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In their review, they use both the terms “flashing” and “colorwheel” in a confusing way, but are clear that there is no color wheel and that the low likelihood of potential rainbows is because the “flashing” works faster than any color wheel possibly could.
Yep color wheels are capped at around 5x for accurate color. LEDs can electronically cycle up to 18x while providing wider/more accurate color than a wheel

Reviewers get this wrong from time to time are there due to an erroneous spec sheet that was copied from a lamp or blue laser projector or simply because most single chip DLPs have a color wheel

There actually are no LED DLP projectors with a color wheel that have ever been made to my knowledge. it's probably more expensive to implement to color wheel and you would get worse performance so it would make no sense from an engineering standpoint.

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Yep color wheels are capped at around 5x for accurate color. LEDs can electronically cycle up to 18x while providing wider/more accurate color than a wheel

Reviewers get this wrong from time to time are there due to an erroneous spec sheet that was copied from a lamp or blue laser projector or simply because most single chip DLPs have a color wheel

There actually are no LED DLP projectors with a color wheel that have ever been made to my knowledge. it's probably more expensive to implement to color wheel and you would get worse performance so it would make no sense from an engineering standpoint.
You mean RGB LED? Aren't there white LED DLP projectors? Wouldn't those use color wheels?
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You mean RGB LED? Aren't there white LED DLP projectors? Wouldn't those use color wheels?
I dunno maybe in the business projector or ultra cheap space?

In home theater I've never seen any DLP LED other than RGB/HLD with 3 seperate color elements.
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I will reach out directly to our internal contacts at BenQ on this now and ask for a clear and straight answer. Putting aside that I very specifically stated that whatever diagram BenQ has placed on its website may be oversimplified or inaccurate, no one should take anything I've posted here to mean that I believe us incapable of a mistake and will stand to the death by something that proves by reliable means to be wrong. I learned early in my editorial career, from Brent Butterworth when he was running the lab at Home Theater in the late 1990s, that it is better to send your review to the manufacturer up front for a factcheck, even a very negative review, than it is to commit to print (as everything was in those days) a review populated with one big or a bunch of small errors that then have to be corrected. This process is what actually protects our credibility and allows us to always say we did the best we could to be right on behalf of our readers as well as the manufacturers. And in my experience, that process has worked something very close to 100% of the time to fix mistakes before they happen, most certainly very big ones as this one would be.
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This just in. Australian Review, BENQ salesperson mentions color wheel. https://youtu.be/aVOrruNA4vA
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This just in. Australian Review, BENQ salesperson mentions color wheel. https://youtu.be/aVOrruNA4vA
Read the comments below the video,he corrects himself when someone calls him out on it.
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This just in. Australian Review, BENQ salesperson mentions color wheel. https://youtu.be/aVOrruNA4vA
Read the comments below the video,he corrects himself when someone calls him out on it.
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I've had my HT9060 for a couple months now,finally got it to the point where I am really happy.Originally when I got it I was satisfied with it coming from my older W7000,but was expecting a little more of an improvement.Did a little room treatment and it made a world of difference.Room has off white walls and ceiling with good light control,so I went with an ALR screen,but really didn't like the hot spotting and sparkles and returned it for a matt white screen.The combination of the white screen and room treatment made the colors really pop,looks almost like a 135" LED TV!!Pics show what I did for the room to manage the light.
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I've had my HT9060 for a couple months now,finally got it to the point where I am really happy.Originally when I got it I was satisfied with it coming from my older W7000,but was expecting a little more of an improvement.Did a little room treatment and it made a world of difference.Room has off white walls and ceiling with good light control,so I went with an ALR screen,but really didn't like the hot spotting and sparkles and returned it for a matt white screen.The combination of the white screen and room treatment made the colors really pop,looks almost like a 135" LED TV!!Pics show what I did for the room to manage the light.
Looks gorgeous!

What's the gain of your screen?
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Thanks,the screen material is elunevision reference studio 4k that has a 1.0 gain.
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I've had my HT9060 for a couple months now,finally got it to the point where I am really happy.Originally when I got it I was satisfied with it coming from my older W7000,but was expecting a little more of an improvement.Did a little room treatment and it made a world of difference.Room has off white walls and ceiling with good light control,so I went with an ALR screen,but really didn't like the hot spotting and sparkles and returned it for a matt white screen.The combination of the white screen and room treatment made the colors really pop,looks almost like a 135" LED TV!!Pics show what I did for the room to manage the light.
Those pics look amazing! I am anxiously awaiting for the price to come down a bit or a refurb for this projector. I'm betting the image is razor sharp in person. I was a black level freak, but now I am starting to lean towards high resolution single chip projectors for excellent clarity.
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Those pics look amazing! I am anxiously awaiting for the price to come down a bit or a refurb for this projector. I'm betting the image is razor sharp in person. I was a black level freak, but now I am starting to lean towards high resolution single chip projectors for excellent clarity.
IMO, Benq DLP has excellent sharpness and color "pop". I just wish they would offer a 4K machine with powered lens controls/lens memory. Like you, many are moving towards the the single chip direction and away from "ultimate black level". Personally, it seems like we watch way more bright movies and sports, than dark movies and SciFi content. We may as well optimize the display for what we view most often...
Sony and JVC have had powered lens controls/lens memory as "standard" features for years now. Since the black level battle is effectively "lost", in order for the DLP makers to compete, they have to close the gap in other areas.
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just registered here since I own a X12000h (=HT9060) since a while. I would like to ask if anyone else has a non-uniform sharpness across the screen? E.g. if I set left lower corner sharp the right upper corner text is not even readable (which is without problems in the left lower corner of course). Also sharpness changes a bit over time (heating up of the projector). I now contacted BenQ and started a RMA. However: anyone else experienced that?


Another Question: the smart Eco Mode seems to check always for the brightest pixel in the image. So if there is e.g. a dark scene with a fire the fires is priority and all dark environment is no longer black but grey due to high lamp power. Any idea how to tweak this? I use JRiver with MadVR and FFDshow but found nothing to Limit Peak brightness in dependence on image average brightness or similar. Or Maybe newer Firmware may help?


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just registered here since I own a X12000h (=HT9060) since a while. I would like to ask if anyone else has a non-uniform sharpness across the screen? E.g. if I set left lower corner sharp the right upper corner text is not even readable (which is without problems in the left lower corner of course). Also sharpness changes a bit over time (heating up of the projector). I now contacted BenQ and started a RMA. However: anyone else experienced that?


Another Question: the smart Eco Mode seems to check always for the brightest pixel in the image. So if there is e.g. a dark scene with a fire the fires is priority and all dark environment is no longer black but grey due to high lamp power. Any idea how to tweak this? I use JRiver with MadVR and FFDshow but found nothing to Limit Peak brightness in dependence on image average brightness or similar. Or Maybe newer Firmware may help?


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The blurry corner is a property of the lens (usually). Not all of them are perfect, although these projectors generally have very good lenses. I'd let the projector warm up at least 45 minutes before adjusting the focus and see if you can dial it in then. These lenses are so large that the uniformity does change as the room and projector hit operating temp. If at that time you still cannot get good enough focus to say read text in all areas of the screen, you should consider RMA.

The smart eco mode is just a limitation in the way the firmware is implemented I think.

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of course I can wait until heated up and that's what I did. Even then if I adjust it to a corner the opposite corner is horrible. If I adjust it to the center all corners are equal bad (better but still not acceptable for me; SHARP is not the definition for that).


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of course I can wait until heated up and that's what I did. Even then if I adjust it to a corner the opposite corner is horrible. If I adjust it to the center all corners are equal bad (better but still not acceptable for me; SHARP is not the definition for that).


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Yep, then contact BenQ for a replacement for your defective unit.

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of course I can wait until heated up and that's what I did. Even then if I adjust it to a corner the opposite corner is horrible. If I adjust it to the center all corners are equal bad (better but still not acceptable for me; SHARP is not the definition for that).


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Yea,that’s not good.I checked mine and all 4 corners and middle look equally sharp.Looks like your only option would be to send it back.

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it will be picked up today for RMA. I really hope they fix it without issues. Besides this I love this thing! Thanks for checking yours dfarina!


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