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Does anyone else find it interesting that we have another instance of someone registering a brand new account for the sole purpose of exclusively making posts in this thread?

Found this thread interesting, normaly just reading on this forum, sorry that i have not posted in other threads, anything i posted you find disturbing?
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Found this thread interesting, normaly just reading on this forum, sorry that i have not posted in other threads, anything i posted you find disturbing?
You handled this inquiry as any seasoned veteran burner account would. Kudos.

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Thanks, im touched by the warm welcome on this site, how long and how many posts do i need to collect before opinions and questions is alowed in this thread?
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Sorry, I was having fun at your expense. I apologize. Please feel free to ask questions and post commentary. I was supposed to be using my sarcastic voice.

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Good to hear you have found this thread to be of interest. Looking forward to your contributions and welcome to the forum

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Kris Deering's review, the one officially published in Sound and Vision, in it Kris says the NX9's full on/off contrast was (only) 51,800:1 dynamic contrast with aperture closed.

See for yourself: https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...iew-test-bench
This is correct. Remember that with the aperture fully closed and in the dynamic mode, the dynamic implementation can't take advantage of the aperture moving. Best contrast in that case will always be aperture at 0 and dynamic on, which gave about 232,000:1.

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Kris Deering's review, the one officially published in Sound and Vision, in it Kris says the NX9's full on/off contrast was (only) 51,800:1 dynamic contrast with aperture closed.

See for yourself

Think Kris Deering was a bit out of training on that review, the JVC software have multipoint gamma / grayscale adjustments you can use for manual adjustment while measuring with whatever meter you like, and the average dE can easy be below 0,5 on the grayscale, often as low as 0,2 if you take your time.
I have seen a calibrated NX9 that measured 70000:1 with the iris closed around -12/-13 and it was just above 100000:1 fully closed, anything less i would ship the unit back and get a replacement.

And the manual 20 point grayscale/ gamma adjustment is not a new feature in the JVC software, been there for years.
Not out of training at all. We don't use the JVC Auotcalibration for review purposes because JVC doesn't even like us mentioning it. So all calibration is done strictly with the projector's controls. I did mention that they have external software (and I was surprised that JVC allowed it duding the fact check as they typically don't like it even mentioned).

As for seeing a NX9 with nearly 100,000:1 native I'd love to have that unit. I've measured A LOT of NX9's and haven't seen anything near that yet. The F-stop of the aperture on the new NX series is different than the older eShift models, which is why peak contrast doesn't get nearly as high as you close the apertures down. JVC had zero issues with my contrast numbers during the fact check, and obviously there will always be unit variance.

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I think that depends very much what kind of error that is, if the colors are shifting, and specially in the low end dE 3 is a extreme error that is very visible, personally ill always want dE below 1 if possible, and colors tracking linear, not crossing each other. And if dE 3 is ok you dont need any fancy meter, a cheap Xrite profiled will do much better than that, so your basically saying that the top noch equipment is a waste of money.

Still the main point was that if you have a NX9 that maxes out around 50000:1 its so much off specs that it should be shipped back for a replacement, or you just as well find a good sample of a N5/ RS1000
When I calibrate a projector for personal use or a client I always shoot for a peak dE value for anything in a series to be a 2 and under with an average of less than 1. Grayscale/Gamma measurements for clients are typically a peak of 1 or less with an average of around .5 or less. Color all depends on the unit as some of the JVC models still have issues with green and hue shift or peak blue/red values at 100% saturation that high while the rest of the gamut tracks well.

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Dont help much to use top notch equipment if you dont use the full potential of the projectors calibration capabilities, and the JVC projectors Grayscale and gamma can be calibrated extremely accurate using a combination of the autocal, and manual correction, and you can create a custom color profile for the projector that corrects the spyder probe errors.

Ill concider a average dE of 1.6 on the grayscale to be a sloppy calibation, but im not sure many calibrators would like to spend the time it takes to fiddel it to perfection.
Again, the review was done all with the projector controls, not the auto calibration software or any other outboard tools. For the purposes of a review the calibration was fine. Results could be achieved that are much better than that with the auto calibration software.

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Ahhahaa, Chris, you're too much. Lol. Mark would definitely get the NX9 hands down.
Big price difference between the two.......To some the cost is not worth the reward.
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This is correct. Remember that with the aperture fully closed and in the dynamic mode, the dynamic implementation can't take advantage of the aperture moving. Best contrast in that case will always be aperture at 0 and dynamic on, which gave about 232,000:1.
I appreciate the follow up, Kris.

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Not out of training at all. We don't use the JVC Auotcalibration for review purposes because JVC doesn't even like us mentioning it. So all calibration is done strictly with the projector's controls. I did mention that they have external software (and I was surprised that JVC allowed it duding the fact check as they typically don't like it even mentioned).
I never had a question about that. Oh, I saw the conflation of my quote with ed1985's, this with this, so never mind :

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Kris Deering's review, the one officially published in Sound and Vision, in it Kris says the NX9's full on/off contrast was (only) 51,800:1 dynamic contrast with aperture closed.

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Think Kris Deering was a bit out of training on that review, the JVC software have multipoint gamma / grayscale adjustments you can use for manual adjustment while measuring with whatever meter you like, and the average dE can easy be below 0,5 on the grayscale, often as low as 0,2 if you take your time.
I have seen a calibrated NX9 that measured 70000:1 with the iris closed around -12/-13 and it was just above 100000:1 fully closed, anything less i would ship the unit back and get a replacement.

And the manual 20 point grayscale/ gamma adjustment is not a new feature in the JVC software, been there for years.
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As for seeing a NX9 with nearly 100,000:1 native I'd love to have that unit. I've measured A LOT of NX9's and haven't seen anything near that yet. The F-stop of the aperture on the new NX series is different than the older eShift models, which is why peak contrast doesn't get nearly as high as you close the apertures down. JVC had zero issues with my contrast numbers during the fact check, and obviously there will always be unit variance.
...good to know. I, personally, would have found it quite odd for unit-to-unit variation to reach out to nearly double what you measured. Thanks for this update!
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Big price difference between the two.......To some the cost is not worth the reward.
I'm with you here.

I was just passing a joke to our friend, Mark, because it's abundantly clear how much he loves his RS4500, as he should, I think.
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I guess the real question is if you had to do it all over again, what would you get?
I'd still buy an RS4500 again today. I didn't see anything at Cedia that looked better. Although the RS3000 was a close 2nd. And the VW5000's looked better to me this year than last year, but they are too expensive and overkill for my screen.
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I have to say here that if you buy a rs3000/Nx9
And the contrast was 50000:1 on it it will go directly back to the seller.

My Nx9 measure around the same as above.
Fully closed some over 100000:1 in low lamp.
High lamp around 130000:1

Measured into the lens. So accurate.

Fully open 24000:1 in low and 27000:1 in high lamp mode.

Calibrated to 16FL in my cinema around native 80000:1
Ansi contrast average in all 12 fields 250:1
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I have to say here that if you buy a rs3000/Nx9
And the contrast was 50000:1 on it it will go directly back to the seller.

My Nx9 measure around the same as above.
Fully closed some over 100000:1 in low lamp.
High lamp around 130000:1

Measured into the lens. So accurate.

Fully open 24000:1 in low and 27000:1 in high lamp mode.

Calibrated to 16FL in my cinema around native 80000:1
Ansi contrast average in all 12 fields 250:1
I'm not saying your measurements are wrong, but your measurements were the only ones I've ever seen get anywhere near spec on the NX9. Your dynamic measurements, if I remember right, were closer to 800K:1 vs everyone else around 225K:1.

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Ahhahaa, Chris, you're too much. Lol. Mark would definitely get the NX9 hands down.
Of course I'd still get the RS4500

Even if it turns out that things have changed and the NX9 black floor is better than what I saw and even if its better than my RS4500, I'm done with a mechanical moving iris that will break. I've had terrible luck with moving iris on my last 2 projectors and am glad not to be going through that again. Solid state dimming may not increase contrast as it dims, but it has its own benefits and definitely lowers the black floor as intended and is a lot less visible than a moving iris due to its speed. The other thing I like is that as the picture is being dimmed, my laser life is being extended
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I have to say here that if you buy a rs3000/Nx9
And the contrast was 50000:1 on it it will go directly back to the seller.

My Nx9 measure around the same as above.
Fully closed some over 100000:1 in low lamp.
High lamp around 130000:1

Measured into the lens. So accurate.

Fully open 24000:1 in low and 27000:1 in high lamp mode.

Calibrated to 16FL in my cinema around native 80000:1
Ansi contrast average in all 12 fields 250:1
I'm not saying your measurements are wrong, but your measurements were the only ones I've ever seen get anywhere near spec on the NX9. Your dynamic measurements, if I remember right, were closer to 800K:1 vs everyone else around 225K:1.
My measurements are 100% correct .
My projektor has changed some and I have lost some light. So with iris some more open you get some lower contrast. Logic?
What is not logic is that my projector have changed after upgrading to v2.8
So are in contact with JVC

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My measurements are 100% correct .
My projektor has changed some and I have lost some light. So with iris some more open you get some lower contrast. Logic?
What is not logic is that my projector have changed after upgrading to v2.8
So are in contact with JVC
In what way did it change after the firmware update?

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My measurements are 100% correct .
My projektor has changed some and I have lost some light. So with iris some more open you get some lower contrast. Logic?
What is not logic is that my projector have changed after upgrading to v2.8
So are in contact with JVC
In what way did it change after the firmware update?
Heat up about 1 hour with 15% to much blue.
Startup gamma 2.75 when calibrated to 2.4.
So can’t watch it before 1 hour.

Autoiris contrast now 150000:1 had 1000000:1.
So basically drastic change.

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I just wanted to mention this also.

For the NX9 don’t forget there are technically 2 other “controls” for light level and black floor.

Yes the main 2 are bulb mode and iris.

But you can also use the BT2020 filter to both lower the black floor further and also increase contrast.

A discrepancy between the contrast people are measuring at -15 or even at 0 iris may be that some have the filter on and some have the filter off.

Finally the projector zoom lens also makes a difference for both black floor and contrast.

If you want to be like JVC when they measure the native contrast of their projector for spec, you need to go iris -15, BT2020 filter On, and zoom lens at the farthest zoom (farthest away from the screen at a given screen size).

Also you can use the BT2020 filter on SDR. With autocal you can create a rec709F color profile that tracks rec709 but with the filter On.
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I just wanted to mention this also.

For the NX9 don’️t forget there are technically 2 other “controls” for light level and black floor.

Yes the main 2 are bulb mode and iris.

But you can also use the BT2020 filter to both lower the black floor further and also increase contrast.

A discrepancy between the contrast people are measuring at -15 or even at 0 iris may be that some have the filter on and some have the filter off.

Finally the projector zoom lens also makes a difference for both black floor and contrast.

If you want to be like JVC when they measure the native contrast of their projector for spec, you need to go iris -15, BT2020 filter On, and zoom lens at the farthest zoom (farthest away from the screen at a given screen size).

Also you can use the BT2020 filter on SDR. With autocal you can create a rec709F color profile that tracks rec709 but with the filter On.
Good info to people that don’t know this.

I have calibrated so many JVCs so I know all JVC models inn and out.
My room has not changed. So then only one thing the projector. Agreed?
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you can create a custom color profile for the projector that corrects the spyder probe errors.

Hi, ed1985. Thanks for bringing up probe errors. You know...I liked using Autocal on my e-shift series...but I never really knew how well DE was represented when I used Autocal. I mean the image looked a little better but sometimes it seemed off. I have the Spyder 5 meter, but without comparing it to a reference meter, I was never sure whether it was the problem, regardless of what my DE readings were. (I also have the i1dis3, and now I'm thinking of sending it off for a reference calibration.)

We as consumers get all giddy about things like Autocal, but without having our meters set to the reference standards, we might find ourselves calibrating in the dark in more ways than one.
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Heat up about 1 hour with 15% to much blue.
Startup gamma 2.75 when calibrated to 2.4.
So can’t watch it before 1 hour.

Autoiris contrast now 150000:1 had 1000000:1.
So basically drastic change.

DJ, if I understand correctly, you're saying you have to leave your projector on for an hour before you can watch it with proper color? Is that with the color filter in place?
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I'm not saying your measurements are wrong, but your measurements were the only ones I've ever seen get anywhere near spec on the NX9. Your dynamic measurements, if I remember right, were closer to 800K:1 vs everyone else around 225K:1.
It is my understanding that that was with respect to the launch firmware, wherein I measured pretty much the same, circa 750K:1, then JVC made changes to fix the malfunctioning DI and the measurement dropped to circa 225 - 250K:1

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I have to say here that if you buy a rs3000/Nx9
And the contrast was 50000:1 on it it will go directly back to the seller.

My Nx9 measure around the same as above.
Fully closed some over 100000:1 in low lamp.
High lamp around 130000:1

Measured into the lens. So accurate.

Fully open 24000:1 in low and 27000:1 in high lamp mode.

Calibrated to 16FL in my cinema around native 80000:1
Ansi contrast average in all 12 fields 250:1
Yes, but I think it's fair to say what you have there is a golden sample. That is NOT representative of the performance of the typical unit. Can I steal your unit please?

Personally, I have measured 85,000 - 100,000:1 peak native ON/OFF contrast with respect to the JVC RS3000/NX9

However, some units have had much worse internal reflections and light scatter within the optical block which have hammered contrast performance as well as increasing artefacts such as streaking / clouding / blooming. These measured lower than this.

Kris' measurements are accurate with respect to the performance of that unit

I have a brand new unit with latest firmware here that I will be using for my in-depth evaluation so it will be interesting to see what this measures

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Heat up about 1 hour with 15% to much blue.
Startup gamma 2.75 when calibrated to 2.4.
So can’️t watch it before 1 hour.

Autoiris contrast now 150000:1 had 1000000:1.
So basically drastic change.

DJ, if I understand correctly, you're saying you have to leave your projector on for an hour before you can watch it with proper color? Is that with the color filter in place?
Yes.
You don’t use any color filter in D65 REC 709

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Hi, ed1985. Thanks for bringing up probe errors. You know...I liked using Autocal on my e-shift series...but I never really knew how well DE was represented when I used Autocal. I mean the image looked a little better but sometimes it seemed off. I have the Spyder 5 meter, but without comparing it to a reference meter, I was never sure whether it was the problem, regardless of what my DE readings were. (I also have the i1dis3, and now I'm thinking of sending it off for a reference calibration.)



We as consumers get all giddy about things like Autocal, but without having our meters set to the reference standards, we might find ourselves calibrating in the dark in more ways than one.


Spyder5 seems to do gamma very well.

If I do gamma with the spyder5 with autocal and then measure it with i1D3 trained to i1 pro 2, it shows that the spyder5 did well with the gamma. No point in 20 point scale was more than 0.02 off 2.2 (2.18-2.22)

And then for color cal with autocal I just have to trust the i1 pro 2 directly, but it should be an accurate enough reference IMO.
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I'm not saying your measurements are wrong, but your measurements were the only ones I've ever seen get anywhere near spec on the NX9. Your dynamic measurements, if I remember right, were closer to 800K:1 vs everyone else around 225K:1.
It is my understanding that that was with respect to the launch firmware, wherein I measured pretty much the same, circa 750K:1, then JVC made changes to fix the malfunctioning DI and the measurement dropped to circa 225 - 250K:1 [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

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I have to say here that if you buy a rs3000/Nx9
And the contrast was 50000:1 on it it will go directly back to the seller.

My Nx9 measure around the same as above.
Fully closed some over 100000:1 in low lamp.
High lamp around 130000:1

Measured into the lens. So accurate.

Fully open 24000:1 in low and 27000:1 in high lamp mode.

Calibrated to 16FL in my cinema around native 80000:1
Ansi contrast average in all 12 fields 250:1
Yes, but I think it's fair to say what you have there is a golden sample. That is NOT representative of the performance of the typical unit. Can I steal your unit please? [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG] [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG] [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif[/IMG]

Personally, I have measured 85,000 - 100,000:1 peak native ON/OFF contrast with respect to the JVC RS3000/NX9

However, some units have had much worse internal reflections and light scatter within the optical block which have hammered contrast performance as well as increasing artefacts such as streaking / clouding / blooming. These measured lower than this.

Kris' measurements are accurate with respect to the performance of that unit [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

I have a brand new unit with latest firmware here that I will be using for my in-depth evaluation so it will be interesting to see what this measures

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Yours have minor minor drop hehe.
Some more form 1000K:1 dropped to 150K:1 hehe.

If my measurement was 50K:1 native fully closed iris yes, I would cancel the buy.

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Okay, but does it still need a one hour warm up with the filter color profiles?
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I'd still buy an RS4500 again today. I didn't see anything at Cedia that looked better. Although the RS3000 was a close 2nd. And the VW5000's looked better to me this year than last year, but they are too expensive and overkill for my screen.


Why would you chose RS4500 again over RS3000?
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Okay, but does it still need a one hour warm-up with the filter color profiles?
Yes, here you see a calibrated D65 Rec 709 profile User 1 Light output 16Fl, 2,4 gamma Iris -13 lamp high. Minimum throw 110-inch screen.
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In this thread I will be evaluating and comparing the following incrementally over an extended period of time:

• SONY 295/270ES
• SONY 695/570ES
• SONY 885/760ES
• SONY 995/870ES
• SONY 5000ES

• JVC RS540/X7900
• JVC RS1000/NX5/N5
• JVC RS2000/NX7/N7
• JVC RS3000/NX9
• JVC RS4500/Z1


I just want to make a suggestion. Arrow if you could make links in the title on the particular projectors where the review or stats begin. I'm trying to read on the NX9, I cant find where it begins. I'm not normally on the PC most reading through my Phone a work cough*. I end up losing my place while trying to read through. Just though it would help organize the discussion a little bit. Thanks

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Why would you chose RS4500 again over RS3000?
I realize this wasn't directed at me, but:

  • Higher light output
  • Laser light engine (vs lamp)
  • Dynamic laser dimming (there are some advantages vs dynamic iris, such as response time)
  • Better lens and optics (the combination of both is better even though the lenses are essentially the same)
  • Better uniformity
  • Less streaking / smearing / ghosting / blooming
  • No bright corners
  • Higher 10%+ ADL contrast performance
  • Full fade to black

To name a few...

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Why would you chose RS4500 again over RS3000?
Laser and laser dimming. I'm done with lamps. I wanted a 4K projector I could just watch like a TV without worrying about lamp strikes. I have that. Also I like the industrial build quality.
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