In their review, they use both the terms “flashing” and “colorwheel” in a confusing way, but are clear that there is no color wheel and that the low likelihood of potential rainbows is because the “flashing” works faster than any color wheel possibly could.

Yep color wheels are capped at around 5x for accurate color. LEDs can electronically cycle up to 18x while providing wider/more accurate color than a wheel

Reviewers get this wrong from time to time are there due to an erroneous spec sheet that was copied from a lamp or blue laser projector or simply because most single chip DLPs have a color wheel

There actually are no LED DLP projectors with a color wheel that have ever been made to my knowledge. it's probably more expensive to implement to color wheel and you would get worse performance so it would make no sense from an engineering standpoint.

You mean RGB LED? Aren't there white LED DLP projectors? Wouldn't those use color wheels?

I will reach out directly to our internal contacts at BenQ on this now and ask for a clear and straight answer. Putting aside that I very specifically stated that whatever diagram BenQ has placed on its website may be oversimplified or inaccurate, no one should take anything I've posted here to mean that I believe us incapable of a mistake and will stand to the death by something that proves by reliable means to be wrong. I learned early in my editorial career, from Brent Butterworth when he was running the lab at Home Theater in the late 1990s, that it is better to send your review to the manufacturer up front for a factcheck, even a very negative review, than it is to commit to print (as everything was in those days) a review populated with one big or a bunch of small errors that then have to be corrected. This process is what actually protects our credibility and allows us to always say we did the best we could to be right on behalf of our readers as well as the manufacturers. And in my experience, that process has worked something very close to 100% of the time to fix mistakes before they happen, most certainly very big ones as this one would be.

This just in. Australian Review, BENQ salesperson mentions color wheel. https://youtu.be/aVOrruNA4vA

Read the comments below the video,he corrects himself when someone calls him out on it.
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I've had my HT9060 for a couple months now,finally got it to the point where I am really happy.Originally when I got it I was satisfied with it coming from my older W7000,but was expecting a little more of an improvement.Did a little room treatment and it made a world of difference.Room has off white walls and ceiling with good light control,so I went with an ALR screen,but really didn't like the hot spotting and sparkles and returned it for a matt white screen.The combination of the white screen and room treatment made the colors really pop,looks almost like a 135" LED TV!!Pics show what I did for the room to manage the light.

Those pics look amazing! I am anxiously awaiting for the price to come down a bit or a refurb for this projector. I'm betting the image is razor sharp in person. I was a black level freak, but now I am starting to lean towards high resolution single chip projectors for excellent clarity.

Hi all,


just registered here since I own a X12000h (=HT9060) since a while. I would like to ask if anyone else has a non-uniform sharpness across the screen? E.g. if I set left lower corner sharp the right upper corner text is not even readable (which is without problems in the left lower corner of course). Also sharpness changes a bit over time (heating up of the projector). I now contacted BenQ and started a RMA. However: anyone else experienced that?


Another Question: the smart Eco Mode seems to check always for the brightest pixel in the image. So if there is e.g. a dark scene with a fire the fires is priority and all dark environment is no longer black but grey due to high lamp power. Any idea how to tweak this? I use JRiver with MadVR and FFDshow but found nothing to Limit Peak brightness in dependence on image average brightness or similar. Or Maybe newer Firmware may help?


Thanks
Ron

Hi,


of course I can wait until heated up and that's what I did. Even then if I adjust it to a corner the opposite corner is horrible. If I adjust it to the center all corners are equal bad (better but still not acceptable for me; SHARP is not the definition for that).


Best regards
Ron

Hi,


of course I can wait until heated up and that's what I did. Even then if I adjust it to a corner the opposite corner is horrible. If I adjust it to the center all corners are equal bad (better but still not acceptable for me; SHARP is not the definition for that).


Best regards
Ron

I got a good price for my LK970 and was thinking of getting a 9060 to hold me over to see whats coming this year.



In some reviews it states that vivid mode covers up to 98% dci-p3 , couldnt that mode be used to calibrated a P3 3dlut with lumagen doing the DTM without touching the HDR build in modes ?

Yes with madVR or a Lumagen you can use Vivid with a 3DLUT to get almost full P3 coverage while keeping the projector in SDR gamma for the external tone-mapping.

I’ve seen a 9060 with madVR and it looks quite nice. Excellent color and sharpness and motion. Just the typical ~1000:1 contrast like all the 4K DLPs is the main downside.

Also essentially no rainbow effect which is nice.

Once calibrated (white balanced) in Vivid the 9060 is only like 1700-1800 lumens though. Bright but nothing real special.

Yes with madVR or a Lumagen you can use Vivid with a 3DLUT to get almost full P3 coverage while keeping the projector in SDR gamma for the external tone-mapping.

I’ve seen a 9060 with madVR and it looks quite nice. Excellent color and sharpness and motion. Just the typical ~1000:1 contrast like all the 4K DLPs is the main downside.

Also essentially no rainbow effect which is nice.

Once calibrated (white balanced) in Vivid the 9060 is only like 1700-1800 lumens though. Bright but nothing real special.

It should have close to five times the contrast of his 970 for darker scenes; the dynamic contrast of the 9060 can get to around 4600:1 give or take. Plus it will have a similar lens and hardly any RBE, especially compared to the wheel-based 970. By the way, did @ProCentral Rob ever comment since his last post here concerning existence or non-existence of a color wheel?

Per Kris Deering:
"The Lumagen won't help this projector much either. You are double tone mapping with a solution that isn't that great to start (the 9060) and still clips regardless. This projector would have worked well if the color gamut selection in the picture modes actually worked as advertised, but it doesn't. This is a frustrating projector because if it just did what it advertised that it could do, it would have a lot of options. But unfortunately that is just not the case (like the 9050) and firmware updates just don't seem to happen with BenQ."

The dynamic contrast is useless for video content. It only dims on a 100% black screen, so fade to black works and that's it. If even 1 pixel is lit up there is no dimming so any scene with even 1 pixel lit up is at most ~1000:1.

Having owned the HT9060, I would point out that I could not get the HT9060 engage its wide color without receiving an HDR signal, hence SDR 709 color w/external TM or wide color without but you might be able to use double tone mapping.

The projector's colors look outstanding. The 9060 will put out colors reaching close to the full P3 range if it receives an HDR signal.

Per Kris Deering:
"The Lumagen won't help this projector much either. You are double tone mapping with a solution that isn't that great to start (the 9060) and still clips regardless. This projector would have worked well if the color gamut selection in the picture modes actually worked as advertised, but it doesn't. This is a frustrating projector because if it just did what it advertised that it could do, it would have a lot of options. But unfortunately that is just not the case (like the 9050) and firmware updates just don't seem to happen with BenQ."

It should have close to five times the contrast of his 970 for darker scenes; the dynamic contrast of the 9060 can get to around 4600:1 give or take. Plus it will have a similar lens and hardly any RBE, especially compared to the wheel-based 970. By the way, did @ProCentral Rob ever comment since his last post here concerning existence or non-existence of a color wheel?

Does the HT9060 SmartEco dimming really work only in full black screen? I thought @Aztar35 and maybe others said that it worked really well in darker screens and makes the black floor look a bit more convincing?

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I guess I am not sure why I thought it was only on fade to black.

When I viewed the 9060 i don't really remember it dimming much at all in the dark scenes that I like to use, but maybe I just need different scenes.

https://www.soundandvision.com/image...q.contrast.jpg

At least according to this the dynamic is 3770:1 and the dimming happens somewhere between 1% ADL which is at 800:1 and 1 pixel which is at 3770:1 which make sense.