Originally Posted by Archibald1
I would say it is simply because your brain has not needed to process it out for a while and has forgotten how to do it.
So, now you compare side by side after a while of watching with no shimmying pixels, you are bound to notice it big style.
The brains compensation mechanisms are awesome it must be said.
I am always a proponent that our brain adds a lot of processing that may still be unknown to us... One can measure stuff and then the brain will tell you different... case in point, the 695ES measures better blacks with dynamic dimming.. heck, the 360 prob also... but the 885ES comes out better to me subjectively (now that I have taped the green light). I think I read other reviewers say the same.. i'll see if i can dig it out...
My own guess is that the laser's 'intensity' of 'light' and 'color' is what makes the black seem blacker and cleaner...
Originally Posted by Aztar35
You know, I'm reading through these posts and it comes to me there's an apparent movement afoot in these price ranges. I see a growing audience that emphasizes other features over the absolute best black levels. This could be due to the dispensation of information on laser stability; it also could be due to needed brightness for the now beloved HDR. The fact remains; there are those who prefer exceptionally stable, bright images but will settle for "passing grade" low APL blacks and there are those who will tell them they are wrong for it.
Here's the thing though... i have had the 760 for many days now... Not once did i think the black levels were just 'passing grade'... i thought they were inky and great! I did think my 500ES were just passing after the panel degraded! These new Sonys panels do deliver much better contrast than their previous models (using the older panels). Plus, there's something about the Laser that adds something... i don't know, maybe intensity to the picture...
Originally Posted by markmon1
I'll admit you sure did. To be honest, I'm shocked that so many found the blacks so good on the 885ES. Although, most of those were still referring to scenes I've described as city-scape at night type scenes not true black floor scenes. Again, those aren't the scenes I'm disputing here. I think all the Sonys I've seen (even the 285ES) were quite good on most those scenes.
I guess there's just a very different tolerance for what one might consider "good" vs "poor" black levels as you guys have pointed out. I can accept this.
The 885ES has a full dynamic contrast of 19000:1 as measured by Kris, whom I trust. I guess some find 19000:1 to be inky black and some find it to be quite poor. But to put it into context, all we can do is use the number to compare to other things. The Sony 695ES as measured by Aztar has a dynamic of around 80000:1. I did not find 80000:1 acceptable black performance - again, I'm an admitted black snob. I guess some do find it acceptable. But even those that do shouldn't argue that the difference between 80000:1 and 19000:1 is hard to notice, right? Is anyone disputing that?
Mark, have you seen the 885 in real life? So far I only see you quoting numbers..
BTW: Yes, the 695 has 4 times the dynamic contrast, but in real life, would it look 'blacker' than the 885?
Here's what Art from Projector Reviews has to say:
After that is a sequence of grayscale converted, and intentionally overexposed images of the same frame, first taken with the VW885ES – the Bond “night train” scene from Casino Royale, followed by the same scene from a few competitors and most other Sony 4K and 1080p projectors. The “competitors” include the Epson laser projector, their 5040UB (best in its class at black levels), and a JVC. As you can see, from the differences, only two of the others can best the VW885ES. The very best – is the JVC which is last. ....... The only other to beat this Sony is Sony’s own flagship, the VW5000ES at $60K. In a perfect world I could get all the exposures the same so that all the letterboxes were the same brightness, but that just isn’t practical.
Bottom line: As I’ve been telling folks for years, no one can match the JVCs on black levels. (Hey, their only true 4K projector is $10,000 more than this Sony). But this Sony is the next best thing (after the VW5000ES. That’s pretty awesome black level performance.