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Excellent. Hopefully Optoma returns to providing a standard VESA 3-D output for RF glasses instead of being locked into only the DLP-Link glasses mode.



All of their 3-D 1080p models have and continue to offer this, but to date oddly none of their 4K 3-D models do.



Epson and other non-DLP 4K 3-D projector providers offer the superior VESA option as they have no choice, but it would be nice if Optoma allows us to have the best of both worlds with 4K DLP 3-D and the choice of optional RF 3-D.


Honestly, I haven’t ever used rf glasses. I can say that good DLP link glasses don’t really have any shortcomings in my experience. I think DLP link has gotten a bad rap. I’m sure that their are some poorly made glasses out there, but not the ones I’ve used.
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I've used DLP link on two previous projectors and then RF on my last two projectors. (well.. one was a mix but ya get the idea)

If all I ever used was DLP link I would have been content but RF glasses sync wise are always rock solid. Plus the screen is not tinted with DLP red flash needed for DLP link glasses. This is especially nice when watching content that has mixed 2-D and 3-D, but remains in the 3-D mode throughout (Tron Legacy, Spy Kids 3-D, The Mask, Bellboy.. etc)
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Hopefully Optoma returns to providing a standard VESA 3-D output for RF glasses instead of being locked into only the DLP-Link glasses mode.
@Tuan might have an answer. I've not yet been able to find one image of the "CinemaX" P1 revealing its access panel nor an exhibit video where any of the reviewers featured that section on the back.


Somehow the CinemaX P1 looks increasingly like a prototype study to me.


(Not that I mind as I'm probably what you'd call an Optoma traditional front projector fan boy. And yes, please bring those VESA "3D Sync" ports for 3D-RF back, because your competitors are too stupid to realize their value for 3D users and their home theaters. It's good to see that the HD27 gaming projectors feature these "3D Sync" ports, but I'm pretty certain that its rather the "home entertainment" community that really - if not desperately - wants these "3D Sync" ports back)
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@Tuan might have an answer. I've not yet been able to find one image of the "CinemaX" P1 revealing its access panel nor an exhibit video where any of the reviewers featured that section on the back.


Somehow the CinemaX P1 looks increasingly like a prototype study to me.


(Not that I mind as I'm probably what you'd call an Optoma traditional front projector fan boy. And yes, please bring those VESA "3D Sync" ports for 3D-RF back, because your competitors are too stupid to realize their value for 3D users and their home theaters. It's good to see that the HD27 gaming projectors feature these "3D Sync" ports, but I'm pretty certain that its rather the "home entertainment" community that really - if not desperately - wants these "3D Sync" ports back)
Another plus with a VESA sync port is your RF emitter and RF glasses (if done correctly) are essentially projector agnostic. My emitter has an offset adjust option so the timing to the glasses can be adjusted for non-Optoma projectors (not a problem for me as I've been an Optoma customer starting with their first 3-D projector) A VESA port allows customers to keep their current emitter and RF glasses, and depending on how many RF 3-D glasses one already owns, that too can play a decision in which projector to buy.
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Some video has been posted on youtube today, showing the P1?

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Some video has been posted on youtube today, showing the P1?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlSV1FX7spw


I really hope this pj is good. But I’m a little worried it won’t be. Every video I’ve seen the skin tones look really orange, while green and blue look under-saturated. I think the single red laser might be a big limitation.
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Just noticed that Projector Reviews has delayed its review of the P1 "until July", so that could indicate a new release date.

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I really hope this pj is good. But I’m a little worried it won’t be. Every video I’ve seen the skin tones look really orange, while green and blue look under-saturated. I think the single red laser might be a big limitation.
I feel you mate...hopefully this is due to the recording camera but colours look bit oversaturated and messed up.
With LG out of price range, this looks like the second best option if confirmed around $2.9k. And with HLG support is looks perfect for Sky Q owners.
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So this just happened! Sweet feature!
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This pj is getting more and more interesting...
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Nothing new since InfoComm 2019 two weeks ago. Optoma, release this PJ already!

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Nothing new since InfoComm 2019 two weeks ago. Optoma, release this PJ already!
The new LG 4k UST released in Korea last week at around $5k USD. So I doubt Optoma will feel any pressure to budge from their $3k price point, especially since they won't have the competition of the cheaper models that are currently confined to China.
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The new LG 4k UST released in Korea last week at around $5k USD. So I doubt Optoma will feel any pressure to budge from their $3k price point, especially since they won't have the competition of the cheaper models that are currently confined to China.
Yep, if they can keep the pricing around $2.5k they could easily find a sweet spot between the elite LG one and the average Chinese ones
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Been following this and the HU85LA for about 6 months now. With this being half the price of the LG, doesn't it make the Optoma the clear winner now? What could warrant the LG being double the price?
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It has double the lasers.
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It has double the lasers.
Sure, but I can't understand that warranting double the price.
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Looks like P1 will be released this August for $2999...hopefully July will be the month of first previews/reviews
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Looks like P1 will be released this August for $2999...hopefully July will be the month of first previews/reviews
Now thats some exciting news - any source on that one?
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Now thats some exciting news - any source on that one?
Not an official source but rumours coming from someone working at Optoma
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It has double the lasers.
***Yeah, but does it have double the picture quality?

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***Yeah, but does it have double the picture quality?
It should be brighter, which is a big component of picture when it comes to a projector.
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***Yeah, but does it have double the picture quality?
Honestly, last video about LG HU85LA had some impressive picture quality with low light.
Said so, few people can afford to spend $6k so I believe Optoma is the best affordable option in terms of quality/price at the moment

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Allright guys, some good/bad news here:

Just spoke over the phone with Audio Affair (UK retailer) and they mentioned launch date August but retail price £3.999
Link below: https://www.audioaffair.co.uk/optoma...aser-projector

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Hopefully that's an inflated price for overseas purchases. Even Optoma's own website has it at $2999 MSRP stated on its announcement article about the Optoma P1.

If they just increased this to barely undercut the price of the new LG's announced price then that leaves me pretty upset to say the least.

If these prices are correct then for the few extra hundred dollars to have a dual laser and better overall color performance then the LG might be the better buy.

It once again looks like the new ViewSonic X-10004K is going to be the best bang for the buck.

The rep at Infocomm 2019 stated it had an $1,800 price tag and an expected launch in September. I think he mispriced the product because on the announcement article on their own website states it at $2,800.

I guess now it's just a waiting game to see what these manufacturers actually do. And this game really sucks.



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All the UST options seem to needlessly fall short in one way or another. The Optoma only has one red laser, so the color accuracy and brightness will probably suffer. Then the LG likely doesn’t have 3D support (according to B&H) and is priced at double its competition. Then there’s the ViewSonic that can only handle a max of 100”s. The Xiaomi has judder and poor HDR implementation. If any of these issues were cost prohibitive it would be less frustrating. Really, all of these quirks could have been easily remedied considering how long they’ve been in development. I’ve been waiting to upgrade my HD UST for over a year, are Optoma, LG, ViewSonic and Xiaomi allergic to my money? The optoma is the front runner for me at the moment, but I hope someone comes out with a better option. Or maybe the single red laser won’t have the negative affects I’m concerned about idk fingers crossed.
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Curious, after InfoComm ProjectorCentral didn't mention a price but just "TBD":


https://www.projectorcentral.com/inf....htm#optoma_p1


Same in the InfoComm Optoma press release:


https://www.optoma.com/us/optoma-win...infocomm-2019/

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Optoma USA confirmed with me via email that the release date is August and the Display technology:  Single 0.47” 4K UHD ECD DMD by Texas Instruments™.
They also confirmed the UHZ65UST is the European model.

The information on these dmd chips is confusing to me. Does anyone know if this is the same chip used in the Optoma UHD50-51 models? If not, what would be the difference?

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Optoma USA confirmed with me via email that the release date is August and the Display technology:  Single 0.47” 4K UHD ECD DMD by Texas Instruments.

They also confirmed the UHZ65UST is the European model.



The information on these dmd chips is confusing to me. Does anyone know if this is the same chip used in the Optoma UHD50-51 models? If not, what would be the difference?



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The UHD50-51 had an issue with a light boarder and really low contrast. TI has refined the DMD so that the light boarder is so small it’s hardly an issue and the contrast has slightly improved. Considering all .47” projectors released in 2019 have used the revised chip it’s safe to say that the P1 will likely use the revised version as well.
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Thank you for the info.

I saw demos of the UHD65 and UHZ65. In your experience would there be night and day difference comparing them to the P1 or would it be fairly close in quality?

With the P1s .47" 1080p native resolution chip, would a 4k bluray look sharper than a 1080p bluray? I wouldn't think it would but I'm hoping it would somehow be sharper with more noticable detail than a regular 1080p bluray.

I really appreciate your help!
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