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I had the NX7 and the NX9 I definitively Prefer the NX9 over NX7, don't get me wrong the NX7 is fantastic but when I compared both projectors on my 100” Stewart StudioTek 130 G3 the NX9 had a better image. My recommendation is if meets your budget go for it.
You should also try to compare the two projector yourself as you are the one who has to live with it.

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I had the NX7 and the NX9 I definitively Prefer the NX9 over NX7, don't get me wrong the NX7 is fantastic but when I compared both projectors on my 100” Stewart StudioTek 130 G3 the NX9 had a better image. My recommendation is if meets your budget go for it.
You should also try to compare the two projector yourself as you are the one who has to live with it.
The RS3000/NX9 should outperform the RS2000/N7 because of the higher quality lens and the increase in contrast. If the price was MSRP of $12k or less, I would have jumped on it, but at more than double the price, I preferred to get the RS2000/N7 with very similar performance. Getting that smaller performance increase just was not worth double to me.
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Short story, imo the NX9 is overpriced in light of what the NX7 provides for far less money....

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I must agree, that is a crazy amount of money for the next step up.
It is a "step up" most certainly, but it is still a crazy amount of money.

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My RS640 (with dynamic iris) was very close to inky blacks. My RS500 was good but not in the same league. My RS4500 was slightly worse black wise than the RS640 (except full fade to black which really is pure back). The RS500 was bested by the RS4500 in almost all cases.
Why was an RS-500 worse than the RS-4500 black level...
Isn't the RS-500 supposed to measure the same as the RS-520/540?

Some people have said there was no difference or "almost no difference" in contrast between the 540/640.
I think Cleveland Plasma said he even knew calibrators that measured the 640 with less contrast.

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I must agree, that is a crazy amount of money for the next step up.
It is a "step up" most certainly, but it is still a crazy amount of money.
When I bought mine the difference between the RS2000 and the RS3000 was very small.
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In the end, everyone has a different determination of something being worth it or not, so the question cannot really be answered.
All I can say though is, sometimes this forum magnifies the tiniest differences, and sometimes the differences are enough.
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Has anyone directly compared the NX7 with NX9? After reading this thread, I can’t find a compelling reason to spend the extra $6k (usd street) on NX9.
Yes, back in April. The NX9 does have slightly better fine detail and better color saturation in 4K content while 8K e-shift does add some edge detail. Now, these improvements were best noticed during still (paused) viewing and directly compared to the NX7. During normal viewing I think the differences are a bit less obvious--that's just me. But most in the room agreed the NX9 was not worth more than double the price for the more budget-minded enthusiast. And had our budget been $10K more, I likely would have invested more on the audio side of things.

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Why was an RS-500 worse than the RS-4500 black level...
Isn't the RS-500 supposed to measure the same as the RS-520/540?

Some people have said there was no difference or "almost no difference" in contrast between the 540/640.
I think Cleveland Plasma said he even knew calibrators that measured the 640 with less contrast.
Yep, the dynamic dimming is just extremely good. This is why I own an RS4500 over an RS3000. The RS4500 just has the lower black floor. The RS640 sample I had was probably better than most for contrast. The RS500/RS600 firmware may not be as aggressive, but the RS640 definitely clamped harder than the RS500.

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The RS3000/NX9 should outperform the RS2000/N7 because of the higher quality lens and the increase in contrast. If the price was MSRP of $12k or less, I would have jumped on it, but at more than double the price, I preferred to get the RS2000/N7 with very similar performance. Getting that smaller performance increase just was not worth double to me.
I agree that if you are limited with your budget the NX7 makes the most sense.

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Short story, imo the NX9 is overpriced in light of what the NX7 provides for far less money....

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I agree but I got a great deal on the NX9 so it was a no brainer.
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In the end, everyone has a different determination of something being worth it or not, so the question cannot really be answered.
All I can say though is, sometimes this forum magnifies the tiniest differences, and sometimes the differences are enough.
I upgraded every year for awhile because I got majority of my pre-order price back to purchase a new model. However, the PQ was basically unnoticed majority of the time. For years, JVC brought out new models with simple tweaks. Even though I believe the RS2000/N7 is an amazing projector, the RS1000/NX5 can get extremely close for a few thousands cheaper. It will miss out on the WCG filter and 10-20k CR depending on preference. With the RS3000 compared to the lower two models, it's a minimal upgrade on paper with an enormous price tag.
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Short story, imo the NX9 is overpriced in light of what the NX7 provides for far less money....
Nearly 100% more cost, is it 100% better to you is the question. You only live once, life is to short for cheap beer and projectors
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Nearly 100% more cost, is it 100% better to you is the question. You only live once, life is to short for cheap beer and projectors
Cheap projectors give me headaches, however cheap beer does not.
Anyhow, the NX-5 is not what most would call a cheap projector.
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With the RS3000 compared to the lower two models, it's a minimal upgrade on paper with an enormous price tag.
However, the RS3000 real world price is generally much cheaper than people realize. Depending on the country you live in the difference in price between the RS2000 and RS3000 is relatively small. You just need to price shop with different dealers and the more expensive projectors get the biggest discounts.
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However, the RS3000 real world price is generally much cheaper than people realize. Depending on the country you live in the difference in price between the RS2000 and RS3000 is relatively small. You just need to price shop with different dealers and the more expensive projectors get the biggest discounts.
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I've pretty much made up my mind to get the RS2000, but since I won't be able to do it until around Sept 2020, I'll definitely be looking out for a price-dropped RS3000 unit at that time as well. No question, if the difference in cost is considerably less steep than what the MSRP indicates, I'll happily pay a little more for the latter. That said, here in Canada, we often miss the better pricing opportunities that the US and parts of Europe sees.
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I upgraded every year for awhile because I got majority of my pre-order price back to purchase a new model. However, the PQ was basically unnoticed majority of the time. For years, JVC brought out new models with simple tweaks. Even though I believe the RS2000/N7 is an amazing projector, the RS1000/NX5 can get extremely close for a few thousands cheaper. It will miss out on the WCG filter and 10-20k CR depending on preference. With the RS3000 compared to the lower two models, it's a minimal upgrade on paper with an enormous price tag.
The big difference is the big amazing lens - the same lens as on the RS4500. Good optics cost money. You get corner to corner sharpness for that extra money. Which may be worth it to some.
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The big difference is the big amazing lens - the same lens as on the RS4500. Good optics cost money. You get corner to corner sharpness for that extra money. Which may be worth it to some.
Also, higher lumens and a better contrast ratio, it would seem.
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Also, higher lumens and a better contrast ratio, it would seem.
The higher lumens are a result of the much larger lens.
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Also, higher lumens and a better contrast ratio, it would seem.

The higher lumens and contrast is minimal and may not even be noticeable. The lens is definitely the reason that it is more and the 8k eshift implementation. The RS2000/N7 and RS3000/NX9 can achieve the same brightness and contrast. There are reasons why the RS3000/NX9 is more expensive but it depends on how much you want to pay for the improvements.
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The higher lumens and contrast is minimal and may not even be noticeable. The lens is definitely the reason that it is more and the 8k eshift implementation. The RS2000/N7 and RS3000/NX9 can achieve the same brightness and contrast. There are reasons why the RS3000/NX9 is more expensive but it depends on how much you want to pay for the improvements.
So, what you're saying is that the improvements over the NX7 are not commensurate with the increase in cost because you're mostly going to make use of the better lens?

What's interesting is that if the lens is the main reason for the price hike in the NX9, you're then really paying double over the NX7 for the lens? Now, let's look at DLPs for example, and one of the members here, Woofer, said he liked the BenQ LK970 lens as being as good or better than the one in his RS4500. With DLPs, if you look at the addition of the higher end lenses or even laser to the base models, will the addition of either one or even both of those upgrades double the actual selling price of the base DLP projector? Do a search and see what you find.
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I would say lens alone is not worth it most of the time unless for HTPC use or gaming, or you sit incredibly close.
However, it depends how much sharper overall things focus, than just the lens.
So would have to see it, but every time I've taken a guess on these things then tested in person, I've been correct.

It's just not that easy to see differences in lens in movie watching.
DLP has a tighter focus due to no convergence and because the pixel spacing is larger.
DLP should generally benefit from a better lens more than LCOS or any 3-chip.

The JVC's are nowhere near the focus issues of some of the lower-end Sony's, the JVC's are fairly uniform regardless of the lens. They may not focus quite as perfectly with cheaper lens, but there is no significant difference on MOST of the JVC's I've seen across the screen as far as uniformity goes. You might be able to see a tiny tiny focus uniformity on a test pattern, but most JVC's look uniform on HTPC text. If you cannot see it on HTPC text, you're not going to see an increase in focus uniformity in a movie, that's not even close.
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So, what you're saying is that the improvements over the NX7 are not commensurate with the increase in cost because you're mostly going to make use of the better lens?

What's interesting is that if the lens is the main reason for the price hike in the NX9, you're then really paying double over the NX7 for the lens? Now, let's look at DLPs for example, and one of the members here, Woofer, said he liked the BenQ LK970 lens as being as good or better than the one in his RS4500. With DLPs, if you look at the addition of the higher end lenses or even laser to the base models, will the addition of either one or even both of those upgrades double the actual selling price of the base DLP projector? Do a search and see what you find.
Normally, the mid and higher end models are 8k and 12k respectively. The increased specs can easily equate to an MSRP of $10k and the 8k eshift implementation can add to the $12k MSRP price. With the better lens, JVC is adding the additional cost of MSRP $18k. Marketing strategy makes sense, but I believe the RS2000/N7 at half the price gets you close that the savings are worth not going up to the higher end model. There is an improvement in the tiers. Lenses are always a significant cost to projectors
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There is an improvement in the tiers. Lenses are always a significant cost to projectors
I wouldn't say an outstanding lens is always a significant increase in cost, however. I had a solid state BenQ projector with a high quality and low dispersion lens, and it was outstanding...best lens I've ever seen. And the cost of the projector with that lens for me was not much more than the cost of the model with the lesser lens. I understand that I compared it with with my JVCs and they are three chippers, but I, of course, was looking at the corner to corner sharpness, the brightness uniformity, and the lack of chromatic aberration, all of which have nothing to do with the lens being affixed to a single chip or three chip device.
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I received my NX9 on Christmas Eve, coming from a Sony 285es. I can with out a doubt SEE a BIG difference. I never saw an NX5, or NX7.

The clarity is bananas, the brightness is sick, I'm in Cinema heaven. I didn't want regrets about not getting a rs4500, but seeing how its 87lbs, I'ma make due with 46lbs.


Even though it will be gone soon........
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I received my NX9 on Christmas Eve, coming from a Sony 285es. I can with out a doubt SEE a BIG difference. I never saw an NX5, or NX7.

The clarity is bananas, the brightness is sick, I'm in Cinema heaven. I didn't want regrets about not getting a rs4500, but seeing how its 87lbs, I'ma make due with 46lbs.


Even though it will be gone soon........
Nice upgrade--enjoy it. I swapped a Sony 385ES for the RS2000 (NX7) and it was a huge improvement.
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Ha, I finally did get to see both an NX7 and NX9. One thing that surprised me about the NX7 was it did resolve pixels end to end just not perfect focus like the NX9 did end to end. In the middle of the screen the NX7 was perfect though, and for alot of us that is good enough.

Actually what was frustrating to me about the NX9 is that it resolves so good that you want to be using the best source and sitting closer than I would normally sit to appreciate what it can do, at normal seating you do lose a bit of it's "perfection" compared to the NX7.

I've seen quite a few projectors and the NX9 is worth the price compared to what we've had in the past but the NX7 will get you pretty darn close for a lot less.

I'll probably be upgrading my RS540 after seeing these two!
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I know that the lens is better on the NX9 but I am wondering if panel alignment is another factor to consider in comparing it with the NX7.

I know some NX7 and other JVC's have had great panel alignment out of the box while others have not been perfect. I think it could be "luck of the draw" and this
might also alter one's decision.

I am also sure that if you get a NX9 with great panel alignment it will probably be better than an NX7 because of the lens. The big question is if it is worth the difference
in price. I would think that for most people the NX7 is the "sweet spot" in the JVC line.
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Question: would the RS2000 + Paladin DCR lens create a bright / contrasty enough image for a 13-foot wide 2:35 screen (likely using Studiotek 100 as the screen material)?
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Question: would the RS2000 + Paladin DCR lens create a bright / contrasty enough image for a 13-foot wide 2:35 screen (likely using Studiotek 100 as the screen material)?
I would also use a Studiotek 130 as the material in that situation.
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