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That's an amazingly tiny screen for such a large investment. Hopefully it was just proof of concept.

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I am digging this one, with a floor riser screen built-in, and a motorized drawer that is controlled by Apple Home/Siri:
any concerns with fully enclosed cabinets? Seems like there's got to be issues with heat, no?
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any concerns with fully enclosed cabinets? Seems like there's got to be issues with heat, no?
Many of these custom cabinets have supplemental fans built-in, negating that issue. Otherwise, I would be concerned, as well!
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Allright, so on top of expensive projectors, screens, now we need to spend another $2-3k for a tactical credenza?
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Allright, so on top of expensive projectors, screens, now we need to spend another $2-3k for a tactical credenza? [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
We are at the tip of a new market for this and wth time and demand the whole package will be more affordable.

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Allright, so on top of expensive projectors, screens, now we need to spend another $2-3k for a tactical credenza?
Unless you're a cheapskate like me. Paints still wet, should be flat black when it dries.
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Unless you're a cheapskate like me. Paints still wet, should be flat black when it dries.
What's that?

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What's that?
That's my cheap projector and center channel stand. As opposed to a 2 or $3000 credenza.
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PLEASE don't shoot the messenger.... P1 expected ship date is now pushed back to 9/24.

I was just told this by my Optoma rep a couple of minutes ago.

My belief if that they want to make sure they all updated with most current firmware and ready to be released as "bulletproof" considering that they have a big campaign out there to compensate people to leave reviews for the projector online.

It is possible that the date could change again, but this is where we are at as of today.
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PLEASE don't shoot the messenger.... P1 expected ship date is now pushed back to 9/24.

I was just told this by my Optoma rep a couple of minutes ago.

My belief if that they want to make sure they all updated with most current firmware and ready to be released as "bulletproof" considering that they have a big campaign out there to compensate people to leave reviews for the projector online.

It is possible that the date could change again, but this is where we are at as of today.
That's OK, I'll just stare at an empty wall in despair......Just kiddin'
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Allright, so on top of expensive projectors, screens, now we need to spend another $2-3k for a tactical credenza? [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
Unless you're a cheapskate like me. Paints still wet, should be flat black when it dries.


Can you post more pics and dimensions? Thanks!
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PLEASE don't shoot the messenger.... P1 expected ship date is now pushed back to 9/24.



I was just told this by my Optoma rep a couple of minutes ago.



My belief if that they want to make sure they all updated with most current firmware and ready to be released as "bulletproof" considering that they have a big campaign out there to compensate people to leave reviews for the projector online.



It is possible that the date could change again, but this is where we are at as of today.
Well that's a bit of a bummer! But a BIG thanks for at least letting us know and continuing to keep us in the loop.

Aside from the side-by-side comparison with the LG Cinebeam, did you happen to take any lights-on viewing pictures while you had the P1?

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Can you post more pics and dimensions? Thanks!
Yeah, I'll post some pictures tomorrow before I put another coat of paint on it. I'll flip it over so you can see how it's put together. It's 32.5" out from the wall, 31" wide to fit my oversized center channel and 4" tall to make the center of a 120" screen about 48" off the floor.
After it's set up I may be able to cut some of that 32.5" dimension off so it doesn't stick out on the floor any farther than necessary.
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It's a nature of most if not all USTs, especially if you want larger then 100" image. So you have to modify stand by adding extended platform, get a deeper stand or come up with some other alternative solution. In my case I've gotten rid of the stand entirely and put it on a moving platform which is 3 inches from the floor. I get 120" image at the height I want now. The plus side I can move this out of the way and free up space when needed, the downside it's not permanent setup

Ideally, I would like something like this. Where UST sits low and you can extend this. Shouldn't be too difficult to modify existing stands.

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Due to the dearth of low profile stands that would allow for a center speaker and UST I had one custom made for around $450 ($160 in materials) . I have a 5.5" platform for my center speaker which sits behind a 3" platform for my Fengmi 4K Cinema and 120" screen. I think 3 inches is perfect for most people looking for 120". I made it wide enough (36") and deep enough to allow for a change to a P1 or upgrade in the future. The projector platform also slides in and out under the speaker platform if needed.

Honestly if you're looking at a large fixed screen I don't see how you can do it without going custom or something more expensive than your projector. The 100" setups on taller stands have been closer but still put the screen too high for an optimal viewer height of 1/3 screen height.
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It's a nature of most if not all USTs, especially if you want larger then 100" image. So you have to modify stand by adding extended platform, get a deeper stand or come up with some other alternative solution. In my case I've gotten rid of the stand entirely and put it on a moving platform which is 3 inches from the floor. I get 120" image at the height I want now. The plus side I can move this out of the way and free up space when needed, the downside it's not permanent setup

Ideally, I would like something like this. Where UST sits low and you can extend this. Shouldn't be too difficult to modify existing stands.

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Due to the dearth of low profile stands that would allow for a center speaker and UST I had one custom made for around $450 ($160 in materials) . I have a 5.5" platform for my center speaker which sits behind a 3" platform for my Fengmi 4K Cinema and 120" screen. I think 3 inches is perfect for most people looking for 120". I made it wide enough (36") and deep enough to allow for a change to a P1 or upgrade in the future. The projector platform also slides in and out under the speaker platform if needed.

Honestly if you're looking at a large fixed screen I don't see how you can do it without going custom or something more expensive than your projector. The 100" setups on taller stands have been closer but still put the screen too high for an optimal viewer height of 1/3 screen height.

Hi Casey can you please post a few pics on how this looks? I was always wondering if I could put the center speaker behind the and above the ust. Thanks!
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PLEASE don't shoot the messenger.... P1 expected ship date is now pushed back to 9/24.

I was just told this by my Optoma rep a couple of minutes ago.

My belief if that they want to make sure they all updated with most current firmware and ready to be released as "bulletproof" considering that they have a big campaign out there to compensate people to leave reviews for the projector online.

It is possible that the date could change again, but this is where we are at as of today. <img src="https://www.avsforum.com/forum/images/AVSForum/smilies/tango_face_sad.png" border="0" alt="" title="Frown" class="inlineimg" />
Is it just me who is getting worried about this?
Most of people who have seen this device say it good for the price, not really what I want to hear from projector priced 3x of my current projector...
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Well that's a bit of a bummer! But a BIG thanks for at least letting us know and continuing to keep us in the loop.

Aside from the side-by-side comparison with the LG Cinebeam, did you happen to take any lights-on viewing pictures while you had the P1?

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I have a couple pics but they are really not that good. I have like 100+ footcandles of light shining right on the screen from the top and sides; we wanted to see how the UST surface looked in the most unrealistic lighting conditions possible.

Settings were right out of the box with no calibration.

We've got a much better demo setup ready with various surfaces types and lighting conditions for when the P1 comes in and will be posting images the day they arrive
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Is it just me who is getting worried about this?
Most of people who have seen this device say it good for the price, not really what I want to hear from projector priced 3x of my current projector...
What would you want to hear? that it's NOT good for the price? j/k

It is a good unit regardless of the price, but when you factor in how much less it is than the LG, it really has a great value proposition, ESPECIALLY if you want to use the audio.

Before I was told about the push-back on release date, my coworkers were talking about how this "better not be another JVC debacle" but I don't think it will. Besides, the new JVC units were worth the wait

From what I understand the units are already here in the USA and are going through firmware upgrades before they ship. There is nothing "wrong" with them; Optoma just wants to have a bulletproof launch especially since they are compensating heavily for people to leave reviews on their site.

I'm not sure if they are going to require reviewers to provide proof of purchase ("verified reviews") but if they do it's a nice rebate for those who pre-ordered.

Optoma will be posting more details regarding that soon as well.
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I have a couple pics but they are really not that good. I have like 100+ footcandles of light shining right on the screen from the top and sides; we wanted to see how the UST surface looked in the most unrealistic lighting conditions possible.



Settings were right out of the box with no calibration.



We've got a much better demo setup ready with various surfaces types and lighting conditions for when the P1 comes in and will be posting images the day they arrive
Is that a CLR screen for USTs or a ALR screen for other types of projectors?

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Amazon release date hasn't changed, besides Optoma wants you to buy it from Amazon and pay you 200 for a review. I would be concerned with that then a pushed release date. Why would they openly offer this.
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Amazon release date hasn't changed, besides Optoma wants you to buy it from Amazon and pay you 200 for a review. I would be concerned with that then a pushed release date. Why would they openly offer this.
They will also pay you for the review on their own website as well. I don't think they specifically want you to buy it at Amazon instead of other dealers; they prob make less money selling it to Amazon than smaller places and are have to deal with much worse return issues. They know that Amazon is a resource that people go to for reviews on products specifically, so getting a lot of reviews there (hopefully positive) will lift sales in all channels.

I believe the push date is due to the fact they are investing so heavily; $200 x 200 reviews (+ all the extras that come in after the first 200) = $40,000. I would expect that they want to be sure that those reviews are good ones.

They must really want to gain ground quickly to invest $40k in review gathering alone.
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That was an ALR for UST projectors. If that was a standard throw ALR or regular white screen you would see anything on it.
Keep in mind, the amount of light hitting that screen was out of control and way brighter than my living room could ever be with all lights on.

Grab a light meter app for your phone that measures in Footcandles. Take some readings where the screen is/would be. If you are at 100+, get some sunglasses.

When we post our next round of pics we will show different lighting and provide FC reading for each pic so you can see what more closely resembles your rooms lighting condition.
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Hi all, I am really interested of buying Optoma P1 for my first projector. Currently I have 65” LG OLED on my living room and planning to replace it by 100” ARL screen. How is the picture quality compared to OLED during normal daylight? I usually watch TV by day and movies by evening on quite dark room.
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@ProjectionHead thanks for all these sneak pics/info...it looks like October might be a more realistic release date..another couple of months and it's Xmas! :P
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@ProjectionHead , the P1 uses a color wheel, correct? If so, have you noticed any RBE's?

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That was an ALR for UST projectors. If that was a standard throw ALR or regular white screen you would see anything on it.
Keep in mind, the amount of light hitting that screen was out of control and way brighter than my living room could ever be with all lights on.

Grab a light meter app for your phone that measures in Footcandles. Take some readings where the screen is/would be. If you are at 100+, get some sunglasses.

When we post our next round of pics we will show different lighting and provide FC reading for each pic so you can see what more closely resembles your rooms lighting condition.

How many footcandels should I have if I want to use a regular screen instead of a alr screen? I know alr screens are the way to go but if I have a man cave can I get away with a regular screen? Let me know your thoughts!
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Can you post more pics and dimensions? Thanks!
Here's a couple more pictures. 32 1/2"x31"x4"

There's also a picture of my previous stand to be disposed of. Anyone need a stand for a Mitsubishi 92" HDTV?.......didn't think so.
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[quote=Kdub69;58556578]How many footcandels should I have if I want to use a regular screen instead of a alr screen? I know alr screens are the way to go but if I have a man cave can I get away with a regular screen? Let me know your thoughts![/quote @ProjectionHead would probably be the best to answer that question. Although I can tell you from my own experience when I had on ALR screen dedicated to all types of projectors rather than ones dedicated to UST projectors, since the projection is cast in an upward fashion other types of screens will tend to reflect the image on to the ceiling as well as the screen. Here's a photo of a prime example. Where this screen tends to reflect a ALR UST made screen will capture the light and not reflect it upward.

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How do these ust projectors work with an anamorphic screen? My assumption is that they simply letterbox inside the 16:9 area and never use the wide 2.35 portion of the screen. I don't recall mention of optical zoom that most "normal" 4k projectors use and they clearly wouldn't work with anamorphic lenses. I have a 136" diagonal 2.35 screen with a 110" diagonal 16:9 center with an Epson 5040 projector overhead. Having a UST nearer the screen is attractive for many reasons, but I fear it's not feasible with scope screens.

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How many footcandels should I have if I want to use a regular screen instead of a alr screen? I know alr screens are the way to go but if I have a man cave can I get away with a regular screen? Let me know your thoughts![/quote @ProjectionHead would probably be the best to answer that question. Although I can tell you from my own experience when I had on ALR screen dedicated to all types of projectors rather than ones dedicated to UST projectors, since the projection is cast in an upward fashion other types of screens will tend to reflect the image on to the ceiling as well as the screen. Here's a photo of a prime example. Where this screen tends to reflect a ALR UST made screen will capture the light and not reflect it upward.

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You are absolutely correct. A traditional diffuse screen will bounce a lot of light upwards and onto the ceiling. Elunevision will be coming out with a non ALR surface that is intended to work with UST to prevent that from happening and ensuring uniform image brightness. This will not be available until Mid-October and will be released on ProjectorScreen.com first in the USA and Eastporters in Canada.

They will also be releasing a UST ALR surface at the same time and I will post info on both in the screens sub once we have our samples.
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