was. I feel like sometimes I hit the button and I'm not sure it did anything so then I keep hitting it and now we're out of focus so hard to land on the perfect spot it seems



Agreed. seems like about three button presses look the same and then boom, blurry. So, which of the three is the best? We are a finicky bunch around here for sure. New name.
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Sorry, I must have gotten you confused with someone else that was watching DVDs [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG] But the lumagen simply doesn't possess the horse power to turn 1080p video into something that looks more 4K than 1080p. It just doesn't. Its "scaling" is just that, scaling. MadVR is the only thing that I have ever seen that actually does what I consider "upscaling" not just "scaling". Where scaling makes your 1080p look good on a 4K display, upscaling makes 1080p look like 4K on your 4K display. The lumagen does great scaling. MadVR does great upscaling. Lumagen does not do great upscaling, sorry [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif[/IMG] It is great for the horsepower it has, though.

This is one area we are not in diminishing returns though. MadVR's upscaler is a true leap forward and a necessary improvement for anyone that has a native 4K display. I'm more interested to hear your opinion on this when you guys start selling ENVYs and have actually done this comparison yourself. You're in for a real treat. As I said before, I predict you own an ENVY in the future.
I do have a place I can stick the Envy - and due to it's size that certainly is important. It will be interesting if someone can set up identical systems - one with the Envy and one with the Lumagen, and compare. For now I'll just have to slum it with a Lumagen. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/redface.gif[/IMG]
I m going to have the Radiance pro delivered for me tomorrow hopefully, so ill be able to compare madVR and the Radiance pro directly from same sources.

I have to say though that madVR upscaling is really brilliant, i just couldnt believe my eyes that it wasnt 4k when i m watching 1080p, when i turned it off just to compare it looked ao blurry i was surprised howni thought 1080p looked good before. Once u see it u cant unsee it and go back to 1080p without it.

I ll make sure to be comparing this aspect and of course the DTM differnxe betweein both .
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I m going to have the Radiance pro delivered for me tomorrow hopefully, so ill be able to compare madVR and the Radiance pro directly from same sources.

I have to say though that madVR upscaling is really brilliant, i just couldnt believe my eyes that it wasnt 4k when i m watching 1080p, when i turned it off just to compare it looked ao blurry i was surprised howni thought 1080p looked good before. Once u see it u cant unsee it and go back to 1080p without it.

I ll make sure to be comparing this aspect and of course the DTM differnxe betweein both .
Might as well wait until the new Lumagen firmware is released to do the comparison - any day now.
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Maybe it’s just me but I find it hard to believe that mapping 1 pixel onto 4 pixels would look as good as 4 individual pixels. Of course, I know that viewing distance matters.
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New Brad Pitt Ad Astra 4k UHD has outstanding blacks - nice treat as numerous screen are space shots -
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But I just see the 2070 super is $509 on amazon prime and it probably is very similar in performance to a 1080ti so I guess I would recommend that unless you could snag the 1080ti for $400 range.
I bought a 2070 Super for $450 from Best Buy two weeks ago (10% discount for month of my birthday), just haven't had time to finish building this PC yet - bought the other bits in September! I'm interested in seeing if I'm leaving any performance on the table with my RS3000 + DCR combo compared to my Lumagen. Once I have it set up, anyone local would be welcome to compare.
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Blacks are great in that movie. Definitely a movie that excels on a JVC.
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There's actually only a very a small difference in performance between a 1080TI and a 2080TI for madVR. The 1080TI can be had on craigslist for $400-$500 now. My daughter's boyfriend is building a gaming PC and I'm helping him. We just found him a used PC for $150 (i5, 8gb, 500gb ssd) and a 1080TI for $500. He's in $650. That thing would perform absolutely fantastic for madVR on par with what I run. There were several other similar PC deals for ~$125 instead of $150 but required driving another 20 min so we were out on those. I'm just saying that the costs for building these systems is not high. When it comes to high end video cards, I always lag a year behind and pick up used off craigslist. You get about in at about 40% of the price and can still nearly max performance.

I'll admit that maintaining a PC may not be for everyone. It does surprise me that there are plenty of folks that obviously have the necessary skills for it, though, and still discount the benefits sight unseen of madVR.
Agree you can get a cheap PC but most of the time you will need to upgrade the power supply to handle a 1080Ti. And sometimes the case needs an extra fan. Minor things, though.
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I assume that with a good PC and that RS3000 you'll be able to watch 8k content off of Youtube if you have fast internet. I think HDMI 2.0 can do 8k/30P? There is a decent amount of high quality 8k on youtube.

IIRC, the RS3000 does not accept an 8K feed



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Ok first “quirk or handshake” . After watching tv and trying to switch to the blue ray player to connect to Netflix and I get a no input and blue screen. I opened and closed the disc drawer and the movie started and popped the signal but for some reason it is not registering the home page of the DVD player. It was working yesterday? Any ideas? UB900 player

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Ok first “quirk or handshake” . After watching tv and trying to switch to the blue ray player to connect to Netflix and I get a no input and blue screen. I opened and closed the disc drawer and the movie started and popped the signal but for some reason it is not registering the home page of the DVD player. It was working yesterday? Any ideas? UB900 player


It happens to me sometimes with the Panasonic and the av8805. I just switch to another input and then back and it’s all good.

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Ok first &#226;€œquirk or handshake&#226;€ . After watching tv and trying to switch to the blue ray player to connect to Netflix and I get a no input and blue screen. I opened and closed the disc drawer and the movie started and popped the signal but for some reason it is not registering the home page of the DVD player. It was working yesterday? Any ideas? UB900 player

It happens to me sometimes with the Panasonic and the av8805. I just switch to another input and then back and it&#226;€&#x2122;&#xfe0f;s all good.
Yeah I tried that and it wasn’t helping unfortunately

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I have a RS3000 paired with a DCR lens. When I choose Anamorphic C Mode, the projector should be displaying full 4K4096 horizontal resolution, why am I still seeing 3840 resolution from the projector output info? Anybody could answer this although it might be a dump question. &#x1f61b;
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I have a RS3000 paired with a DCR lens. When I choose Anamorphic C Mode, the projector should be displaying full 4K4096 horizontal resolution, why am I still seeing 3840 resolution from the projector output info? Anybody could answer this although it might be a dump question. 😛


The projector never shows the output info. It only shows the input signal info.
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I m going to have the Radiance pro delivered for me tomorrow hopefully, so ill be able to compare madVR and the Radiance pro directly from same sources.
I have just done exactly this.... You will appreciate madVR even more once you do the same....
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Hello all, joined the club and got my NX5 over the weekend. Installed the 3.1 firmware with no issues but still working through all the settings for the best basic image and have a few questions.


Are you using frame adapt mode for all viewing or only HDR source material? On an uncalibrated display out of the box what is preferred mode for standard bluray and video games?


I installed my projector on a stand for the first day while I waited for my interface plate to arrive. (You just can't leave it in a box right?) I had no issues getting a perfect square image set up easily while the projector was right side up. Last night I mounted it upside down and for the life of me I can't get the upper right corner square. Only the upper right side corner is in about 1/2" to 3/4" maybe? All three other corners are square. Not noticeable on content but my OCD requires I get it perfect. Only my second projector but never had trouble squaring an image before. Flat even top and bottom, even left side vertically, only the right side line slopes in to the left as it goes up the screen. Whats the deal?

Edit: One more piece of info. When installed right side up the lens was pretty much centered on the screen. Inverted, ceiling mount the lens is near the top of the screen so a good bit of lens shift is required to bring the image down. I suspect the lens shift is causing the slight image issue? Just my guess.

So far love the image, thanks for any insight.
Upper right corner is not square. Rotate projector clockwise (if standing behind the projector facing the screen) slightly so that the top two corners are now slightly short. Now raise the projector up pointing at the small edge on the top, lens shift the image down, and repeat until square.

Always rotate the image so you have a trapezoid. Point projector at smaller of the sides, and lens shift back into place.

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I'm sure it works fantastic. And I saw the Envy at Cedia, which also looked to be amazing - no doubt. By the same token, you shouldn't poo poo what the Lumagen can do. For those of us that don't want to deal with a HTPC, it does work extremely well. Back to JVC topics now.
Definitely not poo pooing the lumagen. But in the area of upscaling, nothing comes close to madVR. It's a pretty significant improvement. I still watch mostly 1080p source content. If I didn't have madVR I'd probably have kept my RS640 to be honest.

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Forgive my ignorance so are you saying I’m getting 100% of the signal I should be? Where does the 60fps signal come in? Or does it. Stuff is so damn confusing lol
4K60 also is great for games.

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I have just done exactly this.... You will appreciate madVR even more once you do the same....
So maybe you can give your impressions of upscaling via madVR NGU vs lumagen's anti-ring No comparison right? I think Lumagen's upscaler is a basic bicubic with some anti-ring logic.

MadVR's NGU upscaler was trained via A/I using thousands of native 4K images. They were downscaled to 1080p, then the A/I algorithms trained themselves uspcaling and comparing the upscaled 4k to the original 4k. Pretty incredible.
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I have just done exactly this....[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG] You will appreciate madVR even more once you do the same....[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
So maybe you can give your impressions of upscaling via madVR NGU vs lumagen's anti-ring [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG] No comparison right? I think Lumagen's upscaler is a basic bicubic with some anti-ring logic.

MadVR's NGU upscaler was trained via A/I using thousands of native 4K images. They were downscaled to 1080p, then the A/I algorithms trained themselves uspcaling and comparing the upscaled 4k to the original 4k. Pretty incredible.
Why don’t you give us your impressions as I’m sure you have compared both of them together.
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