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I don't know where you think the lens in the LG is "more expensive" just because it has a different throw ratio? That was just a choice in optics, doesn't make it more expensive, just different.

Interestingly, Optoma actually advertises they have an all glass lens of high(er) quality and LG doesn't so if anything I would tend to think that the Optoma has a more expensive lens.

Let's stick with the facts.
1) I never stated it was the ONLY reason the LG was more expensive - "The LG has a more expensive lens which allows it to be closer to the screen than Optoma, which is half the cost of the LG."

2) I was told directly by Optoma regarding the cost of the lenses between the two units. I would assume that they know their facts regarding the cost of the building materials and components better than you or I.
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I stated a fact told to me directly by Optoma.
But you were discussing the lens on the LG when you made that claim, were you confused or did you misunderstand the topic?

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But you were discussing the lens on the LG when you made that claim, were you confused or did you misunderstand the topic?
I edited and clarified my statement in post 455 while you wrote this reply. Look up ^^^
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1) I never stated it was the ONLY reason the LG was more expensive - "The LG has a more expensive lens which allows it to be closer to the screen than Optoma, which is half the cost of the LG."

2) I was told directly by Optoma regarding the cost of the lenses between the two units. I would assume that they know their facts regarding the cost of the building materials and components better than you or I.
1. No one is debating whether or not you said it was the only reason but you were specifically referring to the lens as cost related factor as was I. At the end of the day, the cost of the UST lens is nominal compared the remainder of the components, so mentioning it is "more expensive" isn't really relative.

2. Even if they know the wholesale manufacturer price, that doesn't take into consideration bulk pricing, manufacturer discounts and a whole host of variables that come into play on the "real" cost to LG, so it's just as much a guess to Optoma as it would be to me or you because we can look those wholesale prices up too.

But the burning question of the day is why the hell would your contact even make a statement like that about a competitor that already has a one up on their product? I think whomever your communicating with at Optoma is probably in marketing or janitorial, kind of hard to decide. LMAO 😲

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1. No one is debating whether or not you said it was the only reason but you were specifically referring to the lens as cost related factor as was I. At the end of the day, the cost of the UST lens is nominal compared the remainder of the components, so mentioning it is "more expensive" isn't really relative.

2. Even if they know the wholesale manufacturer price, that doesn't take into consideration bulk pricing, manufacturer discounts and a whole host of variables that come into play on the "real" cost to LG, so it's just as much a guess to Optoma as it would be to me or you because we can look those wholesale prices up too.

But the burning question of the day is why the hell would your contact even make a statement like that about a competitor that already has a one up on their product? I think whomever your communicating with at Optoma is probably in marketing or janitorial, kind of hard to decide. LMAO 😲

Moving on...
Optoma is owned by Coretronic, an OEM projector manufacturer which provides products for many projector brands in addition to their own.

The "janitors" that I speak to understand the costs involved in the manufacturing of their products and how it affects their intended price point by including/taking away/modifying components and features.

I'm, honestly not sure what is trying to be proved here, I'm happy to be moving on with you.
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I wonder if we should be concerned that there hasn't been any reviews of this unit. It's supposed to come out next month...
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Now that you’ve had this for a while have you had an opportunity to calibrate it, shoot anymore videos? I’m sure there are lots of folks that would like to see what this puppy can do.
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2 blue and one red, they advertise as 2 (red and blue) but it's actually 3 in use that's why this UST projector doesn't need a color wheel.

https://www.quora.com/What-color-does-blue-and-red-make


Scratching my head trying to understand how to get green from mixing blue and red, but apparently that somehow works with the P1.


Interesting that the LG will also be using the larger 0.66" DMD, so that's another one next to Acer and Vivitek.

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Scratching my head trying to understand how to get green from mixing blue and red, but apparently that somehow works with the P1.


Interesting that the LG will also be using the larger 0.66" DMD, so that's another one next to Acer and Vivitek.
LOL they don't mix the blue and red laser to make green, the additional blue laser is ran through a yellow phosphor to make green (blue + yellow=green), same on the P1, but a color wheel AND a yellow phosphor is used.
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Do people recommend buying media stand first or screen first?

I think people recommend measuring first! :-)


I have a nice blank wall that I'll eventually paint once I have a new 4k projector, but I needed a new media stand as I've just moved, and all my kit's on the floor :-)
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Now that you’ve had this for a while have you had an opportunity to calibrate it, shoot anymore videos? I’m sure there are lots of folks that would like to see what this puppy can do.
I haven't had it this whole time, we had a couple of hours to play with it while Optoma was out our offices. We are not allowed to provide certain details or publish more in depth content until next week, such as some side-by-side against the LG HU85LA, so stay tuned!
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Strange, considering Optoma's HQ is in Taiwan, I would have rather expected them to have a special pick-up discount for Taiwanese customers.

Somehow I can't shake the suspicion that the upcoming DLP manufacturer transition from the smaller 0.47" DMD to the better 0.66" DMD (eg. Acer, Vivitek, LG UST) has an impact on price and market introduction.


Kraine receives the LG UST tomorrow for testing, the Vivitek UST will probably arrive at the end of year but if both of these feature the 0.66" DMD they will make the P1 inevitably look "old" if it's using the slightly inferior 0.47" DMD.


Another hint is the slight confusion regarding 3D support. While no problem für the 0.47" DMD, the 0.66" DMD wasn't designed for 3D but Acer claims it or Texas Instruments has solved the problem.


Assuming the $ 2.999 price tag made the round based on plans to use the 0.47" DMD, then the use of the 0.66" DMD aboard the P1 would definitely - IMHO - justify a price increase. Just my two cents.
I think everyone is going to be surprised with how well the P1 stacks up against the HU85LA considering the price disparity. I'll be allowed to share more details and some photos next week after the "official" announcement from Optoma regarding pricing, finalized specs, etc
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I wonder if we should be concerned that there hasn't been any reviews of this unit. It's supposed to come out next month...
There still aren't any final productions units that have been circulating yet so you shouldn't expect to see reputable sources reviewing the P1 until they have a final production unit in their hands. The unit I got to play with was not a final release, but we did get to do a little shoot out against the HU85LA and I look forward to being allowed to share those images and what we found with y'all next week.
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@ProjectionHead I hope so or they will loose 80% of potential buyers
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I'll be allowed to share more details and some photos next week after the "official" announcement from Optoma regarding pricing, finalized specs, etc

I guess that means next Friday, September 6, because that's when the IFA in Berlin starts and where Optoma competitor LG Electronics will probably unveil its UST front projector.

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I think everyone is going to be surprised with how well the P1 stacks up against the HU85LA considering the price disparity. I'll be allowed to share more details and some photos next week after the "official" announcement from Optoma regarding pricing, finalized specs, etc
@ProjectionHead do you know the distance from the bottom of the projector to the bottom of screen, when using it with a 100" or 120" screen ?



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And another conspiracy theory why it takes Optoma so long with the P1:





Perhaps they are trying to figure out, how on Earth Xiaomi managed to achieve a native DLP contrast with the 0.47" DMD between 2500:1 to 2.700:1...


https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...l#post58491314


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@ProjectionHead do you know the distance from the bottom of the projector to the bottom of screen, when using it with a 100" or 120" screen ?



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It's 11" for a 100" screen and 14" for a 120".
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@ProjectionHead do you know the distance from the bottom of the projector to the bottom of screen, when using it with a 100" or 120" screen ?
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Checked the user manual of the LG HU85LA, couldn't find any hint for a possible 3D support so it's up to Optoma to (hopefully) deliver.

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The LG HU85LA didn't support 3D because it use the 0.66 chips not the 0.47
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The LG HU85LA didn't support 3D because it use the 0.66 chips not the 0.47

But the new Acer models use the 0.66" DMD and support 3D, so it appears there has been some progress.

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The 120" limitation is workable at 16x9 for me probably not for many others, but the 3000 company reported lumens concerns me. First that is usually optimistic and second it drops drastically at calibration. However with UST projectors sitting much closer to the ALR screens 3000 may equal 5000 as in the standard throw projectors like the Beng LK990. So hopefully we end up with the same fl values at the screen with the Standard Throw projectors.

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But the new Acer models use the 0.66" DMD and support 3D, so it appears there has been some progress.


I’m guessing here, but I think TI must have created a new control module for the .66 DMD. 3D needs to be baked in to avoid artifacts that would be caused by software latency.
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And another conspiracy theory why it takes Optoma so long with the P1.

Perhaps they are trying to figure out, how on Earth Xiaomi managed to achieve a native DLP contrast with the 0.47" DMD between 2500:1 to 2.700:1...

Interesting observation, but they both use the same chipset 🤨 AND as I've pointed out in another post earlier, this is the ONLY UST projector that I'm aware of that will implement Dynamic Contrast, i.e. laser pulse based contrast enhanced (like a dynamic iris on bulb projectors). They have this Dynamic Contrast on the UHZ65 front laser projector and the contrast on that has been measured upwards of 18,000:1!!!!! 😯

Guranteed this will be better than the Xiaomi in contrast! At worst, it will be the same but you'll get the benefit of better color management for a far superior image.

Xiaomi has a long way to go to beat Optoma at the projector game.

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Interesting observation, but they both use the same chipset AND as I've pointed out in another post earlier, this is the ONLY UST projector that I'm aware of that will implement Dynamic Contrast, i.e. laser pulse based contrast enhanced (like a dynamic iris on bulb projectors). They have this Dynamic Contrast on the UHZ65 front laser projector and the contrast on that has been measured upwards of 18,000:1!!!!!



Guranteed this will be better than the Xiaomi in contrast! At worst, it will be the same but you'll get the benefit of better color management for a far superior image.



Xiaomi has a long way to go to beat Optoma at the projector game.



Cheers.


Not so sure about that myself. Xiaomi uses the ALPD 3.0 laser engine which is a dual laser configuration. Optoma is using a single laser design. Optoma is a Taiwanese company. Taiwan is a much smaller country with a smaller pool of experienced engineers. Xiaomi is Chinese. China is much like Japan in the late 70’s/early 80’s. Japan was at that time synonymous with cheap low quality products. A few years later Japan’s industry was producing much higher quality and less expensive products than its American counterparts. It was truly embarrassing for American auto and electronics manufacturers. I feel like we’re repeating history here. More westernized companies are spending too much on marketing their overpriced low quality products rather than R&D. At the same time they typically pay their CEO’s absurd salaries. On average American CEO’s make 300x the average wage. In Japan a CEO makes only about 80x the average wage. And in China I’m guessing it’s even less. The western business model just can’t compete imo. These companies are banking on marketing and exploiting consumer preconceptions rather than compete. I’m hoping the Optoma manages to equal the Xiaomi in both quality and price. However, I’d honestly be a little surprised if they do.

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Interesting observation, but they both use the same chipset AND as I've pointed out in another post earlier, this is the ONLY UST projector that I'm aware of that will implement Dynamic Contrast, i.e. laser pulse based contrast enhanced (like a dynamic iris on bulb projectors). They have this Dynamic Contrast on the UHZ65 front laser projector and the contrast on that has been measured upwards of 18,000:1!!!!!



Guranteed this will be better than the Xiaomi in contrast! At worst, it will be the same but you'll get the benefit of better color management for a far superior image.



Xiaomi has a long way to go to beat Optoma at the projector game.



Cheers.


Not so sure about that myself. Xiaomi uses the ALPD 3.0 laser engine which is a dual laser configuration. Optoma is using a single laser design. Optoma is a Taiwanese company. Taiwan is a much smaller country with a smaller pool of experienced engineers. Xiaomi is Chinese. China is much like Japan in the late 70’️s/early 80’️s. Japan was at that time synonymous with cheap low quality products. A few years later Japan’️s industry was producing much higher quality and less expensive products than its American counterparts. It was truly embarrassing for American auto and electronics manufacturers. I feel like we’️re repeating history here. More westernized companies are spending too much on marketing their overpriced low quality products rather than R&D. At the same time they typically pay their CEO’️s absurd salaries. On average American CEO’️s make 300x the average wage. In Japan a CEO makes only about 80x the average wage. And in China I’️m guessing it’️s even less. The western business model just can’️t compete imo. These companies are banking on marketing and exploiting consumer preconceptions rather than compete. I’️m hoping the Optoma manages to equal the Xiaomi in both quality and price. However, I’️d honestly be a little surprised if they do.

I didn't realize I would be reading about japan VS America stuff on this thread.. It has nothing to do...
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Not so sure about that myself. Xiaomi uses the ALPD 3.0 laser engine which is a dual laser configuration. Optoma is using a single laser design. Optoma is a Taiwanese company. Taiwan is a much smaller country with a smaller pool of experienced engineers. Xiaomi is Chinese. China is much like Japan in the late 70’s/early 80’s. Japan was at that time synonymous with cheap low quality products. A few years later Japan’s industry was producing much higher quality and less expensive products than its American counterparts. It was truly embarrassing for American auto and electronics manufacturers. I feel like we’re repeating history here. More westernized companies are spending too much on marketing their overpriced low quality products rather than R&D. At the same time they typically pay their CEO’s absurd salaries. On average American CEO’s make 300x the average wage. In Japan a CEO makes only about 80x the average wage. And in China I’m guessing it’s even less. The western business model just can’t compete imo. These companies are banking on marketing and exploiting consumer preconceptions rather than compete. I’m hoping the Optoma manages to equal the Xiaomi in both quality and price. However, I’d honestly be a little surprised if they do.

Please stop. 😕

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