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Perhaps some sort of lift that you could wheel into place might work if you can’t find the right table.
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Doc, if I may be informal, fascinating idea. I will look into this. Thanks for the link.
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Is HDR usable or does it render the image dim like on many other projectors?

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Is HDR usable or does it render the image dim like on many other projectors?
It’s bright enough for HDR & 3D on screens up to 160” w 1.0 gain. For best 3D you will need to run it in anamorphic mode and use an A lens.
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It’s bright enough for HDR & 3D on screens up to 160” w 1.0 gain. For best 3D you will need to run it in anamorphic mode and use an A lens.
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Hi,


I am a bit confused. As other users I would like to use my HT9060 with a HTPC in combination with MadVR. For that I understand easiest would be Vivid mode with 3D LUT (measurement gear is ready). With my Firmware 9.0.1 in Vivid mode BT.709 is selected and I cannot change it (option is greyed out). Only in HDR mode the color space can be changed to bt2020/dci-p3. That does not help me as I need the PCI-P3 in one of the SDR modes to use with MadVR.


Could you please check your firmware version or give me a hint what I might do wrong?


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I am a bit confused. As other users I would like to use my HT9060 with a HTPC in combination with MadVR. For that I understand easiest would be Vivid mode with 3D LUT (measurement gear is ready). With my Firmware 9.0.1 in Vivid mode BT.709 is selected and I cannot change it (option is greyed out). Only in HDR mode the color space can be changed to bt2020/dci-p3. That does not help me as I need the PCI-P3 in one of the SDR modes to use with MadVR.


Could you please check your firmware version or give me a hint what I might do wrong?


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Have you measured the gamut with Vivid selected? The issue with 9060 is that you cant change the colorspace in SDR, but the Vivid should be wide.

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I am a bit confused. As other users I would like to use my HT9060 with a HTPC in combination with MadVR. For that I understand easiest would be Vivid mode with 3D LUT (measurement gear is ready). With my Firmware 9.0.1 in Vivid mode BT.709 is selected and I cannot change it (option is greyed out). Only in HDR mode the color space can be changed to bt2020/dci-p3. That does not help me as I need the PCI-P3 in one of the SDR modes to use with MadVR.


Could you please check your firmware version or give me a hint what I might do wrong?


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It doesn’t matter what the color gamut mode on the projector says.

Vivid mode should be a wide gamut meaning the primary color coordinates should be way out near the DCI-P3 reference points.

In Vivid, all the saturation tracking in the middle will be off from any reference color gamut like rec709 and DCI-P3 but this is what the 3DLUT is for.

A 3DLUT can only shrink the primary color points inward and move points within that triangle around.

Last time I measured the primary color coordinates on a HT9060 in Vivid, I noticed that they were very near DCI-P3 coordinates and was giving me slightly over 100% DCI-P3 coverage.

3DLUTs are capable of converting between color spaces entirely which is essentially what you will be doing here.
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Hi!

well THAT explains it then! However, the gamut setting is quite pointless then....

I never even tried to measure it in vivid since I did not expect this. Will do now. Easy solution :-)

Before you apply the LUT measurement: do you still calibrate RGB levels for white and some grey steps before? Or just let the LUT do everything?

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well THAT explains it then! However, the gamut setting is quite pointless then....

I never even tried to measure it in vivid since I did not expect this. Will do now. Easy solution :-)

Before you apply the LUT measurement: do you still calibrate RGB levels for white and some grey steps before? Or just let the LUT do everything?

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I would just let the 3DLUT do everything.

Since you are essentially converting colorspaces make sure you do enough patches, at least a couple thousand for best results.

But you could try a smaller 3DLUT first if you are unsure of your settings to see that the result is what you are expecting without wasting so much time.


Your 3DLUT will be converting from some random non-standard color gamut that the HT9060 calls Vivid mode, into proper DCI-P3. And then installing that 3DLUT into madVR will tell madVR that the display is now calibrated for DCI-P3, so it will map all the content that it's processing including BT.2020 and rec709 into the DCI-P3.
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Hi SirMaster,


ok will do so. Just curious if I can also then just do the same for the Windows color profile Manager. Make a profile in BT.709 for this should then give my Desktop and Netflix Streaming normal Colors back. Doing so I could Always remain in vivid mode. MadVR will switch for itself then when playing and disable the windows desktop profile Manager.


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ok will do so. Just curious if I can also then just do the same for the Windows color profile Manager. Make a profile in BT.709 for this should then give my Desktop and Netflix Streaming normal Colors back. Doing so I could Always remain in vivid mode. MadVR will switch for itself then when playing and disable the windows desktop profile Manager.


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You cannot do this.

A Windows color profile only applies the 3DLUT color calibration part of the profile to color managed applications such as Adobe or similar content creation software. It does not apply the 3DLUT to the desktop or web browser or Netflix app or anything like that.

All that gets applied to non-color managed apps like your desktop, web browser, Netflix, etc is a 1DLUT which gets loaded into the vgct (video card gamma table), so it applies to all output. A 1DLUT is only capable of performing greyscale and gamma calibration. So it will get your greyscale range to 6500K temp and your gamma flat at 2.2 or whatever you like, but it's not capable of converting color spaces, so your color on desktop, web browser, Netflix app, etc will be way over-saturated in Vivid still.

What I would recommend is create your 3DLUT for madVR in Vivid like you were going to.

But then after that, set the mode to whatever color mode is closest to rec709 (I don't know what it's called, but you can measure to see which is most accurate). And create a Windows color profile for that mode, so at least you get accurate color temperature greyscale and accurate gamma.

Then I would actually use this remote control program I made which would let you easily switch between profile modes on your BenQ between Vivid and whatever. You could make a button on your phone/tablet or even just an icon on your desktop that switches when you click it. You could even set up madVR to automatically switch your BenQ to Vivid when it starts playing and back to the standard color mode when it's done playing.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-ho...htpc-home.html

I wont get into the specifics too much here, but just to give you can idea:

I tested my program with the BenQ LK970, but it should work with the HT9060 too.

You can see BenQ IP commands here:
https://github.com/nicko88/HTPCRemot...BenQ_LK970.pdf

Vivid mode for example is: "appmod=vivid" which you would send from my program.

You can post in the other thread if you need help understanding how to get this all working.

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Hi SirMaster,


within several posts you already saved me hours of work! Great thanks!


I will have a look in the IP commands and how I could use that with madVR. If too tricky also switch by remote will be ok....


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Just saw this, it’s from February. https://www.projectorreviews.com/ben...ter-projector/
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I might move to another house and might need to get a new projector. Coming from a Sony 285es, I'm looking for a solid state PJ (for longevity, no lamp to replace etc.) Source is going to be 99% from htpc with madvr calibrated with 3D-luts. Any thoughts from the owners, are you still satisfied with the unit?
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I might move to another house and might need to get a new projector. Coming from a Sony 285es, I'm looking for a solid state PJ (for longevity, no lamp to replace etc.) Source is going to be 99% from htpc with madvr calibrated with 3D-luts. Any thoughts from the owners, are you still satisfied with the unit?
I'm very satisfied. This coming from a CRT/LCOS background and a 3chip Runco LS10, which was a light canon. Once you get used to a brilliantly even lit image, it's hard to go back.
For a best all around Projector, the 9060 still checks all my boxes.
If you're in search of ultimate blacks, look elsewhere.
Read the review from February I just posted.
One of the most evenhanded and fair assessments yet.
In the end, he compares the color and clarity to the 30k+ Sony projectors with ARC lenses.
Not bad company to be in.
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I'm very satisfied. This coming from a CRT/LCOS background and a 3chip Runco LS10, which was a light canon. Once you get used to a brilliantly even lit image, it's hard to go back.
For a best all around Projector, the 9060 still checks all my boxes.
If you're in search of ultimate blacks, look elsewhere.
Read the review from February I just posted.
One of the most evenhanded and fair assessments yet.
In the end, he compares the color and clarity to the 30k+ Sony projectors with ARC lenses.
Not bad company to be in.
And I look at missing powered lens features, no lens memory, no dynamic tone mapping and low contrast. Seems too much money for what you get, if looking at new.
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And I look at missing powered lens features, no lens memory, no dynamic tone mapping and low contrast. Seems too much money for what you get, if looking at new.
YMMV.
That said: mine is a refurb, so the cost was substantially less.
I would add: the only way for the 3D to truly rock is to go into anamorphic mode and use an A lens.
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Does anyone know what design the HT9060 is based off? Which company? Thx.
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Just saw this, it’s from February. https://www.projectorreviews.com/ben...ter-projector/
Thanks for the link,I tried inputting the colour settings from the review in my HT9060 and found a nice improvement in SDR colours.Never had it calibrated,all colour settings were factory default beforehand.

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Great! I did the same.
Looking forward to an actual, full calibration but want to find someone well versed w/ the HT 9060.
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