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The spec sheet doesn't really say whether output is 24p capable or not. The sheet says video compatibility is "4K UHD 2160p (24/50/60Hz), 1080p (24/50/60Hz), 1080i (50/60Hz),720p(50/60Hz), 480i/p,576i/p" but that doesn't mean it outputs similarly. Or does it?

We all just found out the $6,000 LG UST does NOT do 24p at its nutty price.

I hope the Optoma P1 does. No one wants judder on a PJ > $3K...

Am I missing something?
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Just curious, for those who are buying UST, what kind of media stand do you have? would the hight dependent on UST projector?
I'm assuming with the UST, the position of pj is not so forgiving?
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The spec sheet doesn't really say whether output is 24p capable or not. The sheet says video compatibility is "4K UHD 2160p (24/50/60Hz), 1080p (24/50/60Hz), 1080i (50/60Hz),720p(50/60Hz), 480i/p,576i/p" but that doesn't mean it outputs similarly. Or does it?

We all just found out the $6,000 LG UST does NOT do 24p at its nutty price.

I hope the Optoma P1 does. No one wants judder on a PJ > $3K...

Am I missing something?
Not an expert but those specs should mean that the input video signal (HDMI input to the P1) can be in 4K at 24/50/60Hz and in HD (1080p) also at 24/50/60Hz, plus other resolutions noted. 50 Hz is needed outside of the U.S.; 24 Hz will be needed for 3D content at 1080P, and is the standard frequency for BluRay movies. 4K BluRay players are generally able to upscale lower resolutions to 4K. You use of the word output seems confusing as projectors are meant primarily to receive and display signals input to them. HDR (color) content may limit the frequency capability of the projector.
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Not an expert but those specs should mean that the input video signal (HDMI input to the P1) can be in 4K at 24/50/60Hz and in HD (1080p) also at 24/50/60Hz, plus other resolutions noted. 50 Hz is needed outside of the U.S.; 24 Hz will be needed for 3D content at 1080P, and is the standard frequency for BluRay movies. 4K BluRay players are generally able to upscale lower resolutions to 4K. You use of the word output seems confusing as projectors are meant primarily to receive and display signals input to them. HDR (color) content may limit the frequency capability of the projector.
I mean can I expect the laser to show a 4K/24p moving image on the wall when I provided a 4K/24p input from an UHD Blu-Ray player or similar?
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I mean can I expect the laser to show a 4K/24p moving image on the wall when I provided a 4K/24p input from an UHD Blu-Ray player or similar?
Yes, the specs say the projector should replicate the same frequency and resolution. Projector up-scaling will simply provide more pixels but at the same frequency as encoded. The newer projectors provide a 1.4 HDMI port for 1080p and lower resolutions and a 2.0 HDMI port for 4K resolutions, including up-scaled content from a 4K BD player.
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...projectors are not really competitive against other gamers on 4ms monitors, unfortunately. :-)
Yes, I was comparing it to my experience with my LG Oled 65 B7...it's 21ms on game mode and looks great, so 55ms should do as well.
Not a FPS maniac of course
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Yes, I was comparing it to my experience with my LG Oled 65 B7...it's 21ms on game mode and looks great, so 55ms should do as well.
Not a FPS maniac of course

On my 1080ST I've just got used to the occasional walking around a corner and finding myself already dead. :-)
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Not an expert but those specs should mean that the input video signal (HDMI input to the P1) can be in 4K at 24/50/60Hz and in HD (1080p) also at 24/50/60Hz, plus other resolutions noted. 50 Hz is needed outside of the U.S.; 24 Hz will be needed for 3D content at 1080P, and is the standard frequency for BluRay movies. 4K BluRay players are generally able to upscale lower resolutions to 4K. You use of the word output seems confusing as projectors are meant primarily to receive and display signals input to them. HDR (color) content may limit the frequency capability of the projector.
If this projector follows the same as standard DLP 3-D projectors, for 1080i and 720p 60fps 3-D material, the projector would run at 120hz, with a progressive 3-2 pulldown per eye delivering 60fps per eye.

With 24fps (23.976 but ya get the idea) 3-D material, the projector runs at 144hz, so it can do jutter free 3-D at 72hz per eye.

This is how lamp based DLP projectors do 3-D, and wouldn't expect the laser source to do it differently. Still would be nice to be confirmed though.
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Is the vertical offset distance from the shelf/ cabinet the UST projector is sitting on or the top of the projector which is just over 5 inches. I believe others have stated it's from the shelf/cabinet but just want to verify.

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https://www.projectorscreen.com/opto...-soundbar.html
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Check out the illustration at the bottom of this page regarding offset from projector to screen:

https://www.projectorscreen.com/opto...-soundbar.html
Wouldn't you want to round up instead of down? For example, 12 inches to the table top to the screen can be reduced by extension of the projector legs of .24 inches to achieve 11.76 inches. If you rounded down to 11, you can't negatively lower the table top by adjustment of the projector legs... Right? You'd end up with less than 11 inches.

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Check out the illustration at the bottom of this page regarding offset from projector to screen:
https://www.projectorscreen.com/opto...-soundbar.html
Just so that I understand, you need to have exactly 11" to the screen?
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We all just found out the $6,000 LG UST does NOT do 24p at its nutty price.
Really? I can't believe it. Where did you get this from? That would be stupid from their side.
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Just so that I understand, you need to have exactly 11" to the screen?
I was told by an Optoma sales engineer to multiply the height of the image by .24 and then round down to the nearest inch.

For a 100" screen it is suggested to have the console 11" below the bottom of the viewing area. You can adjust the feet on the projector as well to compensate for the 6% up/down variance in this calculation.

When we get our next unit I will do some measurements and post details of placement.
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Wouldn't you want to round up instead of down? For example, 12 inches to the table top to the screen can be reduced by extension of the projector legs of .24 inches to achieve 11.76 inches. If you rounded down to 11, you can't negatively lower the table top by adjustment of the projector legs... Right? You'd end up with less than 11 inches.

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I was told by an Optoma sales engineer to multiply the height of the image by .24 and then round down to the nearest inch. You cannot 'reduce' the height by adjusting the legs from their default position, you can only increase the height of the projector as the legs start flush with the projector.

I will confirm placement measurements when we get our hands on the P1 again.
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Hey y'all, I got some more answers from Optoma:

Q: Can you also confirm if it will/will not support 3d?

Optoma: Blu-ray 3D is supported. No limitations.


Q: Also, how would one hook up a subwoofer to the P1?

Optoma: 3.5mm audio cable to audio out on Projector. In my testing – 3.5mm via audio out works VERY well for sub.


Q: Do you know the input lag? (for gamers)

Optoma: Prelim data from Core is around 60ms with NO SmartFIT Geometry Correction and No PureMotion (disabled) – I am working to verify. If gaming, I strongly suggest a manual setup with no SmartFIT. In the SmartFIT Installation Guide, I cover setup with fixed frame screen with SmartFIT and fixed frame with NO SmartFIT.
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Yeah, in the tech sheet it says 55ms in game mode (no SmartFit/PureMotion) which is totally fine for any casual/no hardcore FPS gamer


Q: Do you know the input lag? (for gamers)

Optoma: Prelim data from Core is around 60ms with NO SmartFIT Geometry Correction and No PureMotion (disabled) – I am working to verify. If gaming, I strongly suggest a manual setup with no SmartFIT. In the SmartFIT Installation Guide, I cover setup with fixed frame screen with SmartFIT and fixed frame with NO SmartFIT.[/QUOTE]
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Just curious, for those who are buying UST, what kind of media stand do you have? would the hight dependent on UST projector?

I'm assuming with the UST, the position of pj is not so forgiving?
I'm personally using the Sanus JFV60 (discontinued unfortunately) and couldn't be happier. Very low profile, solid construction, and large depth unlike many others out there. Originally purchased it for the large depth due to a Pioneer receiver that was deeper than average AVRs. But now with a UST projector the table top gives me more room to maneuver around to adjust it to my screen if need be. You could also always custom build a cabinet to meet your needs. Marcad80 posted pictures of some pretty good ideas on the ViewSonic PX800HD w/ BCP120 Screen forum. Once the Optoma P1 officially launches and after reviews come out, I'll probably be looking into a building a custom fit cabinet for it assuming it is worth the price of admission.

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Q: Also, how would one hook up a subwoofer to the P1?

Optoma: 3.5mm audio cable to audio out on Projector. In my testing – 3.5mm via audio out works VERY well for sub.

I remain curious how this will practically work - isolate the LFE information from the incoming, digital HDMI audio signal, convert it to analog and sent it out via a 3.5mm adapter cable with an RCA subwoofer connector on the other end?


Which reminds that we still haven't seen any picture of the P1's input panel. Should there be a P1 at IFA I'll take a picture, but would prefer an official one, soon.

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I'm personally using the Sanus JFV60 (discontinued unfortunately) and couldn't be happier. Very low profile, solid construction, and large depth unlike many others out there. Originally purchased it for the large depth due to a Pioneer receiver that was deeper than average AVRs. But now with a UST projector the table top gives me more room to maneuver around to adjust it to my screen if need be. You could also always custom build a cabinet to meet your needs. Marcad80 posted pictures of some pretty good ideas on the ViewSonic PX800HD w/ BCP120 Screen forum. Once the Optoma P1 officially launches and after reviews come out, I'll probably be looking into a building a custom fit cabinet for it assuming it is worth the price of admission.

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Wow, Custom cabinet for a projector!? I thought the benefit of UST was less installation headache
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Hey y'all, I got some more answers from Optoma:

Q: Can you also confirm if it will/will not support 3d?

Optoma: Blu-ray 3D is supported. No limitations.
Yes!!! Thanks for verifying!

Re-uploading the spec sheet here; last one was oddly identified as a virus (it isn't).
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I remain curious how this will practically work - isolate the LFE information from the incoming, digital HDMI audio signal, convert it to analog and sent it out via a 3.5mm adapter cable with an RCA subwoofer connector on the other end?
It works the same as any other subwoofer. The 3.5 out is full range audio. The subwoofer filters everything out but the bottom low pass frequencies to whatever the user settings are on the subwoofer or in the audio settings of the projector. I’m sure the optical out would do the same thing, but the majority of subwoofers have analog inputs while it’s rarer to offer optical or digital coax inputs (unfortunately).

The addition of a subwoofer correctly dialed in will make the projector speakers much more viable as a primary audio setup for many. I’m sure it will never happen, but it would be great if Optoma would recommend specific subwoofers that are a good match in timbre with the speakers.

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It works the same as any other subwoofer. The 3.5 out is full range audio. The subwoofer filters everything out but the bottom low pass frequencies to whatever the user settings are on the subwoofer or in the audio settings of the projector. I’m sure the optical out would do the same thing, but the majority of subwoofers have analog inputs while it’s rarer to offer optical or digital coax inputs (unfortunately).

The addition of a subwoofer correctly dialed in will make the projector speakers much more viable as a primary audio setup for many. I’m sure it will never happen, but it would be great if Optoma would recommend specific subwoofers that are a good match in timbre with the speakers.
I wouldn't be surprised if you saw a Nuforce (Optoma's sister company and maker of the soundbar in this projector) subwoofer to pair with this sometime soon.
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I wouldn't be surprised if you saw a Nuforce (Optoma's sister company and maker of the soundbar in this projector) subwoofer to pair with this sometime soon.
That would/could be great. I know NuForce went out of business and then were bought out by Optoma. I have the feeling they’re not really a full fledged audio company any more but I could be wrong. The P1 might have been what Optoma had in mind when they bought NuForce (or their assets).
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Strange thing about the P1 EU version (UHZ65UST)....it looks like it's

- 3.200 lumens vs 3.000 (P1)
- 2.000.000:1 contrast ratio vs 1.500.000:1 (P1)
- £3.999 aka $4.863 vs $2.999 (P1)...crazy price gap!
- it confirms 3D and 24fps

Specs link here: https://www.projectors.co.uk/media/i...TPROJECTOR.pdf

What is going on Optoma?!
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That's indeed very strange.


But thanks to your link...WE FINALLY GOT A REAR VIEW OF THE CINEMAX P1
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Strange thing about the P1 EU version (UHZ65UST)....it looks like it's

- 3.200 lumens vs 3.000 (P1)
- 2.000.000:1 contrast ratio vs 1.500.000:1 (P1)
- £3.999 aka $4.863 vs $2.999 (P1)...crazy price gap!
- it confirms 3D and 24fps

Specs link here: https://www.projectors.co.uk/media/i...TPROJECTOR.pdf

What is going on Optoma?!
I just received word that in Canada, the P1 price will be CDN $6000+, which works out to US $4500. Ugh.
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I am afraid this might happen to U.S. price too...Optoma UK told me that final P1 price might align with EU one...:I

Hopefully this won't happen or it would be a big turn off, honestly

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I just received word that in Canada, the P1 price will be CDN $6000+, which works out to US $4500. Ugh.
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I am afraid this might happen to U.S. price too...Optoma UK told me that final P1 price might align with EU one...:I

Hopefully this won't happen or it would be a big turn off, honestly
I agree.

Currently, I am on the pre-order list for the LG HU85LA (I am told I am first on the list at Eastporters up here in Canada), but the lack of 3D has me thinking the Optoma might be a better fit, thus my renewed interest in the P1.
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Strange thing about the P1 EU version (UHZ65UST)....it looks like it's

- 3.200 lumens vs 3.000 (P1)
- 2.000.000:1 contrast ratio vs 1.500.000:1 (P1)
- £3.999 aka $4.863 vs $2.999 (P1)...crazy price gap!
- it confirms 3D and 24fps

Specs link here: https://www.projectors.co.uk/media/i...TPROJECTOR.pdf

What is going on Optoma?!

You must be kidding me. That's horrible if that's true. I was so happy that I didn't had to buy a Xiaomi Wemax A300 and now the raised the price around 62%? That's so sad! I haven't found any Euro prices yet but I'm afraid that it will make me cry.
That's the feeling I had when I was told that Santa doesn't exist. :-(
Shame on Optoma!
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You must be kidding me. That's horrible if that's true. I was so happy that I didn't had to buy a Xiaomi Wemax A300 and now the raised the price around 62%? That's so sad! I haven't found any Euro prices yet but I'm afraid that it will make me cry.
That's the feeling I had when I was told that Santa doesn't exist. :-(
Shame on Optoma!

And I don't see any 2D 24Hz compatibility anymore. All the hype is gone!!!!
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