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Sorry guys, didn't want to ignite a debate about screens again.

Let's focus on P1:
actually I have noticed that the EU version has better specs (3.200 lumens, 2.000.000:1 contrast) and bigger price (£3.999 tbc) so I have asked Optoma EU clarifications about it. Link below:
https://www.projectors.co.uk/optoma-...SAAEgLXe_D_BwE

Maybe the EU is the "Pro version" popped up on the Chinese website..?
Will keep you posted with their reply

I agree - I deleted a message of mine, originally posted in response to Mike. Apologies, Mike, I was viewing on my phone, and in retrospect, there are ripples there, especially at 1:15!!


It would be interesting to know whether the EU version truly has better specs, all right.


Waiting with bated breath, as I recently switched my deposit from the LG HU85LA to the Optoma P1....
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I agree - I deleted a message of mine, originally posted in response to Mike. Apologies, Mike, I was viewing on my phone, and in retrospect, there are ripples there, especially at 1:15!!


It would be interesting to know whether the EU version truly has better specs, all right.


Waiting with bated breath, as I recently switched my deposit from the LG HU85LA to the Optoma P1....

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Sorry guys, didn't want to ignite a debate about screens again.

Let's focus on P1:
actually I have noticed that the EU version has better specs (3.200 lumens, 2.000.000:1 contrast) and bigger price (£3.999 tbc) so I have asked Optoma EU clarifications about it. Link below:
https://www.projectors.co.uk/optoma-...SAAEgLXe_D_BwE

Maybe the EU is the "Pro version" popped up on the Chinese website..?
Will keep you posted with their reply
WTF??? 1500USD more expensive than the US model? This is a joke, right? Why on earth should we pay 1500USD more than our american friends? Just because of 200 lumens?
If the german one is the same price I'll pass on this one. That's nearly a Xiaomi Mijia 4K more expensive. Why would they do that?
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@copperfield74 I know mate, it's a scandal! It's actually $1600 more for a slight more pumped unit...not worth it! And they blame different warranty and taxes fares...right!

Hope Optoma EU gets this right and align with U.S. price or it's just more convenient to fly over U.S. grab one and come back!
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@copperfield74 I know mate, it's a scandal! It's actually $1600 more for a slight more pumped unit...not worth it! And they blame different warranty and taxes fares...right!

Hope Optoma EU gets this right and align with U.S. price or it's just more convenient to fly over U.S. grab one and come back! [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
@Gae80uk so they have to raise the price because of the warranty??? Well, off they don't believe in their product why should I? The warranty in Germany is 2 years, and they say that it should be good for around 20000 hours (around 7-8 years depending on usage). If they're not lying it should be no risk for them if they'd believe in their product.
I'll accompany you on the trip to US. 😉
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Video posted by ProjectorPeople... all these clips popping up have me impatient for a real, in-depth review video or write-up...

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Video posted by ProjectorPeople... all these clips popping up have me impatient for a real, in-depth review video or write-up...



https://youtu.be/vyv-eqjY1A8


Has me a little concerned. Usually, if a company imposes a gag order on reviews prior to launch it’s not a good sign. And if you still don’t see a review for weeks or months post launch you pretty much know there are serious issues. The newest offerings from JVC and BenQ come to mind. Both had major QC issues initially and nobody reviewed them until at least a month after they had been on sale. This was incredibly odd to me considering they were some of the most anticipated projectors in years. I would much rather them delay, than let early adopters pay to beta test. I truly hope my hunch Is wrong on this.
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Video posted by ProjectorPeople... all these clips popping up have me impatient for a real, in-depth review video or write-up...

https://youtu.be/vyv-eqjY1A8
I really want to hear how truly quiet it is... Looking great!

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Yeah, I feel you mate...picture quality looks very good compared to any UST pj in this price range, even with the LG one.

I believe we will start seeing many other test/reviews next week onwards when it is released

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The LG UST Laser projector shown in CES for less than $3000 has two lasers ...
I think the price is 3k per laser.
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So CEDIA starts the 10th? Is that when we will start seeing some calibrated reviews and concrete info on the new projector lot? P1 lg85 jvc laser etc.?

Last time I checked Optoma wasn't on CEDIA's exhibitor list.


Went yesterday to the IFA booth which popped up with the search word "Optoma" but that was a dead end.


The Hisense UST laser projector presentation with the special ALR screen (which is also where the sound comes from) was very impressive at IFA (probably this year's highlight) but IIRC it's rather expensive at 15,000 $.

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This new XY floor rising ALR screen looks quite ripple-free to me
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Elite will be releasing their 100" floor rising Kestrel UST ALR which will be available via a select ProjectorScreen reseller in mid October and then rolled out to other vendors in December along with the 120" size.

The 100" will sell for $3,999 MSRP; not sure about the 120" yet.

I will post more details in the Screens sub once available.

I expect it to be a pretty big step up from Vividstorm in terms of performance, flatness and construction.
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Has me a little concerned. Usually, if a company imposes a gag order on reviews prior to launch it’s not a good sign. And if you still don’t see a review for weeks or months post launch you pretty much know there are serious issues. The newest offerings from JVC and BenQ come to mind. Both had major QC issues initially and nobody reviewed them until at least a month after they had been on sale. This was incredibly odd to me considering they were some of the most anticipated projectors in years. I would much rather them delay, than let early adopters pay to beta test. I truly hope my hunch Is wrong on this.
In regards to the Optoma; they have what they call an "embargo" on releasing of information until a date that they determine. In this case it was 9/3. You aren't seeing any in depth reviews of the P1 as the only units that were circulating were pre-production units.
Once they start shipping (expected next week), final versions will be in peoples hands and then you should expect to start seeing the more robust reviews.
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Just wondering if anyone has a budget option for screens. Looking at something from amazon.ca since I have a dark theater room with very little light. Should I get a non alr screen for now or use my dark wall and save for a xyz alr screen? Thanks inadvance as people are saying I can get a $200 screen and its decent?
It may be decent for brightness, but it wont resolve 4k pixels due to the surface texture.
In a dark room, we tested the P1 on the Grandview UHD130 surface. It is the least expensive, legit 4k surface and is also ISF certified.
The image looked fantastic, head to head against the SI Short Throw surface.... until we turned on the lights. with the lights on the white UHD130 surface was (as expected) totally washed out, while the SI short throw surface still looked great.

Long story short, in a dark theater room a traditional white screen will look great. As a TV replacement in a moderate/highly lit room, go for a UST ALR.
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Last time I checked Optoma wasn't on CEDIA's exhibitor list.


Went yesterday to the IFA booth which popped up with the search word "Optoma" but that was a dead end.


The Hisense UST laser projector presentation with the special ALR screen (which is also where the sound comes from) was very impressive at IFA (probably this year's highlight) but IIRC it's rather expensive at 15,000 $.

Did you see the new epson LS500 UST on their booth ? Would like to know how it perform.
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Difficult to say because it was difficult to see. Hisense used an ALR screen, Epson did not and therefore the image looked somewhat washed out. Better to wait for tests in an optimal environment.

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The Hisense UST laser projector presentation with the special ALR screen (which is also where the sound comes from) was very impressive at IFA (probably this year's highlight) but IIRC it's rather expensive at 15,000 $.
I'm real interested in how the sound is coming from the screen on this model. I'm familiar with their current USA models with the integrated audio int he projector and wireless sub but nothign that has audio coming from the screen. I gotta give me contact at Hisense a call.....
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Elite will be releasing their 100" floor rising Kestrel UST ALR which will be available via a select ProjectorScreen reseller in mid October and then rolled out to other vendors in December along with the 120" size.

The 100" will sell for $3,999 MSRP; not sure about the 120" yet.

I will post more details in the Screens sub once available.

I expect it to be a pretty big step up from Vividstorm in terms of performance, flatness and construction.
Ah that's great, I doubt there will be any takers to drop $4k on a 100" screen... when P1 is even less then that

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Ah that's great, I doubt there will be any takers to drop $4k on a 100" screen... when P1 is even less then that
There may not be many, but I think there will be a few? How many people buy Ferraris?

I think the attraction for this screen will be where having a permanent 100" screen is not desireable, or feasible. For example, we are using a floor riser in front of a window (regular drop-down screen won't fit between wooden beams in our warehouse condo), so here, this screen would be perfect. There is no way we could mount a screen that size, without blocking the window.

There definitely is that element of a law of diminishing returns - it'll be expensive, no doubt, but there will be takers, for sure.

I'm in, Brian. Thanks for the update!
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Ah that's great, I doubt there will be any takers to drop $4k on a 100" screen... when P1 is even less then that
Maybe not for the P1, but there are more premium (and expensive) USTs available and will also be in the future. It's also about $1600 less expensive than the SI SOlo Pro 2 w/ Short Throw surface (wall/ceiling mounted electric).
I can only imagine that there would be a bundle deal available on this screen and the P1, HU85LA, etc to bring that cost below $3,999......
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Last time I checked Optoma wasn't on CEDIA's exhibitor list.


Went yesterday to the IFA booth which popped up with the search word "Optoma" but that was a dead end.


The Hisense UST laser projector presentation with the special ALR screen (which is also where the sound comes from) was very impressive at IFA (probably this year's highlight) but IIRC it's rather expensive at 15,000 $.
We will have reps at the ADI Global booth. A P1 will be on display there.
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There may not be many, but I think there will be a few? How many people buy Ferraris?

I think the attraction for this screen will be where having a permanent 100" screen is not desireable, or feasible. For example, we are using a floor riser in front of a window (regular drop-down screen won't fit between wooden beams in our warehouse condo), so here, this screen would be perfect. There is no way we could mount a screen that size, without blocking the window.

There definitely is that element of a law of diminishing returns - it'll be expensive, no doubt, but there will be takers, for sure.

I'm in, Brian. Thanks for the update!
You are missing the point. Who is shopping for P1 doesn't care for $4k 100" screen. Perhaps try selling this in another thread for $15k projector, that will be your "Ferrari" crowd

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You are missing the point. Who is shopping for P1 doesn't care for $4k 100" screen. Perhaps try selling this in another thread for $15k projector, that will be your "Ferrari" crowd
Please. Just stop.

Why wouldn't you plan ahead? Buy the screen, with the intent of upgrading your projector at some time in the future... and you are completely wrong. I am cross-shopping the P1/HU85LA to pair with this screen, so your assumption (again, assuming that your opinion is omniscient, and all-encompassing.... ) that "who is shopping for P1 doesn't care for $4k 100" screen" is obviously wrong.

Why wouldn't someone buy the screen initially? It makes sense, as it may well be built-in. Then, if and when one decides that technology has advanced far enough to upgrade your projector, then you are good to go.

So, please, I shall re-iterate. Just. Stop. Please. Your opinion is just that. You know what they say about opinions..... Please consider that others might have their OWN opinions, that are just as valid as yours. Thanks.
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Please. Just stop.

Why wouldn't you plan ahead? Buy the screen, with the intent of upgrading your projector at some time in the future... and you are completely wrong. I am cross-shopping the P1/HU85LA to pair with this screen, so your assumption (again, assuming that your opinion is omniscient, and all-encompassing.... ) that "who is shopping for P1 doesn't care for $4k 100" screen" is obviously wrong.

Why wouldn't someone buy the screen initially? It makes sense, as it may well be built-in. Then, if and when one decides that technology has advanced far enough to upgrade your projector, then you are good to go.

So, please, I shall re-iterate. Just. Stop. Please. Your opinion is just that. You know what they say about opinions..... Please consider that others might have their OWN opinions, that are just as valid as yours. Thanks.
Welcome to the internet, it's full of opinions. Should everyone put IMHO in front of every opinion?

IMHO 100" screen for $4k is a huge waste of money, motorized or not.
Also IMHO, $500 fixed screen will be just as awesome with P1.
Also IMHO, you have some serious problems with others opinions about expensive screens.

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You are missing the point. Who is shopping for P1 doesn't care for $4k 100" screen. Perhaps try selling this in another thread for $15k projector, that will be your "Ferrari" crowd


Thank you for saying what I was thinking. Besides it’s not like where talking about a super car here. One is truly a marvel of engineering and a result of over a 100 years and billions of dollars of engineering. On the other hand it’s essentially a really big picture frame. I would be shocked if they weren’t all coming from the same factory anyway.
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Guys, if someone wanna spend $200 or $20000 for a screen is up to them.

It's about time to get excited about P1 being released next week so less judgements, more fun!
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Guys, if someone wanna spend $200 or $20000 for a screen is up to them.

It's about time to get excited about P1 being released next week so less judgements, more fun!
Is there an actual concrete release date? That would be great! I switched my deposit from the P1 to the LG, but I truly think that you cannot lose with either. The deciding factor for me, was that in our situation, the shorter throw of the LG was the deciding factor. 3D and the black colour was almost enough to tip the balance the other way.

Second guessing sucks, haha
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not the $3k price gap?

Honestly if the price is not a blocker, I will consider LG for the fantastic OS, native 4K apps, picture quality and blacks...but the P1 looks like a winner in a cost/effective head to head

Let's see!

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Is there an actual concrete release date? That would be great! I switched my deposit from the P1 to the LG, but I truly think that you cannot lose with either. The deciding factor for me, was that in our situation, the shorter throw of the LG was the deciding factor. 3D and the black colour was almost enough to tip the balance the other way.

Second guessing sucks, haha
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Oh god, yes!! Price was definitely a factor, but for some reason, the pricing I got in Canada was MUCH more favourable!

(Eastporters for the win!! 😄 )

The difference ended up being CDN $2100, which is about five cents US hahaha.

That made the decision much easier. If I had had to choose, with a US$3000 difference, I would have gone with the P1, I am thinking.

Either way, I am still very curious about how the P1 will shake out. I was thinking there would be more full-on reviews by now?!?


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Honestly if the price is not a blocker, I will consider LG for the fantastic OS, native 4K apps, picture quality and blacks...but the P1 looks like a winner in a cost/effective head to head

Let's see!

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Second guessing sucks, haha
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Is there an actual concrete release date? That would be great! I switched my deposit from the P1 to the LG, but I truly think that you cannot lose with either. The deciding factor for me, was that in our situation, the shorter throw of the LG was the deciding factor. 3D and the black colour was almost enough to tip the balance the other way.

Second guessing sucks, haha
Amazon listed preorder to be released on October 1 and they are usually pretty good about it. I will wait until you guys get it though and review it. Hoping it's as quiet as they say it is at 26 db and I can get rid of noisy Xiaomi once and for all

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