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I prefer 50-70% to the back of the range.

Closer is brighter in theory, but you have to zoom more, which hurts resolution, contrast, and even lessens the brightness advantage. Plus, it's louder because it's probably closer to your head.

Further back, it's a tighter image without all the zoom, so your resolution and contrast are more intact, and brightness is still good because you're not "spreading" the image so wide through the immediate lens.

That's always made the most sense to me. YMMV
Resolution does not change. Closer brighter, lower native but max dynamic contrast. Farther, dimmer, higher native, but lower dynamic contrast. Theory is image should be sharper at long throw, because the exit image leaving the lens is smaller, using more of the sweet spot of the lens. Counter theory is the image is smaller at long throw, so any imperfection in the lens is hit by more pixels. In truth, the contrast does not change enough to make a real difference, but a 25% decrease in light output can make a pretty good difference. Personally if you are going to do HDR, I would mount at short throw.
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I have been provided a link that is for the NX line regarding the free lamp
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I have been provided a link that is for the NX line regarding the free lamp
That's good news! Can you share it?

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http://assets.jvc.com/Procision/2019...ebate_form.pdf
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Universal box yes <<<Click Here >>>, universal mount probably not without fabrication of a 1/2" or 3/4" piece of plywood. Bolt into the projector then bolt into the mount, all set. The mount that work are the RPA281 and RPMA281 with one of these plates SLB281, SLM281.
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The PRGUNV worked on the last gen JVC projectors and the bolt pattern didn't change (as far as I know), why would you need to fabricate something for it to fit?
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Hi Arrow, are you back?

I had posed a question a few days ago asking about your testing and comparison of the NX9 vs. NX7. My questions related to the 8k eshift system in the 9 that even when turned off as possibly affecting the overall performance of the 9. Then does this affect the 9 vs. the 7. That perhaps the lens in the 9 might not have an actual perceived performance over the 7 because of the eshift components always being present.

Will you be able to test for this possible performance issue?

The second part of my question is whether or not there is any real performance advantage regarding the rest of the performance measurements comparing the two projectors. I know value is subjective vs. objective, but in terms of on screen performance, I'd hope there would be a way of testing those performance aspects and reporting what you find.

I don't have a trained eye for this and don't have any history of owning any of these high cost projectors to compare too. So basically I'm blind and have to rely on other's expert opinions regarding these projectors. I'm reading and following these forum posts to guide me to an objective decision. I don't need bragging rights with a purchase of the 9 over the 7 if I determine there isn't enough value or performance for the extra cost/price difference even with pre-order pricing.

So if you are ready to dive back in, please do so. I'm waiting with bated breath for your opinion and others who have experience with these projectors and testing parameters.
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Resolution does not change. Closer brighter, lower native but max dynamic contrast. Farther, dimmer, higher native, but lower dynamic contrast. Theory is image should be sharper at long throw, because the exit image leaving the lens is smaller, using more of the sweet spot of the lens. Counter theory is the image is smaller at long throw, so any imperfection in the lens is hit by more pixels. In truth, the contrast does not change enough to make a real difference, but a 25% decrease in light output can make a pretty good difference. Personally if you are going to do HDR, I would mount at short throw.
Screen size is also a HUGE player in that equation. I stay at a 110-inch screen from 11 feet for that very reason, throwing the image from 17 feet.

With a 1.3 gain screen (ST130), and +1 or +2 on the dynamic slider on the ub820, I'm getting about 37 fL from my rs620. Very bright.

If I was trying to do a 150 inch screen, I'd lose a ton of brightness. Plus, that screen width would push the minimum throw to almost where I am right now.

Tons of relativity to this discussion, depending on what each person's likes and goals are.

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JVC Japan has just updated the marketing blurb for the new projectors to include a new section on Auto-tone mapping in conjunction with the new Panasonic DP-UB 9000 UHD player. This player is basically a 820 in an oppo like case.

Essentially the Japanese text says that there are two new settings on the Panasonic player, High bright Projector (emphasizes highlights) and basic bright Projector (emphasizes color reproduction) that are designed to specifically work in conjunction with JVC auto tone mapping.

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Decoding what this means I would guess than the Panasonic player sends meta data to the JVC when these modes are on which results in correct settings in the JVC so it doesn't screw things up..


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The title implies this, but it is unclear in the blurb if it means that that the Auto tone mapping in the JVC was developed in conjunction with Panasonic (ie same algorithm when dealing with HDR10) or the settings in the Panasonic was developed to work with the JVC (I'm guessing the later) it is possible I guess that the Panasonic can use HDR10+ and maybe DV metadata to further improve the tone mapping)
Because of the nature of the JVC auto tone mapping, it will have difficulty with anything that doesn't have proper metadata, which is actually a pretty high number of titles. The Panasonic player, when put in the modes they state, actually changes the metadata to a static number that stays the same for ALL titles you play back. It then takes care of the tone mapping above that point so the JVC would have very little to do and less chance of it tripping up. I doubt this was done in conjunction with Panasonic, but I will inquire more about it when I start my review.

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I have a UB9000 here at the house already, so easy to test. And it already has to two projector modes available. I will read the metadata on it this weekend.

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JVC is spending extra time doing QC on these as they enter the US, to make sure they are all dialed in 100%. I think that's taking a bit of time. I don't think the distributor adds more than a day or two delay. If that.
How do I get on the list for non dialed in so my order can be shipped? I dont know what they are doing unless they are checking each transistor and IC is up to spec.
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The PRGUNV worked on the last gen JVC projectors and the bolt pattern didn't change (as far as I know), why would you need to fabricate something for it to fit?
The quote I responded to said a "universal" mount, many universal mounts do not work, most is not everyone of them If it works great, if not fabricate or buy another.
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The quote I responded to said a "universal" mount, many universal mounts do not work, most is not everyone of them If it works great, if not fabricate or buy another.
Yeah you had to go back one more quote from that and he had mentioned the PRGUNV, you have to have seen Inception now to answer questions, you must go deeper!
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I have a UB9000 here at the house already, so easy to test. And it already has to two projector modes available. I will read the metadata on it this weekend.
hi kris, we have a panasonic ub9000 thread where i am sure any insights on the player you can share there people would be very interested in. we already have people there wondering about the new projector modes. and also I suspect application beyond the current/new JVCs

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With dynamic dimming, from Kris Deering:

"For my calibrated viewing (17 fL) using the laser in mid power, aperture at -8, near long throw and with the dynamic dimming activated in mode 2:

0=67K:1
1%=20K:1
2%=10K:1
3%=6300:1
4%=3500:1"
FYI I think Kris indicated that these measurements were all done *before* the v1.24 firmware came out and the dimming was so dramatically improved. 0 at 67K:1 would be a hard pass for me.

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I have a UB9000 here at the house already, so easy to test. And it already has to two projector modes available. I will read the metadata on it this weekend.
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It's been my experience that the more the image can be projected through the center portion of the lens, the better resolution and contrast I get....to a point obviously. And I also see more uniformity of light across the entirety of the screen as a result. Projectors seem to have to "flex" less when you position them in the middle of their throw range.

On another note, much like rear speakers in a 7.1 sound phenomenon, our ears aren't designed to hear behind us in a room full of noise, so getting that projector behind your head makes the projector audibly disappear from the room.
Zoom won't impact resolution. It only impacts brightness and contrast to some degree.

I'd always try to get as close to max zoom as possible. You can gain back the lost contrast, if you notice it at all, by clamping the iris to the level where the brightness would be if you were further back. But you can never gain back those lost lumens if you're too far back.
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Like all zoom lenses, the performance will change throughout the range although this may not be noticeable for most content.
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In other words, nothing definitive . . . my Panamorph is getting lonely.


I've been letting my panamorph DCR date an Epson in meantime. Offspring is a bit distorted, but surprising better looking results than if I had kept them locked up in separate rooms.


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. . . or two (2) separate flush-mounted from the ceiling, motorized screens: one a 16:9 and the other a 135:1 or 140:1. I'm considering installing a second screen in my media room to accomplish such.
That’s my solution with inspiration from Mr. Peer. I have a 75” TV for 60 Minutes and Stephen Colbert, and have separate 1.78:1 and 2.35:1 drop down screens for streaming and movies. Works well for me. My only mistake was going 2.35 instead of 2.40 for my scope screen.
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Hi Arrow, are you back?

I had posed a question a few days ago asking about your testing and comparison of the NX9 vs. NX7. My questions related to the 8k eshift system in the 9 that even when turned off as possibly affecting the overall performance of the 9. Then does this affect the 9 vs. the 7. That perhaps the lens in the 9 might not have an actual perceived performance over the 7 because of the eshift components always being present.

Will you be able to test for this possible performance issue?

The second part of my question is whether or not there is any real performance advantage regarding the rest of the performance measurements comparing the two projectors. I know value is subjective vs. objective, but in terms of on screen performance, I'd hope there would be a way of testing those performance aspects and reporting what you find.

I don't have a trained eye for this and don't have any history of owning any of these high cost projectors to compare too. So basically I'm blind and have to rely on other's expert opinions regarding these projectors. I'm reading and following these forum posts to guide me to an objective decision. I don't need bragging rights with a purchase of the 9 over the 7 if I determine there isn't enough value or performance for the extra cost/price difference even with pre-order pricing.

So if you are ready to dive back in, please do so. I'm waiting with bated breath for your opinion and others who have experience with these projectors and testing parameters.
I'm crazy busy for the next few days or so, so will only be periodically popping in and out of the forum

I am informed by JVC that I should be receiving delivery of my first JVC RS2000/NX7/N7 unit within the next 10 days, hopefully next week. Following which I will be carrying out an in-depth evaluation of the JVC RS2000/NX7/N7 both in itself and as directly compared versus the RS3000/NX9

And yes, I will be make a particular point of comparing key aspects including the comparative lens and optics performance, as well as the full extent regarding what the eShift 8K is doing or not doing etc.

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That’s my solution with inspiration from Mr. Peer. I have a 75” TV for 60 Minutes and Stephen Colbert, and have separate 1.78:1 and 2.35:1 drop down screens for streaming and movies. Works well for me. My only mistake was going 2.35 instead of 2.40 for my scope screen.
Since I already have my 110" 16x9, that is also a thought I'm having. Buying a drop down 240...maybe with a black case and it would serve to block my white crown molding.

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Screen size is also a HUGE player in that equation. I stay at a 110-inch screen from 11 feet for that very reason, throwing the image from 17 feet.



With a 1.3 gain screen (ST130), and +1 or +2 on the dynamic slider on the ub820, I'm getting about 37 fL from my rs620. Very bright.



If I was trying to do a 150 inch screen, I'd lose a ton of brightness. Plus, that screen width would push the minimum throw to almost where I am right now.



Tons of relativity to this discussion, depending on what each person's likes and goals are.

Hmmm.

I’m gonna be rolling an RS2000. 123 inch ST130, using an 820.

Throwing an image from 13 feet 6 inches sitting 10 feet away. I’d imagine it’s going to be pretty bright.
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hi kris, we have a panasonic ub9000 thread where i am sure any insights on the player you can share there people would be very interested in. we already have people there wondering about the new projector modes. and also I suspect application beyond the current/new JVCs



I'll cross post your note here for the moment so people are atleast aware of your upcoming explorations


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Hmmm.

I’m gonna be rolling an RS2000. 123 inch ST130, using an 820.

Throwing an image from 13 feet 6 inches sitting 10 feet away. I’d imagine it’s going to be pretty bright.
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I'm crazy busy for the next few days or so, so will only be periodically popping in and out of the forum

I am informed by JVC that I should be receiving delivery of my first JVC RS2000/NX7/N7 unit within the next 10 days, hopefully next week. Following which I will be carrying out an in-depth evaluation of the JVC RS2000/NX7/N7 both in itself and as directly compared versus the RS3000/NX9

And yes, I will be make a particular point of comparing key aspects including the comparative lens and optics performance, as well as the full extent regarding what the eShift 8K is doing or not doing etc.

Thanks Arrow (is it Nigel?). I certainly appreciate your work and all the help/knowledge that you can provide to us.
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Oh, yeah, you should be good to go.


I’m hoping. The word I’m wanting is “searingly” bright. Lol.

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I'm crazy busy for the next few days or so, so will only be periodically popping in and out of the forum

I am informed by JVC that I should be receiving delivery of my first JVC RS2000/NX7/N7 unit within the next 10 days, hopefully next week. Following which I will be carrying out an in-depth evaluation of the JVC RS2000/NX7/N7 both in itself and as directly compared versus the RS3000/NX9

And yes, I will be make a particular point of comparing key aspects including the comparative lens and optics performance, as well as the full extent regarding what the eShift 8K is doing or not doing etc.

Thanks Arrow, did you ever get any support on the Leo Bodner tester not working correctly on the rs3000?
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Are these new modes coming to the UB820?
There are rumors that they will but nothing definitive yet.
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hi kris, we have a panasonic ub9000 thread where i am sure any insights on the player you can share there people would be very interested in. we already have people there wondering about the new projector modes. and also I suspect application beyond the current/new JVCs [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]



I'll cross post your note here for the moment so people are atleast aware of your upcoming explorations [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]


Are these new modes coming to the UB820?
I am not Panasonic to answer that &#x1f604; perhaps address question to Panasonic via customer support &#x1f642;

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Looking forward to the comparisons with the RS1000 and RS2000!

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