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Optoma P1 4k Laser UST @ CES

For everyone wondering when the big boys were going to catch up with the influx of Chinese USTs, here you go:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300773324.html

HLG, integrated sound bar, $2999, late Q2. I wish they would’ve ditched the soundbar for a lower price point.
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Good catch, aerodynamics.
With LG and ChangHong moving out, this looks like the only remaining 2019 UST to stay in this budget forum.
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Optoma P1 4k Laser UST @ CES

This is not the short throw you are looking for.

What a bummer for all those people who waited for CES.

Curious why we haven’t seen a true budget lamp based 4k UST here in the US like they have been selling like hot cakes in China. Further supports my theory that Americans have money to burn and are more than willing to do so.

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This is not the short throw you are looking for.

What a bummer for all those people who waited for CES.

Curious why we haven’t seen a true budget lamp based 4k UST here in the US like they have been selling like hot cakes in China. Further supports my theory that Americans have money to burn and are more than willing to do so.

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Why a bummer? Not sure if you think is is not good enough, or if it's too expensive since it's not a budget, lamp based model.
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For everyone wondering when the big boys were going to catch up with the influx of Chinese USTs, here you go:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300773324.html

HLG, integrated sound bar, $2999, late Q2. I wish they would’ve ditched the soundbar for a lower price point.
I agree; same with the Hisense UST Laser 4k Projector and their integrated speakers & subwoofer. Especially at that higher price point, I would expect most people to have a dedicated (possibly surround) sound setup and not want to rely on whats integrated with the projector.
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Why a bummer? Not sure if you think is is not good enough, or if it's too expensive since it's not a budget, lamp based model.


In my opinion I think people were waiting for low(er) cost lamp dlp PJs that we’re essentially clones of ht2550/UHD50.

Now it sort of looks like those might not happen at all.

I guess true short throw PJs aren’t a viable market.


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Nobody decided to mention the integrated "smart" assistants? If smart TVs are anything to go by, I'm expecting Optoma to update the software for maybe a year and then leave it outdated, forcing you to not use the feature anymore or buy a new PJ.
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I wish more companies learned from Apple and released these things earlier, I understand CES is used to showcase new tech but waiting for late Q2 is kind of pushing it.
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Where are the normal throw 4K projectors announcements at? @Tuan what's the word?

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Where are the normal throw 4K projectors announcements at? @Tuan what's the word?
There are none, we already have a complete line up of standard throws - UHD50, UHD51A, UHD51ALV, UHD60, UHD65 and UHZ65 on the consumer side.
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There are none, we already have a complete line up of standard throws - UHD50, UHD51A, UHD51ALV, UHD60, UHD65 and UHZ65 on the consumer side.
Will the UHZ65 see a price drop this year?

I figured you guys would release a new .47 4K projector without the light border.

What happen to the 4k LED projector you guys were suppose to be releasing?

Also what happen to ZH55 1080p laser projector announced a couple years ago?

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In my opinion I think people were waiting for low(er) cost lamp dlp PJs that we’re essentially clones of ht2550/UHD50.

Now it sort of looks like those might not happen at all.

I guess true short throw PJs aren’t a viable market.
I'm sure there are many people looking for a less expensive option. Personally, I think $3,000 for a laser 4k UST (that is on par at least with the UHD65) is a great deal, especially compared to the alternatives. These UST projectors are positioned as "tv replacements" by some manufacturers, so going laser makes sense as they will likely get more usage than a dedicated theater room projector. I'll letcha know how it stacks up once I get my hands on one
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I'm sure there are many people looking for a less expensive option. Personally, I think $3,000 for a laser 4k UST (that is on par at least with the UHD65) is a great deal, especially compared to the alternatives. These UST projectors are positioned as "tv replacements" by some manufacturers, so going laser makes sense as they will likely get more usage than a dedicated theater room projector. I'll letcha know how it stacks up once I get my hands on one


$3000 for a display device - ANY display device - is so outrageous that I can’t even fathom it.

Now I fully understand that I am one side of a very wide spectrum in this forum but... such as it is.


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$3000 for a display device - ANY display device - is so outrageous that I can’t even fathom it.

Now I fully understand that I am one side of a very wide spectrum in this forum but... such as it is.


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The specs state 3000 lumens... I'm assuming this must have a white segment in the color wheel, but I can't find anything stated.
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i'm also hopeful there's an no soundbar option, that cuts the price a bit.
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i'm also hopeful there's an no soundbar option, that cuts the price a bit.
Agreed, give me a bare bone model for under $2k and I'll be a happy camper.
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can't wait for some reviews to start rolling in. ust makes a lot of sense for my setup.
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can't wait for some reviews to start rolling in. ust makes a lot of sense for my setup.
This looks very interesting.

Is it real 4K or faux K ? Guessing at the price point it must be faux K
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Is this True 4K or pixel shifting?
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read the release ; 8.3 mil. pixels = 4K
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For everyone wondering when the big boys were going to catch up with the influx of Chinese USTs, here you go:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300773324.html

HLG, integrated sound bar, $2999, late Q2. I wish they would’ve ditched the soundbar for a lower price point.
Yeah me too. Most of us have our own sound systems already. This Is what I wanted a year ago and I was just not convinced to buy Xiaomi and the heavy Asian content on the UI.

It's a native 1080 chip that doesn't do shifting, so not native 4k, or a shifter but... an upscaler that supposedly shows 4k pixels. Here's a link to a video of the P1 and the other 4k LED as well, and a couple of articles stating It's 1080 with some kind of upscaling. Someone needs to really clarify how It accomplishes this please, and how In the H3LL It qualifies as a 4k projector??? As stated It has full range aluminium drivers and 2 "woofers".

https://www.cnet.com/news/optoma-p1-...-in-sound-bar/

http://4k.com/news/optomas-new-p1-4k...-in-one-25148/

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I am looking to replacemy Xiaomi UST (FauxK) Laser projector with a real 4k model. Do we know if this uses a color-wheel or three separate lasers for R , G and B?
Also is it HDMI 2.1?

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I am looking to replacemy Xiaomi UST (FauxK) Laser projector with a real 4k model. Do we know if this uses a color-wheel or three separate lasers for R , G and B?
Also is it HDMI 2.1?
Isn't the Xaiomi downscaling 4k to 1080 on it's native 1080 chip? So not even "fauxk"?. It uses a single blue laser. If this used 2 or more lasers It would be extremely costly. Like double or triple the price.

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I'm pretty disappointed myself by what was announced in the pj world at this year's CES (not just by Optoma but from anyone in the pj space period). Like you said, everything noteworthy seemed to be over $2k, even LG's new ultra short throw 4K pj, which will probably be well over $2k as well.

Meanwhile, TV manufacturers knocked it out of the park again, with 8K and tvs that rollup, etc. Seems pretty obvious to me which industry is being left in the dust.
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For everyone wondering when the big boys were going to catch up with the influx of Chinese USTs, here you go:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300773324.html

HLG, integrated sound bar, $2999, late Q2. I wish they would’ve ditched the soundbar for a lower price point.
Yeah me too. Most of us have our own sound systems already. This Is what I wanted a year ago and I was just not convinced to buy Xiaomi and the heavy Asian content on the UI.

It's a native 1080 chip that doesn't do shifting, so not native 4k, or a shifter but... an upscaler that supposedly shows 4k pixels. Here's a link to a video of the P1 and the other 4k LED as well, and a couple of articles stating It's 1080 with some kind of upscaling. Someone needs to really clarify how It accomplishes this please, and how In the H3LL It qualifies as a 4k projector??? As stated It has full range aluminium drivers and 2 "woofers".

https://www.cnet.com/news/optoma-p1-...-in-sound-bar/

http://4k.com/news/optomas-new-p1-4k...-in-one-25148/
The story on 4k.com.is factually incorrect. We're using the TI 0.47 DMD with XPR technology to achieve 4K UHD, per the CTA's definition of 4K UHD. We're also using a high-quality, glass lens.
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Just to be clear for those who may be confused by the terminology, XPR technology is a form of pixel shifting. The 1920x1080 pixels of the 0.47" XPR DMD are shifted horizontally and vertically in four directions at 240Hz to make it appear to the human eye as if 3840x2160 pixels are simultaneously on the screen. Most consider it to be a very effective alternative to native 4K at a fraction of the cost.
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Just to be clear for those who may be confused by the terminology, XPR technology is a form of pixel shifting. The 1920x1080 pixels of the 0.47" XPR DMD are shifted horizontally and vertically in four directions at 240Hz to make it appear to the human eye as if 3840x2160 pixels are simultaneously on the screen. Most consider it to be a very effective alternative to native 4K at a fraction of the cost.
Thanks for clearing that up guys.
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Isn't the Xaiomi downscaling 4k to 1080 on it's native 1080 chip? So not even "fauxk"?. It uses a single blue laser. If this used 2 or more lasers It would be extremely costly. Like double or triple the price.
The LG UST Laser projector shown in CES for less than $3000 has two lasers and claims to be "real 4k" but I am waiting for some reviewers to get their hands on them before I trust their 4k claims.

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Pony up and buy a lamp.....



I am pushing 10k hours now and just recently purchased a lamp....250 and she is new again......for hopefully another 9k hours....



When looking at the cost difference for us high hour usage users, laser is still not that great at 20k hours, I am half way to that in just over 2 years...…..I would hate to think I would be half way to throwing away my projector if it was laser...…...and I would be in for 4 times the costs or more for a half used up PJ...…


When you do the math for a high hour user, it does not favor the laser at this time....which oddly is a selling point.
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