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Amazon listed preorder to be released on October 1 and they are usually pretty good about it. I will wait until you guys get it though and review it. Hoping it's as quiet as they say it is at 26 db and I can get rid of noisy Xiaomi once and for all
The P1 will be shipping from more boutique dealers as early as next week.
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Quick question. I know this is basic, but I've never used a UST projector and am truly a newbie to this world. I have had a dedicated theater room for years, but always with the PJ on the other end of the room. I have a fixed screen but it is an odd size, like 112" I believe. I keep reading people either going 100" or 120" for their screens. Are these necessary sizes due to some kind of limitation, or is it as simple as physically moving the projector further back until I can fill a 112" screen. Thanks.
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Quick question. I know this is basic, but I've never used a UST projector and am truly a newbie to this world. I have had a dedicated theater room for years, but always with the PJ on the other end of the room. I have a fixed screen but it is an odd size, like 112" I believe. I keep reading people either going 100" or 120" for their screens. Are these necessary sizes due to some kind of limitation, or is it as simple as physically moving the projector further back until I can fill a 112" screen. Thanks.
You just move a few inches to get the size you need to fit your screen, but you will most likely need to adjust the height of your furniture where you going to place that UST.

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Quick question. I know this is basic, but I've never used a UST projector and am truly a newbie to this world. I have had a dedicated theater room for years, but always with the PJ on the other end of the room. I have a fixed screen but it is an odd size, like 112" I believe. I keep reading people either going 100" or 120" for their screens. Are these necessary sizes due to some kind of limitation, or is it as simple as physically moving the projector further back until I can fill a 112" screen. Thanks.

Combination of physical placement and digital zoom should get you to 112"
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Oh god, yes!! Price was definitely a factor, but for some reason, the pricing I got in Canada was MUCH more favourable!

(Eastporters for the win!! 😄 )

The difference ended up being CDN $2100, which is about five cents US hahaha.

That made the decision much easier. If I had had to choose, with a US$3000 difference, I would have gone with the P1, I am thinking.

Either way, I am still very curious about how the P1 will shake out. I was thinking there would be more full-on reviews by now?!?


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not the $3k price gap? [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

Honestly if the price is not a blocker, I will consider LG for the fantastic OS, native 4K apps, picture quality and blacks...but the P1 looks like a winner in a cost/effective head to head

Let's see!

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Is there an actual concrete release date? That would be great! I switched my deposit from the P1 to the LG, but I truly think that you cannot lose with either. The deciding factor for me, was that in our situation, the shorter throw of the LG was the deciding factor. 3D and the black colour was almost enough to tip the balance the other way.

Second guessing sucks, haha
So you got lg for CDN $2100 more? I'm really thinking if Im making the right decision with going p1. The lack of information really scares me, and I look at LG side, there's tons of information there...
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So you got lg for CDN $2100 more? I'm really thinking if Im making the right decision with going p1. The lack of information really scares me, and I look at LG side, there's tons of information there...
LG one was out for couple month now, P1 is not even released yet... Within a month we'll see plenty of info and I bet comparison between LG and P1 will be as well

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So you got lg for CDN $2100 more? I'm really thinking if Im making the right decision with going p1. The lack of information really scares me, and I look at LG side, there's tons of information there...
Yes, the percentage reduction on the LG was far greater for the LG than it was for the Optoma. I'm not sure I won't get a slap on the wrist for quoting pricing in exact numbers (I kind of quoted pricing already, haha)

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LG one was out for couple month now, P1 is not even released yet... Within a month we'll see plenty of info and I bet comparison between LG and P1 will be as well
Yes, that's right. LG has been out for a couple months, and it's just now that we're really getting comprehensive reviews, so I would think that it will be the same for the Optoma.

Lots of people waiting with bated breath!
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So the first German dealer put a price label out. The MSRP is 3995Euros (around 4412 USD). That's around 300 Euros more than I hoped for, but 500 Euros less than I feared. So it's still on the table to be bought in October.
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i would like to see the p1 next to my optoma zh400ust and see the difference in picture quality I love my ust . but if im get a way better picture then I currently do id make the purchase absolutely . i might wait and see the reviews first though .
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Just placed my pre-order with projectorscreen .com.

But now I have more of a technical support question if anybody might be able to help?

I have a Harmony Elite Hub set up to use with my Google Home and Google Assistant. As I suspected on logitech‘s website the Optoma Cinemax P1 is not on their compatibility list yet. I know typically you can set the remote and hub to learn IR codes to resolve this. But reading further from what I understand it looks like the Optoma is powered by Bluetooth connectivity to its remote. Does anyone have the Harmony Hub where they have successfully added a power on/power off option via Bluetooth connection to some other unknown device? Otherwise I guess it’s another waiting game to see when Logitech decides to get it added.
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Looks like there's a built in media player for USB devices. Probably have to wait and see, but I'm wondering what format drive it will recognize. Mac OS extended hopefully. exFAT? FAT32 would be a problem with it's 4gb file size limit. We only have Mac's here.
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So the first German dealer put a price label out. The MSRP is 3995Euros (around 4412 USD). That's around 300 Euros more than I hoped for, but 500 Euros less than I feared. So it's still on the table to be bought in October.

I think you need to consider that the German price already includes 19% VAT, the US MSRP price is without sales tax (also ein Nettopreis)

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Looks like the price on amazon.ca just jumped up $500 from $3999.99 canadian to 4499.99 i’m guessing people that ordered at $3999.99 will get to keep that price
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So the first German dealer put a price label out. The MSRP is 3995Euros (around 4412 USD). That's around 300 Euros more than I hoped for, but 500 Euros less than I feared. So it's still on the table to be bought in October.

I think you need to consider that the German price already includes 19% VAT, the US MSRP price is without sales tax (also ein Nettopreis) [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]
Hi @Frank714 ,
of course I included the taxes in my calculation. If we take the US price and just include the 19% we have a price of 3925 USD, which equals 3560 Euros. So we pay 430 Euros above the US price +VAT.
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Guys, a quick one about P1 short throw distance:

if i got this right, to get a 120" picture you need to place the pj 14.5 inches (37 cms) away from the wall/screen.
Since the pj is 15 inches deep, we are looking at 29,5 inches (75 cms!) desk/credenza surface?

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Guys, a quick one about P1 short throw distance:

if i got this right, to get a 120" picture you need to place the pj 14.5 inches (37 cms) away from the wall/screen.
Since the pj is 15 inches deep, we are looking at 29,5 inches (75 cms!) desk/credenza surface?

:O

According to the throw calculator on projectorcentral .com, they say it is 26" from screen to lens, with a 0.25 throw ratio - don't know if that helps? 29.5" seems high to me? (The higher throw ratio is what made me switch my deposit from the P1 to the LG).

Also, did anyone just now get an email from Optoma offering a $200 VISA gift voucher for an Amazon review? (I submitted my email to their web site to be updated regarding any further information).
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According to the throw calculator on projectorcentral .com, they say it is 26" from screen to lens, with a 0.25 throw ratio - don't know if that helps? 29.5" seems high to me? (The higher throw ratio is what made me switch my deposit from the P1 to the LG).



Also, did anyone just now get an email from Optoma offering a $200 VISA gift voucher for an Amazon review? (I submitted my email to their web site to be updated regarding any further information).


Thanks for the heads up. I checked and email and I got the same email. I also signed up on he website.


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Guys, a quick one about P1 short throw distance:

if i got this right, to get a 120" picture you need to place the pj 14.5 inches (37 cms) away from the wall/screen.
Since the pj is 15 inches deep, we are looking at 29,5 inches (75 cms!) desk/credenza surface?

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That's what I figured. The data sheet has a diagram that shows 14.5" from the screen for a 120". I built a small stand 32.5" so it can go against the wall. A couple extra inches for the screen thickness. If it doesn't need to be that far from the wall, I'll cut some of it off.
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I was looking forward to this unit, but that is a deal breaker to me. My 6' long stand is only 22" deep. I would think most people wouldn't want their stand sticking into the room 30".



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That's what I figured. The data sheet has a diagram that shows 14.5" from the screen for a 120". I built a small stand 32.5" so it can go against the wall. A couple extra inches for the screen thickness. If it doesn't need to be that far from the wall, I'll cut some of it off.
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I was looking forward to this unit, but that is a deal breaker to me. My 6' long stand is only 22" deep. I would think most people wouldn't want their stand sticking into the room 30".
Yeah, that's understandable. I've got a lot of room in front of the coffee table and the stand I made is 32.5" out from the wall, 31" wide and only 4" tall. That puts the center of the screen about 48" off the floor.
If I can I'll shorten up the 32.5" dimension after it's set up.
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I was looking forward to this unit, but that is a deal breaker to me. My 6' long stand is only 22" deep. I would think most people wouldn't want their stand sticking into the room 30".
It's a nature of most if not all USTs, especially if you want larger then 100" image. So you have to modify stand by adding extended platform, get a deeper stand or come up with some other alternative solution. In my case I've gotten rid of the stand entirely and put it on a moving platform which is 3 inches from the floor. I get 120" image at the height I want now. The plus side I can move this out of the way and free up space when needed, the downside it's not permanent setup

Ideally, I would like something like this. Where UST sits low and you can extend this. Shouldn't be too difficult to modify existing stands.


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It's a nature of most if not all USTs, especially if you want larger then 100" image. So you have to modify stand by adding extended platform, get a deeper stand or come up with some other alternative solution. In my case I've gotten rid of the stand entirely and put it on a moving platform which is 3 inches from the floor. I get 120" image at the height I want now. The plus side I can move this out of the way and free up space when needed, the downside it's not permanent setup

Ideally, I would like something like this. Where UST sits low and you can extend this. Shouldn't be too difficult to modify existing stands.

Aegis makes a great cabinet, but it costs more than the P1.
https://aegisav.com/product/prometheus/
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Aegis makes a great cabinet, but it costs more than the P1.
https://aegisav.com/product/prometheus/
This reminds me of the time when we were just starting out with thin flat TVs which were already expensive and finding cheap furniture designed for them was limited. Same story repeats as we transition to USTs, expensive stands and ALR screens but give it a few years and Walmart will get us covered.

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Hi there,

Anyone have any news on the distance I would need from the bottom of the projector to the p1 if I wanted 120 inch screen? Is there a link to this information somewhere or are we all guessing here?
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Anyone have any news on the distance I would need from the bottom of the projector to the p1 if I wanted 120 inch screen? Is there a link to this information somewhere or are we all guessing here?
I believe it's the screen height x .24. For a 120" screen (59"x.24) Just over 14" from the surface the P1's sitting on to the bottom of the image on the screen. The feet are adjustable too.
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I was looking forward to this unit, but that is a deal breaker to me. My 6' long stand is only 22" deep. I would think most people wouldn't want their stand sticking into the room 30".
It's a nature of most if not all USTs, especially if you want larger then 100" image. So you have to modify stand by adding extended platform, get a deeper stand or come up with some other alternative solution. In my case I've gotten rid of the stand entirely and put it on a moving platform which is 3 inches from the floor. I get 120" image at the height I want now. The plus side I can move this out of the way and free up space when needed, the downside it's not permanent setup

Ideally, I would like something like this. Where UST sits low and you can extend this. Shouldn't be too difficult to modify existing stands.

Starting to think there's a market for a cabinet that you can adjust hight...
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Starting to think there's a market for a cabinet that you can adjust hight...


I saw somewhere someone used a electronically height adjustable monitor stand for their UST. It had a wired remote.
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I have been talking with another of the forum members, knolly - he has managed to find umpteen examples of UST projector cabinets, with motorized shelves, motorized doors to protect the projector, and other very funky options.... it would seem that China, a country of people who have been early adopters of UST (perhaps due to the limited space in their homes?) are way ahead of North America for this kind of stuff.

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=597166363640

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=599518895339

These are just a couple of examples of cabinets that he has been able to find. Lots of funky stuff.


I am digging this one, with a floor riser screen built-in, and a motorized drawer that is controlled by Apple Home/Siri:

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I am digging this one, with a floor riser screen built-in, and a motorized drawer that is controlled by Apple Home/Siri:

https://youtu.be/3ivzWJeLOig
oh that would be perfect. built in rise up screen with extendable shelf.

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oh that would be perfect. built in rise up screen with extendable shelf.

No kidding. Kudos to @Knolly - amazing internet research skills.
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