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Optoma P1 4k Laser UST @ CES

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The LG UST Laser projector shown in CES for less than $3000 has two lasers and claims to be "real 4k" but I am waiting for some reviewers to get their hands on them before I trust their 4k claims.


There hasn’t been a price announced for the LG yet. The Optoma P1 with a single blue laser was announced as $3,000.
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"Value" hmmmmm. "Over head surround" really?
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The LG UST Laser projector shown in CES for less than $3000 has two lasers and claims to be "real 4k" but I am waiting for some reviewers to get their hands on them before I trust their 4k claims.
The LG uses the same Texas Instruments 0.47" DMD with XPR technology as BenQ, Acer, ViewSonic and we do. It's been out for. Year and proven to produce excellent image. We're also using a glass lens on the P1. There's nothing to really wait for. However, if you want a native 4K chip in a ultra short throw form factor, the Sony SXRD 4K UST is your only option at $25k USD.
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Pony up and buy a lamp.....



I am pushing 10k hours now and just recently purchased a lamp....250 and she is new again......for hopefully another 9k hours....



When looking at the cost difference for us high hour usage users, laser is still not that great at 20k hours, I am half way to that in just over 2 years...…..I would hate to think I would be half way to throwing away my projector if it was laser...…...and I would be in for 4 times the costs or more for a half used up PJ...…


When you do the math for a high hour user, it does not favor the laser at this time....which oddly is a selling point.

Never thought of this. UST projectors are on my radar this year. 77" OLEDs and such are coming down in price, but huge displays just aint easy to deal with and I love the UST concept.

If I get one, it will be used for everything, so 25 hours a week prob.
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Never thought of this. UST projectors are on my radar this year. 77" OLEDs and such are coming down in price, but huge displays just aint easy to deal with and I love the UST concept.

If I get one, it will be used for everything, so 25 hours a week prob.

With very good 1080`s in the 6 to 8 hundred buck range and 4K`s in the 1200-2K range...…..the math just does pencil out on a laser one for me, maybe there is some performance metric I am over looking, but my 600 buck lamp based model looks very good......it is going to take a while to break even compared to a lasers costs up front...…..


I took about 5 minutes to change the bulb with a Philips screw driver and it was good as new again......I wonder what the reduction in lumens curve looks like on a laser and if 4 or 5 thousand hours of that 20k hour rating on the laser is at 80% lumens as new output.


I think they do pretty well up to the end of maintaining output, a bulb does slope off pretty good.....it just depends on what you want.


I am not anti laser and now that the prices have been coming down I am looking at them more and more.....but the math is not penciling out for my application at this time, for others it might fit and be perfect for their application.


Depending on application 20k hours might be a lifetime or a few years.....



I was just talking yesterday and a friend has some 15 year old 20K projector he wants to hook up, no HDMI and 4:3 output, is that even worth using now at all ? So at some point, no matter how many hours a lamp/laser lasts, it will not play current content...….


Just some things to mull over...…..I am super excited to see these new laser offerings and that the price is dropping more and more,,,....great times for sure !

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For $3000, Id be willing to try it out. I mean it looks like it would sit perfectly on my Klipsch center. I used to sweat lumens, but whenever I go to a Buff Wild Wings and see it all lit up and look at the FP image, Im like sure it is washed a little but it is HUGE.
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So, if I wanted to go all out on a proper screen, is something like the $1000 UST Elite screen the proper move being it is a living room device and only dark for movies?

https://elitescreens.com/front/front...il/product/154

Edit: Found my own answer, that would most likely be the screen I would buy.

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"Value" hmmmmm. "Over head surround" really?
Value=hell yeah! Seeing as how Dell's first single laser UST PJ was $5000, all of the front ceiling mounted DLP laser PJs are $4500/$5000 and the Chinese JMGo UST laser is $4500. Hell, even the 1080p UST laser PJ from Xioami is $2,000 so all in all, $3000 IS a value indeed!

I thought it would come in closer to $4000-$5000 range but thank goodness it didn't. Might see it down to $2,500 by summer!!!!!
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I guess being a flat panel person I don’t see $2999 msrp as bad.

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I've been looking at some of the Optoma UST bulb projectors. They're very, very inexpensive and throw a very bright punchy picture. The bulb life is pretty long and BAM new bulb and you're set again for those of us who leave our units on for many hours. I would go through 20k hours very quickly. So, I'm not so convinced that they are a good value just yet. My BenQ HT2050 was a great deal. The P1 not so much IMHO. Take a grand off that MSRP and I would be inclined to agree. Also, screen cost. 1k for the XY screen to pair with this. 4k for 4k. Steep.
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Can you pro cal a UST projector?

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Never thought of this. UST projectors are on my radar this year. 77" OLEDs and such are coming down in price, but huge displays just aint easy to deal with and I love the UST concept.

If I get one, it will be used for everything, so 25 hours a week prob.

If you were looking at OLEDs, chances are high that this wont come anywhere near close to the picture quality an OLED gives. The main selling point of an OLED is infinite contrast. Black will look black regardless of what else the screen is displaying. I don't know the contrast numbers, but I think most of these are native 2000:1..... Can someone tell me if the numbers for this are different?
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If you were looking at OLEDs, chances are high that this wont come anywhere near close to the picture quality an OLED gives. The main selling point of an OLED is infinite contrast. Black will look black regardless of what else the screen is displaying. I don't know the contrast numbers, but I think most of these are native 2000:1..... Can someone tell me if the numbers for this are different?
I have two OLED's, but I am kinda ready for a large screen that isnt $10k and impossible to move.

I get DLP has a black level issue, I see it at the theater where the FP's do not look like the OLED, but, they still look good. I had a 75" Sony 940E, which was outstanding even though it wasn't an OLED, I just got tired of the FALD associated issues and the view angle. I think a DLP projector would be the solution.

Also looking at the videos for the Elite screens UST screen that is around $1100, it helps the image.
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Can you pro cal a UST projector?


Depends, calibration has nothing to do with the lens system. So some UST’s will and some won’t. Anything that is ISF (Institute of Screeen and Film) certified will certainly be able too. Not having an ISF certification doesn’t mean you can’t calibrate the projector either.
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Ok I usually use Chad B and wasn’t sure how FP or UST cals really are handled, because I’ve never owned one.

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There are none, we already have a complete line up of standard throws - UHD50, UHD51A, UHD51ALV, UHD60, UHD65 and UHZ65 on the consumer side.
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Any idea when the full specs will come out? Interested in color space specifically (DCI P3 coverage).

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Any idea when the full specs will come out? Interested in color space specifically (DCI P3 coverage).
We'll release more info at launch, which is late Q2.
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I guess I’m not as impressed as the author. Rec709 is already about 85% of DCI-P3. So 90% is not terrible but nothing to jump up and down about either.
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75%. Living in flat panel world where I have always been, once you get into 90-100, it’s kinda who cares at that point. 90 is fine. Actually I think it is more like 79%, but whatever. 90 was set as the number to get a UHD prem cert.
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Any idea when the full specs will come out? Interested in color space specifically (DCI P3 coverage).


We'll release more info at launch, which is late Q2.
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Ok, I don't see the specs anywhere, is 3D supported?


I asked Tuan on another thread. He did confirm Blu-ray 3D compatability.
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If I get one, it will be used for everything, so 25 hours a week prob.

That's hilarious ! 25 hrs for a whole week ? LOL If I don't average twice that, I must be traveling.

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I’m curious. Since Tuan is admitting that this uses the TI 0.47 DMD XPR tech, I’m already concerned that this PJ isn’t an option. I’m making assumptions based on the fact that NONE of the .47 chipped projectors have shown an acceptable input lag time for gaming. I’m actually somewhat baffled that none of the current crop of 4K projectors, regardless of method, have even attempted to pander the the gamer base. With the new console wars moving WELL into 4K territory (even before a lot of other content providers), this on its face seems like a major misstep.

When looking for a gaming projector, there are only a couple that aim to take the market share, and they are outdated 1080p models from yesteryear. Am I alone in this observation?


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I’m curious. Since Tuan is admitting that this uses the TI 0.47 DMD XPR tech, I’m already concerned that this PJ isn’t an option. I’m making assumptions based on the fact that NONE of the .47 chipped projectors have shown an acceptable input lag time for gaming. I’m actually somewhat baffled that none of the current crop of 4K projectors, regardless of method, have even attempted to pander the the gamer base. With the new console wars moving WELL into 4K territory (even before a lot of other content providers), this on its face seems like a major misstep.

When looking for a gaming projector, there are only a couple that aim to take the market share, and they are outdated 1080p models from yesteryear. Am I alone in this observation?


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I’m curious. Since Tuan is admitting that this uses the TI 0.47 DMD XPR tech, I’m already concerned that this PJ isn’t an option. I’m making assumptions based on the fact that NONE of the .47 chipped projectors have shown an acceptable input lag time for gaming. I’m actually somewhat baffled that none of the current crop of 4K projectors, regardless of method, have even attempted to pander the the gamer base. With the new console wars moving WELL into 4K territory (even before a lot of other content providers), this on its face seems like a major misstep.

When looking for a gaming projector, there are only a couple that aim to take the market share, and they are outdated 1080p models from yesteryear. Am I alone in this observation?


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I don’t think it’s the dmd to blame, it’s probably the control board that’s to blame. Hopefully who ever makes them (TI or the Manufacturer I’m not sure) improves this. I use a computer monitor with my PS4 Pro at my desk. I prefer this over my projector anyway.
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