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Wholly crap...watched some 4k60 content last night...Does 4k60 really highlight what these pj's are capable of???? Bright, detailed, 3D like...Man o man...
Please tell us exactly which movies you were watching that were so effective. You have my attention !! Thanks !
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Please tell us exactly which movies you were watching that were so effective. You have my attention !! Thanks !
It is 4K Gemini Man...some will love it some will hate it but it is a great demo disc to showcase the JVC capabilities

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You'll be sure to let us know when you can get a free JVC RS2000 or RS3000 with the purchase of a spare lamp. Free projectors are a good thing!
Right now - but it's going to be a really pricey lamp ! Seriously, at an average price over $ 550.00, getting a free spare lamp is not a bad thing.
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It is 4K Gemini Man...some will love it some will hate it but it is a great demo disc to showcase the JVC capabilities
Seems like a lot of folks hate the frame rate on this - and hate the movie !
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1500 lumens like you said. Unfortunately, I do not think anyone has that data. In the old days, I would have said on a good model about 1000 hours, on a model with a bad ballast and poor cooling design not long at all. If these newer JVC's can maintain the same lamp life as the current ones, you could lose very little brightness to 2000 hours, so you will be good there I think.

In a purely darkened room, you really don't absolutely need more than 12-14 fL, sure you lose quite a bit of that HDR POP, but then the dark scenes and space scenes look better until your next lamp replacement. Plus you can always use lamp HIGH just for some stuff if you want.
Mine is about 20% down at 800 hours (rs540). But that's 800 hours over 2 years. I tend to only watch stuff for an hour or 2 most days, so quite a few cycles probably compared to others that may leave it on for longer periods of time. That was all low lamp though.
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I don't buy Apple products either, don't own the ATV4k, just heard it was better, have the Roku 4k Premiere (I think). Apple store tried to get someone I know to spend $300 on a keyboard to fix one key, it cost $5 to order the key online.
BTW Amazon sells an ethernet adapter for $15 if you can't get the wifi to stream UHD reliably.
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Seems like a lot of folks hate the frame rate on this - and hate the movie !
I’m not commenting so much on frame rate but more 4K clarity, detail and brightness...

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Right now - but it's going to be a really pricey lamp ! Seriously, at an average price over $ 550.00, getting a free spare lamp is not a bad thing.
Free is free, but I know when its time for a replacement, I will just do the bulb for about a fifth of that price......

>>> How to replace bare bulbs <<<

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I&#226;€&#x2122;&#xfe0f;d recommend the NX. Watching 4K discs and streaming 4K is solid. Never seen a better picture.
As far as I am concerned Blu-ray will be like the way of dvd. 4K is the future. I watch a lot of streaming and the 4K streams are solid on the NX series.
Curious...what would look better (same movie) of 4K streaming OR 2K Blu-Ray disc ? Close ??
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Free is free, but I know when its time for a replacement, I will just do the bulb for about a fifth of that price......

>>> How to replace bare bulbs <<<

@Dominic Chan is the man
The bare bulbs out there aren't always nearly as bright as factory ones for some reason. I used to do the bare bulb thing for my Sim Lumis. I think manufacturers get special vetted bulbs - the best / brightest ones. Talked to someone else yesterday that put a new not OEM lamp in a projector - and it's not any brighter than the one it's replacing for some reason.

I'm not referring to Dominic's bulbs - I don't know anything about them - just FYI.
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Curious...what would look better (same movie) of 4K streaming OR 2K Blu-Ray disc ? Close ??
A proper source of streaming 4K will beat 2k Blu-ray. I have seen some incredible 4K streaming on Netflix.
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The bare bulbs out there aren't always nearly as bright as factory ones for some reason. I used to do the bare bulb thing for my Sim Lumis. I think manufacturers get special vetted bulbs - the best / brightest ones. Talked to someone else yesterday that put a new not OEM lamp in a projector - and it's not any brighter than the one it's replacing for some reason.

I'm not referring to Dominic's bulbs - I don't know anything about them - just FYI.
He uses, what JVC uses from the factory........ Ushio NSHA250JK.

---Sounds like you tried one bare bulb, guess you should have returned it as it may have been defective. In order to run a true test you would have to order 10 bulbs from the manufacturer and then ten bulbs from whom ever, then test them. You can not just test one manufacturer and one from someone else to have a fair evaluation...... Looks like Dominic's has sold more then a few bulbs with no complaints........
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He uses, what JVC uses from the factory........ Ushio NSHA250JK
I used exactly what SIM2 used from the factory too. Still seemed to vary a lot more, but they were cheaper.
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Please tell us exactly which movies you were watching that were so effective. You have my attention !! Thanks !
Not a movie, but Brittania looks good at times, I'm not getting HDR mode on it but I don't care that much, I'm getting it in 4k though.
Witcher looked good, but there are some shots in Brittania that are quite mind blowing when it comes to the clarity.
The show itself is very strange though, at least at first.

I wonder how much of what I'm seeing is just the camera they used vs. the actual resolution though, don't have time to test that right now.
Scared to test anything anymore because I'm often not as gung-ho with my conclusions as others.
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Given the positive feedback on the DTM have opinions changed on the how big of a screen you can run with a JVC? I have a 150" white screen, dark walls and ceiling in a media room that I watch about 1/2 sports and 1/2 movies on. I had a chance to demo an Epson 4010 and even using the Panasonic 420 I was able to get what I considered to be a plenty bright screen in the digital cinema mode which of course engages the filter. I think by most measurements it has come in around 1,000...ish lumens. On content not coming through the Panasonic it was too dark but throw in the 420 and adjust the brightness and the lid came off. What I don't know (I don't have a light meter) is whether the Panasonic was somehow lifting the lid off the 1,000 lumens and pushing it past that or was my perception altered by the tone mapping of the 420 and it was still putting out 1,000 lumens. Either way I was impressed but I simply don't know what I was seeing. Needless to say the JVC should come in around 1,500 lumens which is a sizable jump from digital cinema on an Epson 4010. Is a JVC suitable for 150" with it's upgrade or is the Epson 5050 still the better choice simply because of the lumens. All opinions welcome on this one. Unfortunately I don't know how to "demo" a JVC so that solution is probably out.
I think the JVC will be the better choice than the Epson for sure. Even in low lamp you'll get around 1200-1300 lumens in some cases 1400 if you get a lucky bulb.

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The bare bulbs out there aren't always nearly as bright as factory ones for some reason. I used to do the bare bulb thing for my Sim Lumis. I think manufacturers get special vetted bulbs - the best / brightest ones. Talked to someone else yesterday that put a new not OEM lamp in a projector - and it's not any brighter than the one it's replacing for some reason.

I'm not referring to Dominic's bulbs - I don't know anything about them - just FYI.
Dominic's loose bulbs are good. I've used them and they are on par with JVC's stock bulbs. By the way, JVC's stock bulbs are extremely hit and miss as well. I bought an RS640 from Mike and it was only outputting 1015 lumens low lamp, 1500 lumens high lamp. Mike said that it is a well known fact that the RS640 line had lower lumens than the RS600 line even though the RS640 was rated 1900 lumens and RS600 rated 1800 lumens. I knew that didn't sound right so I replaced the bulb and immediately got 1400 lumens low lamp, 1800 lumens high lamp.

I know dealers like to keep saying things from the marketing material to explain why you should spend $600 on a JVC lamp. But honestly, its just not true. The JVC lamps are just as much a risk as buying a *proper* loose lamp. I paid about $125 for each loose lamp. I could have bought 4 of those for 1 JVC bulb.
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I've got a questionable bulb on the RS-420 right now (official from JVC). Same thing, it's about 1000 lumens in low, give or take. However, that's not my complaint, complaint is the bulb is pulsing. I first noticed this weird 1/2 second every minute modulation pulse in my HTPC desktop, but then after 100 hours the bulb started to develop flicker. I set the bulb on high for 2 hours, it reduced the flicker but didn't eliminate it entirely.

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Dominic's loose bulbs are good. I've used them and they are on par with JVC's stock bulbs. By the way, JVC's stock bulbs are extremely hit and miss as well. I bought an RS640 from Mike and it was only outputting 1015 lumens low lamp, 1500 lumens high lamp. Mike said that it is a well known fact that the RS640 line had lower lumens than the RS600 line even though the RS640 was rated 1900 lumens and RS600 rated 1800 lumens. I knew that didn't sound right so I replaced the bulb and immediately got 1400 lumens low lamp, 1800 lumens high lamp.



I know dealers like to keep saying things from the marketing material to explain why you should spend $600 on a JVC lamp. But honestly, its just not true. The JVC lamps are just as much a risk as buying a *proper* loose lamp. I paid about $125 for each loose lamp. I could have bought 4 of those for 1 JVC bulb.


That’s good to hear. I’m glad his bulbs are good. I’ve bought my my share of expensive lamps - Sim2’s lamps aren’t cheap even at dealer cost. Beware some of the cheap lamps floating around the internet though.

I don’t have a dog in this fight. Nobody* makes any money selling lamps. They are hardly worth the time. The sooner everything is solid state the better.

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Except the bulb recyclers buying from govt. throw-away, I'm sure they are making plenty. I've mentioned this before, but there are a bunch of dishonest people "recycling" bulbs under the pretense that they can be restored. I still laugh every time I read that page from that recycler's site about how the bulbs can be restored to original working condition, except for the one minor point about them not being nearly as bright anymore - failing quicker - and maybe not even working.

These are huge operations with these recyclers buying hundreds, even thousands of lamps at once. I imagine some of the govt offices send them to a central location to be sold off or thrown out. It's mainly a problem with DLP lamps, because most of the DLP projectors have a business cousin that uses the same or similar lamp.

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You'll be sure to let us know when you can get a free JVC RS2000 or RS3000 with the purchase of a spare lamp. Free projectors are a good thing!
All dealers will offer that deal right now, but man is that lamp expensive.
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That’s good to hear. I’m glad his bulbs are good. I’ve bought my my share of expensive lamps - Sim2’s lamps aren’t cheap even at dealer cost. Beware some of the cheap lamps floating around the internet though.

I don’t have a dog in this fight. Nobody* makes any money selling lamps. They are hardly worth the time. The sooner everything is solid state the better.

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I bought one recently from him. It isn't quite as bright as my original, but pretty close and my original lamp measured 1960 lumens doing a 9 point measurement, so it was a fairly high bar probably. The bare lamp is about 1800.

For me the big upside is using high lamp anytime I like and just tossing the lamp after a few months or a year maybe. I wanted to be able to do SDR/low, HDR/high and not move the lamp iris back and forth (or very little at least).

OTOH, before that, I bought one off of Amazon just for grins ($84) and it was total crap. High lamp was about the same as low lamp on my original (with 800 hrs on it)! And it faded fast. Must have been a fake.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

That's my review on the Amazon site.
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He uses, what JVC uses from the factory........ Ushio NSHA250JK.

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This is actually a great benefit, hopefully they never dry up. I went through 9 bulbs on the last JVC RS-45 (no fun).
Compared to my old projector, I basically am using a LASER projector, if you go by bulb reliability from then to now.
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Dominic's loose bulbs are good. I've used them and they are on par with JVC's stock bulbs. By the way, JVC's stock bulbs are extremely hit and miss as well. I bought an RS640 from Mike and it was only outputting 1015 lumens low lamp, 1500 lumens high lamp. Mike said that it is a well known fact that the RS640 line had lower lumens than the RS600 line even though the RS640 was rated 1900 lumens and RS600 rated 1800 lumens. I knew that didn't sound right so I replaced the bulb and immediately got 1400 lumens low lamp, 1800 lumens high lamp.

I know dealers like to keep saying things from the marketing material to explain why you should spend $600 on a JVC lamp. But honestly, its just not true. The JVC lamps are just as much a risk as buying a *proper* loose lamp. I paid about $125 for each loose lamp. I could have bought 4 of those for 1 JVC bulb.
A well known fact? I know that several people on the forum said they were getting lower lumens with x40 series vs x00 series. I did not have any info from JVC saying the lumens were lower?
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A well known fact? I know that several people on the forum said they were getting lower lumens with x40 series vs x00 series. I did not have any info from JVC saying the lumens were lower?
Was just going by how I remember our discussion going. I found it unbelievable that the x40 series had generally lower lumens than the x00 series. I believe that the problem was just the batches of recent bulbs sucked more. I think this was proven true when bulbs were swapped and lumens went back up.

Anyways, my point wasn't to attack you. It was to state that JVC's stock bulbs are just as hit-and-miss as buying a proper, new, loose bulb.

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A high-roller like yourself has no worries about lamp costs...

Buying these projectors might mean letting my dog starve next month, luckily I don't actually own any pets.
Amex sure makes it tempting with a 0% APR "plan-it" thing they are doing for 12 months, for only $3k month I can have an RS-4500.

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... I know dealers like to keep saying things from the marketing material to explain why you should spend $600 on a JVC lamp. But honestly, its just not true. The JVC lamps are just as much a risk as buying a *proper* loose lamp...
If JVC could get their lamps down to around $250 with a one year warranty, I would find that a good value. I would rather have a backup lamp ready to go, in case of failure, plus ease of replacement instead of having to do the bulb shuffle any day.
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I bought one recently from him. It isn't quite as bright as my original, but pretty close and my original lamp measured 1960 lumens doing a 9 point measurement, so it was a fairly high bar probably. The bare lamp is about 1800.

For me the big upside is using high lamp anytime I like and just tossing the lamp after a few months or a year maybe. I wanted to be able to do SDR/low, HDR/high and not move the lamp iris back and forth (or very little at least).

OTOH, before that, I bought one off of Amazon just for grins ($84) and it was total crap. High lamp was about the same as low lamp on my original (with 800 hrs on it)! And it faded fast. Must have been a fake.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

That's my review on the Amazon site.
You must have gotten the Economy version and not the Platinum

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You must have gotten the Economy version and not the Platinum

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I bought one when they had the price drop. Hope they didn't send me the cheap one.
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If JVC could get their lamps down to around $250 with a one year warranty, I would find that a good value. I would rather have a backup lamp ready to go, in case of failure, plus ease of replacement instead of having to do the bulb shuffle any day.
Buy one stock jvc bulb and hold it. When you use it, buy a loose lamp and put in housing of old bulb then set that on the storage shelf for next time all ready to go.

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I am really wondering if there is a big enough market to even make fake lamps. This Ushio NSHA250JK is used in a limited number of projectors. I am guessing that the big difference is in manufacturing batches with some being better than others. We have seen differences even with the original JVC's. It seems that it is "luck of the draw." That being said it does pay to get the bare lamps from Dominic C. rather than from Amazon for a few dollars more. At least you will know that A forum member is behind them.
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