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The issue is, as had been noted before, each pixel is not 100% addressable on its own. You can see the very slight effect of this when you put up a single pixel checkerboard pattern. Each alternating pixel isn’t distinctly black or white as it should be. Some are white, some are black, some are light grey, some are dark grey. But when you step back and go sit down and watch it, it’s virtually indistinguishable from a native 4K display with fully addressable pixels.

Here is where I personally like it better on the LK970 (and to some extent the UHZ65) over even so called “native 4K” projectors like the Sony SXRDs whereas with the XPR DLP, the image is razor sharp especially if it has a lens as good as the LK970/990 has and being single chip there is no convergence or misalignment issues that plague 3 chippers like the Sonys, Epsons and JVCs of the world. So in the end, an XPR DLP with a great lens like the LK970 actually looks more “4K” to me than the so called “native 4K” machines do, and yes it’s very noticeable in content as well!

The LK970s I’ve had here have an image that is SO much more sharp, deep, detailed and almost 3D than ANY other SXRD, LCoS or LCD I’ve had through here, if that means anything or helps anyone decide if they want to get an XPR “pixel shifter” true 4K DLP (a good lens with no CA is required of course) or a native 4K projector of another technology.
This is the bottom line that I've hammered home for a while - while the panel in the 0.66 single chip XPR DLPs is not native 4K, it meets the CTA 4K UHD requirements & is capable of looking as sharp with real world content (and frankly less artifacts) than Native 4K LCOS panels that have unavoidable panel alignment issues. It puts the DLP manufs in a tricky spot since it looks just as good as native 4K LCOS but technically isn't a native 4K panel, and the shifting final result is head and shoulder far superior than any 1080p LCOS shifters. Speaking of which, JVC recently did some marketing claiming the NX9 does "8K" when: A) it only has ~6K of pixels onscreen, not 8K; B) it doesn't accept 8k; C) users report 8K mode looks worse than native 4K - seems far more misleading than any claims DLP manufs are making IMO. The BenQ product page is actually 100% upfront on how the HT9060 gets to 4K with pixel diagrams and everything.

HOWEVER, if TI at some points releases a consumer native 4K DMD, such as an 0.95" native 4K, that will be even sharper (and noticeably so) than the 0.66 XPR. So while the 0.66 XPR 4K UHD looks comparable to native 4K LCOS in sharpness, if TI puts out a consumer native 4K DMD that will be far sharper than anything else available today for consumers - as you know the 1.38" native 4K pro DMD is already out but too expensive to use with any consumer stuff.
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Has anyone found any expert reviews of this projector so far?

Rob from ProjectorCentral mentioned that he's got one coming his way for review. So hopefully soon.
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Another projector to add to the list to see. Dave How is the fan noise? Any motion judder? How does it do with 50hz material?
The 50hz is crystal clean. I just hit my 970 with the opening 5 mins of Planet Earth II, it was the sharpest thing I've ever seen on that unit so far.

I'm sitting about 7 ft from the projector and, while it's slightly louder than my previous 1080p machines, it doesn't impinge on content viewing... it has a softer tenor to the noise, more of a 'whoosh', that the 'buzz' of other boxes.

Motion handling is good, I've watched a good selection of disparate content sources, and frame speeds, and it seems to replicate them without any extra artifacting. ( although I have to admit here, that I feel whoever invented 'motionsmoothing' should be burned at the stake)
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The 50hz is crystal clean. I just hit my 970 with the opening 5 mins of Planet Earth II, it was the sharpest thing I've ever seen on that unit so far.

I'm sitting about 7 ft from the projector and, while it's slightly louder than my previous 1080p machines, it doesn't impinge on content viewing... it has a softer tenor to the noise, more of a 'whoosh', that the 'buzz' of other boxes.

Motion handling is good, I've watched a good selection of disparate content sources, and frame speeds, and it seems to replicate them without any extra artifacting. ( although I have to admit here, that I feel whoever invented 'motionsmoothing' should be burned at the stake)
I too have this projector and it’s brilliant. Do you find you have to constantly adjust the picture alignment on your 9060? My alignment always tends to go to the right of screen a fraction. Not a biggy but would be nice if it stayed where I adjusted it
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I am was very interested in the HT9060 until I noticed it doesn’t have lens memory. I was so excited reading about it and then the let down! Why they didn’t include the lens memory for a projector near $10k?! For those of us that do not have an anamorphic lens or want to spend $7000 plus for an anamorphic lens and would like to simply just zoom in on our widescreen this is a major dealbreaker.

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I am was very interested in the HT9060 until I noticed it doesn’t have lens memory. I was so excited reading about it and then the let down! Why they didn’t include the lens memory for a projector near $10k?! For those of us that do not have an anamorphic lens or want to spend $7000 plus for an anamorphic lens and would like to simply just zoom in on our widescreen this is a major dealbreaker.

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I too have this projector and it’s brilliant. Do you find you have to constantly adjust the picture alignment on your 9060? My alignment always tends to go to the right of screen a fraction. Not a biggy but would be nice if it stayed where I adjusted it
Which one do you have, the LK970 or the HT9060?
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You can get the HT9060 and a 4K capable anamorphic lens for MUCH less than $10K if you’re willing to go used/like new.


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Which one do you have, the LK970 or the HT9060?
I have the Ht9060/x120000
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I have the Ht9060/x120000

I think the person you quoted was talking about the LK970 though.
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I think the person you quoted was talking about the LK970 though.
My bad. Wrong person to quote. Still I need my question answered. The image moves a fraction after adjustment. Did you find this was the case when you had the 9050? Both machines are similar and use the same lens engine lever system
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I think the person you quoted was talking about the LK970 though.
My bad. Wrong person to quote. Still I need my question answered. The image moves a fraction after adjustment. Did you find this was the case when you had the 9050?
Both machines are similar and use the same lens engine lever system
My Ht9050 did not do that.
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I think it looks nice over all. When I forced her10 everything was red then put in on auto and everything looked great.
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Just finished venom 4k streamed through Amazon. It seems the Amazon version didn't have hdr just 4k but it looked fantastic!
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Nice to see some other people getting this projector. I am going to get some 3D glasses soon and hopefully comment on that. My Sony glasses are not compatible.

I will say my son and I were both sick and home and chilling in the theater all day with no worries about the bulb fixes any concerns about blacks that aren't as 'black' as they could be.

I saw I think Dave talking about how could I say it is better than the LK970/990 I am not saying that. What I said is for some ambient light the HT9060 is totally fine and I actually would not want it any brighter. Everyone's rooms are different and I am sure the LK970 looks awesome as well.

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Nice to see some other people getting this projector. I am going to get some 3D glasses soon and hopefully comment on that. My Sony glasses are not compatible.
Looking forward to hearing how they work out. I do have a batcave so I think this projector out of the box will work for me. Would replace a Vango, it's hard to gauge calibrated vs. published specs, but I believe this would be quite a step up in brightness on my 120" screen?

The 990 is intriguing but I think if this is significantly brighter than what I already have it will be more than enough.

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I saw I think Dave talking about how could I say it is better than the LK970/990 I am not saying that. What I said is for some ambient light the HT9060 is totally fine and I actually would not want it any brighter. Everyone's rooms are different and I am sure the LK970 looks awesome as well..........
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The 990 is intriguing but I think if this is significantly brighter than what I already have it will be more than enough.

It isn’t so much the brightness as it is the lens and I think the laser and what it does to the image qualities. When I compared the HT9050 and the LK970, it was readily apparent. The 970 had a nice, calm, smooth film-like image to it but it was also razor sharp and SO detailed with depth that looked 3D! The 9050 never gave me this feeling. It was “nice” and people would enjoy it if that’s what they saw without comparing. But the LK970 has this “OMG” jaw dropping feeling to it that hit you like a ton of bricks when watching good HDR and good full resolution, non-bit starved HD football like I got with NBC, CBS and even 720p ESPN. (FOX sucked!!!)

Seriously though. I don’t want to make it sound like the HT90x0 are crap. They’re also amazing machines and have their place too. I just liked what the LK970 was giving to me when I compared it with the 9050, so that’s what I chose. Enjoy your choice too!!!
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It isn’t so much the brightness as it is the lens and I think the laser and what it does to the image qualities. When I compared the HT9050 and the LK970, it was readily apparent. The 970 had a nice, calm, smooth film-like image to it but it was also razor sharp and SO detailed with depth that looked 3D! The 9050 never gave me this feeling. It was “nice” and people would enjoy it if that’s what they saw without comparing. But the LK970 has this “OMG” jaw dropping feeling to it that hit you like a ton of bricks when watching good HDR and good full resolution, non-bit starved HD football like I got with NBC, CBS and even 720p ESPN. (FOX sucked!!!)

Seriously though. I don’t want to make it sound like the HT90x0 are crap. They’re also amazing machines and have their place too. I just liked what the LK970 was giving to me when I compared it with the 9050, so that’s what I chose. Enjoy your choice too!!!
In an ideal world I could see both in a similar setting to mine, I'm just not sure the likelihood of that.

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Nice to see some other people getting this projector. I am going to get some 3D glasses soon and hopefully comment on that. My Sony glasses are not compatible.
Get Optoma ZD302 $50 at Amazon, they will give you best quality. I believe BenQ ones are same design but are more expensive.
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It isn’t so much the brightness as it is the lens and I think the laser and what it does to the image qualities. When I compared the HT9050 and the LK970, it was readily apparent. The 970 had a nice, calm, smooth film-like image to it but it was also razor sharp and SO detailed with depth that looked 3D! The 9050 never gave me this feeling. It was “nice” and people would enjoy it if that’s what they saw without comparing. But the LK970 has this “OMG” jaw dropping feeling to it that hit you like a ton of bricks when watching good HDR and good full resolution, non-bit starved HD football like I got with NBC, CBS and even 720p ESPN. (FOX sucked!!!)

Seriously though. I don’t want to make it sound like the HT90x0 are crap. They’re also amazing machines and have their place too. I just liked what the LK970 was giving to me when I compared it with the 9050, so that’s what I chose. Enjoy your choice too!!!
Keep in mind the person you are replying to with the HT9060 already had to return the UHZ65 because the RBE bothered them so much. I know you felt the LK970/LK990 was better in this aspect but they use a very similar sequential color output that would likely bother people who were also much bothered by the UHZ65. Thus in this case maybe not the best idea to try lk970/lk990.
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So is it worth it to use a linker to pass dolby vision? I purchased the linker to use in the 9050 but it never worked correctly.
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Keep in mind the person you are replying to with the HT9060 already had to return the UHZ65 because the RBE bothered them so much. I know you felt the LK970/LK990 was better in this aspect but they use a very similar sequential color output that would likely bother people who were also much bothered by the UHZ65. Thus in this case maybe not the best idea to try lk970/lk990.
That's not me, though I admit I am a little concerned about minimizing RBE.

I've had a Vango for 8 years and coming from that. I will say that the HT9060 probably has slightly more appeal because it sounds like it would be most similar upgrade path on the Vango and also that it is the most out of the box ready solution.

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That's not me, though I admit I am a little concerned about minimizing RBE.

I've had a Vango for 8 years and coming from that. I will say that the HT9060 probably has slightly more appeal because it sounds like it would be most similar upgrade path on the Vango and also that it is the most out of the box ready solution.
No it was the other guy quoted in same post (svt)

Ht9060 is closest to the vango design, but it may end up being a better supplement for HDR/3D rather than a full on replacement for 1080p SDR

If you don't mind the higher rbe potential I'd also take a look at the new high contrast variant of the DPI evision 4k, that one seems to have best dlp 4k contrast specs while still pulling 4700 lumens.

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No it was the other guy quoted in same post (svt)

Ht9060 is closest to the vango design, but it may end up being a better supplement for HDR/3D rather than a full on replacement for 1080p SDR
That would be disappointing. I've been moving towards 4K/HDR (and built a substantial 3D library in the earlier part of the decade but never watched on larger than a 65" LCD) but I still have a pretty substantial BluRay library that I won't be upgrading all of.

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That would be disappointing. I've been moving towards 4K/HDR (and built a substantial 3D library in the earlier part of the decade but never watched on larger than a 65" LCD) but I still have a pretty substantial BluRay library that I won't be upgrading all of.
We will see but I have the vivitek h9090 which is similar to the vango (tho gives.up some contrast for double the brightness) and based on the early reports it sounds like this BenQ just doesn't have enough aggressive dimming for SDR content to beat my PJ overall @ 1080p SDR. However, the HDR performance sounds pretty great - those HDR highlights typical in dark scenes of HDR grades perceptually trick the brain into seeing deeper blacks thus dimming less crucial. Will need more info but sounding this way.

IMO those high end LED DLPs were pretty much the pinnacle of single chip 1080p SDR DLP tech and only outdated now because HDR needs more lumens. So having the combo of the two may be overall best in the end. I especially like the brightness/contrast tradeoff in the delta 2nd gen (dpi Cine LED 1000, vivitek h9090) that made them good for up to 140" screens.

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We will see but I have the vivitek h9090 which is similar to the vango (tho gives.up some contrast for double the brightness) and based on the early reports it sounds like this BenQ just doesn't have enough aggressive dimming for SDR content to beat my PJ overall @ 1080p SDR. However, the HDR performance sounds pretty great - those HDR highlights typical in dark scenes of HDR grades perceptually trick the brain into seeing deeper blacks thus dimming less crucial. Will need more info but sounding this way.

IMO those high end LED DLPs were pretty much the pinnacle of single chip 1080p SDR DLP tech and only outdated now because HDR needs more lumens. So having the combo of the two may be overall best in the end. I especially like the brightness/contrast tradeoff in the delta 2nd gen (dpi Cine LED 1000, vivitek h9090) that made them good for up to 140" screens.
I turned off the adaptive dimming on the Vango because it seemed overly aggressive. Maybe I should give it another look. If I were going to run a projector just for HDR and 3D I could probably run something cheaper until the right single projector came along.

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I turned off the adaptive dimming on the Vango because it seemed overly aggressive. Maybe I should give it another look. If I were going to run a projector just for HDR and 3D I could probably run something cheaper until the right single projector came along.
I believe the ht9060 is around half the native contrast of your vango but about 4x as bright. Less aggressive dimming but maybe not aggressive enough based on comments for 1000:1 native.

The DPI E Vision 4k uhd HC is apparently 2000:1 native like your vango and 10x as bright probably with better dimming than the ht9060. But it also costs over twice as much as the ht9060.
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