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what's a better streaming device? is amazon cube more stable? what about m9702?
ATV is still one of the best and has features like Auto frame rate match and auto dynamic range match. They all have pluses and minuses. Apple constantly updates their device and eventually will add new features down the line with OS updates. Rumor has it that they will be releasing a new ATV in the fall.

The issue you describe should be easily fixed by setting the JVC projector to either frame adapt high mode or frame adapt medium mode. Usually I just leave my JVC set to the high mode unless I see that some highlights are being clipped abnormally.
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The only video service I use that I can't get on the Shield is Apple TV+ (for the excellent series For All Mankind), so the Roku (with its 100 MB jack) stays in the system for that - and its wonderful aquarium screen saver.


No one streamer has all the bases covered.
i have a couple of 4k fire sticks connected tvs and might try one on the projector just to compare it to atv. i assumed the fire cube might have more robust hardware than the stick. my primary use for ATV is netflix (occasional vudu, appletv+, amazon etc). the other option im excited to try out is the netflix app on the htpc i've been very slowly working on.

will check out For All Mankind this weekend--only show i've watched a couple of episodes on apple tv is Mythic Quest, which i thought wasn't too bad.

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ATV is still one of the best and has features like Auto frame rate match and auto dynamic range match. They all have pluses and minuses. Apple constantly updates their device and eventually will add new features down the line with OS updates. Rumor has it that they will be releasing a new ATV in the fall.

The issue you describe should be easily fixed by setting the JVC projector to either frame adapt high mode or frame adapt medium mode. Usually I just leave my JVC set to the high mode unless I see that some highlights are being clipped abnormally.
i did make that change on the projector and it was significantly better than before.

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The only video service I use that I can't get on the Shield is Apple TV+ (for the excellent series For All Mankind), so the Roku (with its 100 MB jack) stays in the system for that - and its wonderful aquarium screen saver.


No one streamer has all the bases covered.
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will check out For All Mankind this weekend--only show i've watched a couple of episodes on apple tv is Mythic Quest, which i thought wasn't too bad.
That series is based on the idea that the space race didn't end because the soviets got there a month before us, so we decided to raise the ante by using the moon as a base for going further into space. Great alternative history.
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I've had both a 2019 4K Roku Ultra and a 4K Amazon Fire Stick in my theater since I completed it in the fall of 2019, with the Roku used for everything but Amazon Music HD (since the Roku only has the mp3 version of Amazon Music) - particularly since the only way to even get CD quality from the FireSick is to lock it to PCM stereo output.



About two weeks ago I added an Nvidia Shield (the less-expensive "tube" model since the "Pro" was out of stock and I didn't need the USB input anyway), to get the 2019 Shields' AI Upscaling to 4K, which is excellent, adding "inferred" detail to 1080 and 480 streams. (Riker: "On screen. Enlarge and Enhance.")



Projected 11' 4'" wide by my RS1000, the Shield's AI upscaling is truly impressive. Between the Shield's AI Upscaling, gigabit Ethernet jack, and Puffin web browser (from the Google Play Store), it's largely displaced the Roku. I use the Shield's AI Upscaling to good effect on VUDU, Amazon Prime Video (including CBS All Access and Britbox), Disney + and Netflix.



The only video service I use that I can't get on the Shield is Apple TV+ (for the excellent series For All Mankind), so the Roku (with its 100 MB jack) stays in the system for that - and its wonderful aquarium screen saver.



By the way, the best way to get TuneIn in a theater is to use a phone's TuneIn app to cast to the Shield (oh yeah, it's also a Chromecast receiver), while on wifi. The Roku has the best TuneIn app of my three streamers (the Shield and the Fire Stick have nearly useless versions and the Roku's version, while good, can't get some stations with codecs the Roku doesn't support - like KJAZZ in California - but casting from my android phone sidesteps all of those problems).



Though the phone does get Amazon Music HD, that service only "casts" as mp3s, so I still use the Fire Stick for that.



No one streamer has all the bases covered.
If you have a iPad or iPhone you can cast via airplay using one of the airplay receiver apps on both the fire stick/cube or the shield.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...in.airplaydmr3

There is a free version you can try before you buy.

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Do you think we can expect a laser 4K projector from JVC in 2021 for around $10-$12k?
I would not be surprised if we see one in that price range in the fall of 2021. I don't expect to see one this year at that price range.
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That series is based on the idea that the space race didn't end - because the soviets got there a month before us, so we decided to raise the ante by use the moon as a base for going further into space. Great alternative history.
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Do you think we can expect a laser 4K projector from JVC in 2021 for around $10-$12k?
Laser 4K (NX9 refresh) would be real nice and kind of expected eventually. But probably more like $20k-$25k.

And what are the chances they will be including HDMI 2.1 in their next NX series release? Wouldn’t that also support 4K HDR @ 120Hz refresh (8K HDR @ 60 Hz) and up to 48Gbps bandwidth? That could help judder, panning and other motion artifacts (as in fast action movies, sports, nature films) if higher frame rates were supported at 4K.
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Would you still buy a NX7 this year or wait and see?
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My next PJ is going to be laser, so I’m in no hurry. But I’d personally wait until later in the year to see if JVC has any announcements. But if you’re in a hurry, an NX7 would be great PJ.
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Laser 4K (NX9 refresh) would be real nice and kind of expected eventually. But probably more like $20k-$25k.

And what are the chances they will be including HDMI 2.1 in their next NX series release? Wouldn’t that also support 4K HDR @ 120Hz refresh (8K HDR @ 60 Hz) and up to 48Gbps bandwidth? That could help judder, panning and other motion artifacts (as in fast action movies, sports, nature films) if higher frame rates were supported at 4K.
If you are talking about this fall, then the answer is no.
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If you are talking about this fall, then the answer is no.
For refresh of the NX series in general or a laser equipped NX9esque machine?
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For refresh of the NX series in general or a laser equipped NX9esque machine?
He asked about HDMI 2.1. But I would not be holding my breath for a laser version of the RS3000/NX9 either.
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From Mike's response, looks like you are good to go with the NX7.
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It could be a couple of years before a laser RS3000 / NX9 comes out.


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Craig, would you ever back-pedal and return to a lamp based PJ after owning the RS4500?

edit: Not that lamp based JVC's aren't great (I own one), I was just wondering about your personal experience.
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JVC-N5 Ceiling mount question

Hi all,

I have recently purchased a JVC-N5, should be arriving later today, store I purchased from do not stock ceiling mounts for it so found a store in my country that claimed to have a ceiling mount specifically for my model.

The ceiling mount just arrived and on the installation sheet I spotted this:

"The static load rating of max. 15kg is significantly reduced by the introlduction of any dynamic forces (shock, vibration etc.) and/or with large offset loading from the swivel ball."

I am a bit worried now, the website stated that this was a mount made for my projector yet the claimed max rating is 15kg (projector weights 19.8kg).

Im hoping its just a typo on the instruction sheet but not sure I trust it now that I read that.

Just making sure im reading that warning right before I start the fun of a return.
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ATV changes the metadata at random, which throws off the auto frame adapt. Set it on manual (High or Medium).
Still issues? I believed they have fixed it. Is it that hard just propagating the original metadata!?
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Laser 4K (NX9 refresh) would be real nice and kind of expected eventually. But probably more like $20k-$25k.

And what are the chances they will be including HDMI 2.1 in their next NX series release? Wouldn’t that also support 4K HDR @ 120Hz refresh (8K HDR @ 60 Hz) and up to 48Gbps bandwidth? That could help judder, panning and other motion artifacts (as in fast action movies, sports, nature films) if higher frame rates were supported at 4K.
With what kind of source?
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Still issues? I believed they have fixed it. Is it that hard just propagating the original metadata!?
I should have clarified that the comment was referring to shows that are in Dolby Vision, converted to HDR10 by the ATV4K.
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Still issues? I believed they have fixed it. Is it that hard just propagating the original metadata!?
It would seem so. If the title is available in Dolby Vision, HDR10 output is derived from the DV source. So there is no original HDR10 metadata available to include. There is no base HDR10 layer for Dolby Vision streaming content.

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edit: Not that lamp based JVC's aren't great (I own one), I was just wondering about your personal experience.
No. In fact at my current rate of usage this theoretically could be a " one and done ". Almost. Could be another 7 years before I'm down 10% in brightness, since I use low laser ( 40K hours to 1/2 brightness ) for 1080p sources and mid laser ( 30K hours to 1/2 brightness ) for UHD 4K sources. I might need one more similar laser projector to see me through the end of my life!

A native 4K laser projector was a dream of mine for several years. I'm living the dream. At it's current price, this dream is not that expensive ( some folks have much more expensive dreams ) !
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I'd be willing to bet there won't be any real* upgrades / improvements / new models before late 2021.



*real improvements vs just a new model name, and the marketing dept. massaging the specs slightly so they look better.
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I've had both a 2019 4K Roku Ultra and a 4K Amazon Fire Stick in my theater since I completed it in the fall of 2019, with the Roku used for everything but Amazon Music HD (since the Roku only has the mp3 version of Amazon Music) - particularly since the only way to even get CD quality from the FireSick is to lock it to PCM stereo output.

About two weeks ago I added an Nvidia Shield (the less-expensive "tube" model since the "Pro" was out of stock and I didn't need the USB input anyway), to get the 2019 Shields' AI Upscaling to 4K, which is excellent, adding "inferred" detail to 1080 and 480 streams. (Riker: "Computer: Enlarge and Enhance.")

Projected 11' 4'" wide by my RS1000, the Shield's AI upscaling is truly impressive. Between the Shield's AI Upscaling, gigabit Ethernet jack, and Puffin web browser (from the Google Play Store), it's largely displaced the Roku. I use the Shield's AI Upscaling to good effect on VUDU, Amazon Prime Video (including CBS All Access and Britbox), Disney + and Netflix.

The only video service I use that I can't get on the Shield is Apple TV+ (for the excellent series For All Mankind), so the Roku (with its 100 MB Ethernet jack) stays in the system for that - and its wonderful aquarium screen saver.

By the way, the best way to get TuneIn in a theater is to use a phone's TuneIn app to cast to the Shield (oh yeah, it's also a Chromecast receiver), with the phone on wifi. The Roku has the best TuneIn app of my three streamers (the Shield and the Fire Stick have nearly useless versions and the Roku's version, while good, can't get some stations with codecs the Roku doesn't support - like KJAZZ in California - but casting from my android phone sidesteps all of those problems).

Though the phone does get Amazon Music HD, that service only "casts" as mp3s, so I still use the Fire Stick for that.

No one streamer has all the bases covered.
I've been impressed with the Amazon Fire Stick 4K since getting one at the start of the quarantine March 20th. For under $ 50.00 I thought the picture and sound were excellent. We've watched a ton of stuff on it, all through Amazon Prime - an a lot of Amazon shows.
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I've had both a 2019 4K Roku Ultra and a 4K Amazon Fire Stick in my theater since I completed it in the fall of 2019, with the Roku used for everything but Amazon Music HD (since the Roku only has the mp3 version of Amazon Music) - particularly since the only way to even get CD quality from the FireSick is to lock it to PCM stereo output.

About two weeks ago I added an Nvidia Shield (the less-expensive "tube" model since the "Pro" was out of stock and I didn't need the USB input anyway), to get the 2019 Shields' AI Upscaling to 4K, which is excellent, adding "inferred" detail to 1080 and 480 streams. (Riker: "Computer: Enlarge and Enhance.")

Projected 11' 4'" wide by my RS1000, the Shield's AI upscaling is truly impressive. Between the Shield's AI Upscaling, gigabit Ethernet jack, and Puffin web browser (from the Google Play Store), it's largely displaced the Roku. I use the Shield's AI Upscaling to good effect on VUDU, Amazon Prime Video (including CBS All Access and Britbox), Disney + and Netflix.

The only video service I use that I can't get on the Shield is Apple TV+ (for the excellent series For All Mankind), so the Roku (with its 100 MB Ethernet jack) stays in the system for that - and its wonderful aquarium screen saver.

By the way, the best way to get TuneIn in a theater is to use a phone's TuneIn app to cast to the Shield (oh yeah, it's also a Chromecast receiver), with the phone on wifi. The Roku has the best TuneIn app of my three streamers (the Shield and the Fire Stick have nearly useless versions and the Roku's version, while good, can't get some stations with codecs the Roku doesn't support - like KJAZZ in California - but casting from my android phone sidesteps all of those problems).

Though the phone does get Amazon Music HD, that service only "casts" as mp3s, so I still use the Fire Stick for that.

No one streamer has all the bases covered.
I've been impressed with the Amazon Fire Stick 4K since getting one at the start of the quarantine March 20th. For under $ 50.00 I thought the picture and sound were excellent. We've watched a ton of stuff on it, all through Amazon Prime - an a lot of Amazon shows.
For things already at 4K, all streamers look good. It's the AI Upscaling to 4K of streams at 1080 and below that's the Shield's ace in the hole, plus its "provider neutrality" and built in gigabit Ethernet jack (in addition to wifi).

It's more expensive than the Roku or the Fire, but it's worth it. The cylinder-shaped base model (commonly called the Tube) costs $150; the Pro model which adds a USB input and more memory costs $200 - when it's in stock.
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For things already at 4K, all streamers look good. It's the AI Upscaling to 4K of streams at 1080 and below that's the Shield's ace in the hole, plus its "provider neutrality" and built in gigabit Ethernet jack (in addition to wifi).

It's more expensive than the Roku or the Fire, but it's worth it. The cylinder-shaped base model (commonly called the Tube) costs $150; the Pro model which adds a USB input and more memory costs $200 - when it's in stock.
The upscaling feature of the 2019 Shield is pretty amazing . The speed between apps is better than the ROku Ultra or the Amazon 4K stick. Amazon really pushes their content. UI leaves a lot to be desired on the Firestick. Shield UI is impressive.

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It would seem so. If the title is available in Dolby Vision, HDR10 output is derived from the DV source. So there is no original HDR10 metadata available to include. There is no base HDR10 layer for Dolby Vision streaming content.
Really? Shouldn't HDR10 be always available to be backward compatible? Are you saying that there are DV contents that cannot be seen properly? Or is it instead due to a wrong interpretation made by ATV, that sends DV even though the device is not DV capable?
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The upscaling feature of the 2019 Shield is pretty amazing . The speed between apps is better than the ROku Ultra or the Amazon 4K stick. Amazon really pushes their content. UI leaves a lot to be desired on the Firestick. Shield UI is impressive.

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I was really only interested in watching" Picard " and " Homeland - season 8 ". Wound up watching a bunch of Amazon shows like " Jack Ryan ", " Electric Dreams " and " Tales From The Loop ". One perquisite was whatever the device, $50.00 was max. The reason being once the month long free streaming offers were over, our streaming is over ( until a new season of Picard and maybe Jack Ryan ). Back to watching discs - I just got 6 new 4K discs in and I've built up a serious backlog of films. I don't need Netflix - I have my own personal " CraigFlix " library !
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