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Can this work on a 133" screen?
Technically it should work even on 150" but the brightness will be less than advertised.
My current Ultra Short Throw Laser projector (Xiaomi) works fine on my 150" screen.

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Technically it should work even on 150" but the brightness will be less than advertised.

My current Ultra Short Throw Laser projector (Xiaomi) works fine on my 150" screen.


Ceiling height needs to be taken in consideration too. My PX800HD has a slightly shorter throw .23:1 vs .25:1, 9’ ceilings, projector on top of an 18” console and my 120” screen is just 1” below my ceiling.
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Can this work on a 133" screen?
The press release only states up to 120", anything outside of that is pushing the limits of the hardware: bowing, distortion and out of focus elements are what you'd have to deal with.

@oni222 , the Xioami is actually rated up to 150", so it should be able to support that. The lenses and hardware setup for the Optoma are different and only rated up to 120".

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With very good 1080`s in the 6 to 8 hundred buck range and 4K`s in the 1200-2K range...…..the math just does pencil out on a laser one for me, maybe there is some performance metric I am over looking, but my 600 buck lamp based model looks very good......it is going to take a while to break even compared to a lasers costs up front...…..


I took about 5 minutes to change the bulb with a Philips screw driver and it was good as new again......I wonder what the reduction in lumens curve looks like on a laser and if 4 or 5 thousand hours of that 20k hour rating on the laser is at 80% lumens as new output.


I think they do pretty well up to the end of maintaining output, a bulb does slope off pretty good.....it just depends on what you want.


I am not anti laser and now that the prices have been coming down I am looking at them more and more.....but the math is not penciling out for my application at this time, for others it might fit and be perfect for their application.


Depending on application 20k hours might be a lifetime or a few years.....



I was just talking yesterday and a friend has some 15 year old 20K projector he wants to hook up, no HDMI and 4:3 output, is that even worth using now at all ? So at some point, no matter how many hours a lamp/laser lasts, it will not play current content...….


Just some things to mull over...…..I am super excited to see these new laser offerings and that the price is dropping more and more,,,....great times for sure !
I hope this helps because I can only speak about my experience.
I used a Xiaomi UST Laser projector for everything. I mean a good 7+ hours a day every day unless I take a vacation (and I have not for over 15 years).
According to my calculations I am well over the 10,000 hour mark and my projector (that I use as a 150" configuration) is performing the same way it has as day 1.
Now I have gotten my moneys worth ($1600) so even it died today I would be very happy with my purchase.

I plan on buying a new one soon hence why I am watching for the Optoma and LG UST projectors. If either of them uses HDMI 2.1 I will be buying in a heart beat.
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The press release only states up to 120", anything outside of that is pushing the limits of the hardware: bowing, distortion and out of focus elements are what you'd have to deal with.

@oni222 , the Xioami is actually rated up to 150", so it should be able to support that. The lenses and hardware setup for the Optoma are different and only rated up to 120".
How sad in that case I cannot use this projector.
To my understanding LG's model is only rated to 120" too so that means no upgrade this year for me

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How sad in that case I cannot use this projector.
To my understanding LG's model is only rated to 120" too so that means no upgrade this year for me
There are front laser projectors that would fit the bill, slightly more expensive but you could technically go up to 200"+.

Some of the ones I've researched:
  • Optoma UHZ65
  • Acer VL7850

Those are both under $4500 but they have others that are out of my price point that start at $7000 and go up.

Other than that, you can always get a bulb based 4K projector that would easily do 150"+ also, some of these options start off at about $1200 street.

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There are front laser projectors that would fit the bill, slightly more expensive but you could technically go up to 200"+.

Some of the ones I've researched:
  • Optoma UHZ65
  • Acer VL7850

Those are both under $4500 but they have others that are out of my price point that start at $7000 and go up.

Other than that, you can always get a bulb based 4K projector that would easily do 150"+ also, some of these options start off at about $1200 street.
I appreciate the help but I only care about Ultra Short Throw. Other projectors do not interest me in the least.

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How sad in that case I cannot use this projector.

To my understanding LG's model is only rated to 120" too so that means no upgrade this year for me


Xiaomi announced a 4k version of their projector. Can’t say for sure but I think it’s the throw range as it’s 1080p lineup.
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Xiaomi announced a 4k version of their projector. Can’t say for sure but I think it’s the throw range as it’s 1080p lineup.
You are correct but with all the same caveats as any other Chinese PJ manufacturer:

  • Getting it shipped to the US
  • Getting the menu converted to English
  • Google Play Store support
  • Regular customer service and support including warranty

It's not as bright as their previous offerings either, only 1500 lumens (vs 5000 & 7000).

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Optoma P1 4k Laser UST @ CES

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You are correct but with all the same caveats as any other Chinese PJ manufacturer:




  • Getting it shipped to the US
  • Getting the menu converted to English
  • Google Play Store support
  • Regular customer service and support including warranty



It's not as bright as their previous offerings either, only 1500 lumens (vs 5000 & 7000).



Forum link is here


Getting it shipped to the US, I have a felling this won't take long considering that they seem to have an existing relationship with Wall-Mart. Unless Wall-Mart has a huge back stock of the older model, even then they could mark up the 4K version to keep the older relevant.



The Wemax One came with an English menu option preinstalled on International versions, I can't see any reason not to do the same for the 4k version.



Google Play store can be easily installed via APK to circumvent Chinese censorship regulations.



I have a feeling Wall-Mart, ******** or Amazon/eBay(Via Square Trade) could provide some peace of mind.



Certainly riskier than the options from Optoma, LG, and ViewSonic. Although, if you need a UST that can do a 150" screen size in 4K, then this is the only option below $3,000.

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You are correct but with all the same caveats as any other Chinese PJ manufacturer:

  • Getting it shipped to the US
  • Getting the menu converted to English
  • Google Play Store support
  • Regular customer service and support including warranty

It's not as bright as their previous offerings either, only 1500 lumens (vs 5000 & 7000).

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The lumen numbers on the 1080 Xiaomi are confirmed after calibration In the 1300-1400 range. They took the inflated "at light source numbers" and went with those instead of just admitting that the actual ANSI lumens were as previously stated. So, the 4k model is obviously using real ANSI lumen numbers this time so they don't get bashed by people like me continuously online. So, the 4k units are probably around the same brightness as the 1080 models.
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I appreciate the help but I only care about Ultra Short Throw. Other projectors do not interest me in the least.
I forgot about another Chinese manufacturer, Vava (could be affiliated with Xiaomi), announced a 4K UST PJ you may be interested in. It costs $3500 and I started a thread about it here.
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You are correct but with all the same caveats as any other Chinese PJ manufacturer:

  • Getting it shipped to the US
  • Getting the menu converted to English
  • Google Play Store support
  • Regular customer service and support including warranty

It's not as bright as their previous offerings either, only 1500 lumens (vs 5000 & 7000).

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Honestly none of those are even close to a real negative. Getting the projector to English is as simple as plugging in a thumb drive. As for google play support I never would of used it even if it did have it.
I have better equipment plugged in the projector than any Smart TV or Smart Projector could possibly offer.

The Lumens is the only thing close to being a negative and in my environment that wont matter since I built a Cinema room that has no sources of light while watching TV/Playing games.

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I forgot about another Chinese manufacturer, Vava (could be affiliated with Xiaomi), announced a 4K UST PJ you may be interested in. It costs $3500 and I started a thread about it here.
Thank you for that.
I need to look into it further but you definitely provided me with some great options.

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Turned the lights out and this thing came to life! 👍😎
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Of all the UST's out there, this one seems to be the one.

To me at least.

Looking forward to seeing it in a private persons hands who then does a youtube review. Sooner or later I hope it does pop up on youtube.
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Better to wait for optoma p1 or get jmgo u1/sa now? What led unit would be second in line to one of these laser units?
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There are none, we already have a complete line up of standard throws - UHD50, UHD51A, UHD51ALV, UHD60, UHD65 and UHZ65 on the consumer side.
There's the ZK1050. Optoma UK/EU will launch it at ISE in two weeks. The US launch/introduction was this past summer at Infocomm, according to statements at that show it should be shipping now. Clearly based on the 10K/12K lumens MCL platforms Coretronic showed two years ago. So if you need a bit more lumens;-). These should also fit the UST angled lenses in case you need that, the 10K one one actually was shown with that lens at ISE 2017, the 12Ks were used for a blend. Optoma will do a blend with the 1050 at this year's show. As for the lower end, Optoma does indeed have a fairly comprehensive portfolio of 0.47 and 0.66 DMD projectors. UHZ65 is that considered a consumer product now, these were launched for the commercial market. Saw some virtual tabletops for restaurants last year at ISE, using these, and an tricked-out elevator door.

The p1 box looks different, the lumens are lower, and it is less expensive, so I presume a different platform than the earlier 0.66" DMD P3 demo unit. The Blue only laser phosphor version was picked up by Dell. Not many other's introduced a version of their own, not in blue only, mcl, or filtered mcl (p3). Not even JMGO and the other Chinese vendors that marketed the 1080P versions before seem to have picked it as the basis for their products, or have i just missed them?

Ah that JMGO U1/SA is an Appotronic (also supplies the Hisense) projector.

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Any idea when the full specs will come out? Interested in color space specifically (DCI P3 coverage).
Forget it blue laser-phosphor struggles to reach Rec. 709. MCLA acording to Coretronics does cover Rec. 709. But the p3 demo required serious filtering. And no-one confirmed it actually hit P3, or if it was at 90% or something lower like that. Basically the same engine did over 6K with blue only laser diodes. 5K with Blue and Red diodes defult rec. 709), and 4K in the UST demo that was said to be P3. All manufacturer spec.
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So this isn't as good as the jmgo i1/sa unit?
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So this isn't as good as the jmgo i1/sa unit?
I'm willing to say it'll probably be better, the reason I say that is that the Chinese UST projectors to date have absolutely horrible color and color management! Very limited controls for getting a good calibration out of the units so with that said, the Optoma will wipe the floors at least from a calibration and color correction standpoint. Just my $.02.

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I'm willing to say it'll probably be better, the reason I say that is that the Chinese UST projectors to date have absolutely horrible color and color management! Very limited controls for getting a good calibration out of the units so with that said, the Optoma will wipe the floors at least from a calibration and color correction standpoint. Just my $.02.


Totally agree, the coding/processing required to do real-time tone mapping must be extremely difficult. That or pretty much every projector manufacturers design must be super lazy/incompetent. The fact is all projectors except a few high end ones have really struggled with clipping or brightness issues. Then there is the format limitations. HDR10+, Dolby Vision and HLG are the only formats to include metadata for peak B&W values. If the source doesn’t have this info and the display doesn’t meet the BT2020 specs then the HDR performance will be inconsistent. So yeah, I think implementation is the most critical factor regardless of a displays capability.
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larger 120?

I asked a similar question on the new LG HU85L thread, but someone here just commented on a reason why a projector can't go larger than advertised. i.e the lens and hardware is designed for 120 max.

Can someone explain what the performance cost is going above the marketed 120? I though the 120 number was simply a marketing thing to meet an advertised lumen number since this seems to be a number the market cares about. In otherwords, it CAN go larger but will cost lumens. I'm looking to go 135 and thought I could push either this optima one or the LG HU85L above the advertise 120 if I accept some brightness. However I won't accept a lesser PQ. I'm running the Xiaomi now at 135 and looking to "upgrade" with either this Optima or LG but don't want to replace the fixed screen I already have.

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I asked a similar question on the new LG HU85L thread, but someone here just commented on a reason why a projector can't go larger than advertised. i.e the lens and hardware is designed for 120 max.

Can someone explain what the performance cost is going above the marketed 120? I though the 120 number was simply a marketing thing to meet an advertised lumen number since this seems to be a number the market cares about. In otherwords, it CAN go larger but will cost lumens. I'm looking to go 135 and thought I could push either this optima one or the LG HU85L above the advertise 120 if I accept some brightness. However I won't accept a lesser PQ. I'm running the Xiaomi now at 135 and looking to "upgrade" with either this Optima or LG but don't want to replace the fixed screen I already have.

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I don't think anyone will know for sure until the projector is launched, but the manufacturer's max screen size is usually set in stone for these UST projectors because of the reasons you mentioned. The Xiaomi's are rated up to 150" so that's why it works for your setup. I'm sure the 4K Mijia is rated up to 150" as well, that might be your best shot. You can try contacting the manufacturer directly but they may not release information until the product is released.

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I asked a similar question on the new LG HU85L thread, but someone here just commented on a reason why a projector can't go larger than advertised. i.e the lens and hardware is designed for 120 max.

Can someone explain what the performance cost is going above the marketed 120? I though the 120 number was simply a marketing thing to meet an advertised lumen number since this seems to be a number the market cares about. In otherwords, it CAN go larger but will cost lumens. I'm looking to go 135 and thought I could push either this optima one or the LG HU85L above the advertise 120 if I accept some brightness. However I won't accept a lesser PQ. I'm running the Xiaomi now at 135 and looking to "upgrade" with either this Optima or LG but don't want to replace the fixed screen I already have.

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You lose clarity. The lens is only designed to accommodate up to that size. Anything past that and we can't guarantee sharpness or being able to focus it optimally.
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You lose clarity. The lens is only designed to accommodate up to that size. Anything past that and we can't guarantee sharpness or being able to focus it optimally.
Well.. in a simply respond I think you nailed it. Losing clarity is a deal breaker as that's the end goal for all this optimum picture quality talk. If you don't have clarity and PQ, what's the point in these high end projectors.

I think you just ruled out all the latest gen LG and Optima and in a way pointing me back to the latest Mijia. So much for counting down to release dates... =(
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@Tuan I’ve read on a frech blog that Optoma uhz65ust is the european version of the p1. Do you have any idea if it’s true?
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@Tuan I’ve read on a frech blog that Optoma uhz65ust is the european version of the p1. Do you have any idea if it’s true?
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According to passionhomecinema.fr these are the specs for the european version:
- 4K UHD HDR with chip DLP 0.67 XPR X2
- 2,500 to 3,500 lumens
- Projection ratio 0.25: 1
- Optoma NuForce integrated audio bar
- Market Place (application stores)
- InfoWall application: which allows you to create your digital wall with information chosen by you

So either these guys are wrong or it’s a very different projector for eu market, at obviously a much higher price.

L.E.: This is the link, scroll to the optoma section.

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According to passionhomecinema.fr these are the specs for the european version:

- 4K UHD HDR with chip DLP 0.67 XPR X2

- 2,500 to 3,500 lumens

- Projection ratio 0.25: 1

- Optoma NuForce integrated audio bar

- Market Place (application stores)

- InfoWall application: which allows you to create your digital wall with information chosen by you



So either these guys are wrong or it’s a very different projector for eu market, at obviously a much higher price.

@Tuan , can you please verify if the EU version is using the .67 x2 DMD? If it does, will it support BluRay 3D like the US version.
Thank you.
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